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[Bill Watson]

Eric, I understand what you're saying but I don't see the 5 mpg step change up and down in my economy on April 1 and October 1 when the fuel changes. I've seen an annual "sine wave" in fuel economy all the way back into 1983 when I started keeping good records on my previous bike, and that's over a decade before we started changing summer and winter gas. I'm sure your 'gas point' is a real issue, it's just that it might be more like 1 mpg or 2, and the rest seems to be the items that come with summer: shorter warm-ups, higher operating temps and less wind drag from lower density air. Bill Watson

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, Bill Watson wrote: >>> Living where it's warm probably doesn't hurt the mileage >>> either. > >> Doesn't help it either. > Well, I guess we'll have to disagree on that, my mileage always improves > and falls with Summer and Winter riding, about 5 mpg. That's because Phoenix gas changes between summer and winter. Winter uses alcohol as the oxygenator, summer gas uses MBTE due to the volatility of alcohol in high temperatures. 10% ethanol (winter gas) vs. 2% MBTE (summer gas) means that the summer gas has around 5% more energy per gallon. -E __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Svantwuyver]

>>> Living where it's warm probably doesn't hurt the

mileage either. Doesn't help it either.

> Well, I guess we'll have to disagree on that, my

mileage always improves and falls with Summer and Winter riding, about 5 mpg. ========== That's because Phoenix gas changes between summer and winter. Winter uses alcohol as the oxygenator, summer gas uses MBTE due to the volatility of alcohol in high temperatures. 10% ethanol (winter gas) vs. 2% MBTE (summer gas) means that the summer gas has around 5% more energy per gallon. -E ============= I seriously doubt that Arizona still allows MTBE or that refineries would even offer it. 22 states have banned MTBE and refineries are asking Congress for immunity from the thousands of MTBE lawsuits. A gallon of MTBE treated gasoline will contaminate a million gallons of drinking water. -svt- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

[Eric L. Green]

On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Svantwuyver wrote:

> I seriously doubt that Arizona still allows MTBE or > that refineries would even offer it. 22 states have

You're right. A quick Google shows that Arizona banned it last May. The EPA has also approved no oxygenate in the summer for Arizona, i.e., Arizona now gets "real" gasoline in the summer. Alcohol is not appropriate for use in Arizona gasoline during the summer because of volatility issues at high temperatures. So this means that Arizona summer gas has around 5% more energy than Arizona winter gas, and appropriately better mpg. Given that the jetting on the KLR is set up for "real" gasoline, the increase in MPG could be even higher. _E

[klr6501995]

could cold denser air make the mixture leaner vs hot air making the mixture richer? --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Eric L. Green" wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, Bill Watson wrote: > >>> Living where it's warm probably doesn't hurt the mileage > >>> either. > > > >> Doesn't help it either. > > > Well, I guess we'll have to disagree on that, my mileage always

improves

> > and falls with Summer and Winter riding, about 5 mpg. > > That's because Phoenix gas changes between summer and winter.

Winter uses

> alcohol as the oxygenator, summer gas uses MBTE due to the

volatility of

> alcohol in high temperatures. 10% ethanol (winter gas) vs. 2% MBTE

(summer

> gas) means that the summer gas has around 5% more energy per gallon. > > -E

[Fred Hink]

I just posted a photo and there was no problem for me. You have to sign in with your username and password first. There are no restrictions other than we only have 30Mb and when that gets full, I have to do more house cleaning. So keep your photos small as possible and they will stay up longer. Fred

----- Original Message ----- From: To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Can't post pictures to DSN? > > Trust me ya wanna see the pics from my last ride, > anyone know why we cant post pics right now? Fred? I > noticed ya culled the herd a bit? Are there now restrictions?