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[scott quillen]

I'm well aware of the deer over-population issue...I just don't stand by the opinion that because a rider hits one that we ought to go on a deer-slaughter rampage by "issuing bounty" on them or "killin' em ALL" as others have suggested. A litle common sense here would go a LONG way... Regards, Scott --- Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 07:16:07AM -0700, scott > quillen wrote: > > > > How many species have been driven to > near-extinction > > or total extinction by man??? You might think > that's > > OK, but I do not! > > > > Do we wipe out ALL deer to eliminate the > possibility > > of a deer/rider collision? I don't think so... > > You do understand that deer overpopulation is > creating a major > ecological disaster in much of the Northeastern > United States, > right? > > The number of white-tail deer currently living in > New York State, > for example, is a large multiple of what it was in > 1700. But even > in a state whose northern quarter is taken up by a > giant park, > there is not enough uninterrupted wilderness to > sustain most of > the major predators that might naturally control the > deer population, > and thanks to "Bambi" and its touchy-feely ilk, plus > the discovery > of chronic wasting disease in deer, the number of > hunting licenses > and the number of hunter's kills is a tiny fraction > of what it was > even 25 years ago. > > The deer have no predators, we don't control their > population > effectively, they have and are ravaging our > remaining wild areas > by eating everything in sight and starving other > species into > near extinction (not to mention that when they run > out of > undergrowth to ravage, they eat the bark from young > trees instead > and kill them). Deer are not helpless fuzzy sweet > creatures that > we might "drive into extinction" -- they are a > nuisance species > whose population is totally out of control through > our own fault, > and in fact they threaten many other species of > plants and animals > with extinction. > > Not to mention motorcycle riders. A deer population > that were > actually under control would pose that much less > springtime > risk (obligatory KLR content ). > > Please think about that next time you're about to go > on about > how killing the sweet fuzzy deer might DRIVE THEM TO > EXTINCTION! > > Thor >

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[Rob Mosloski]

Maybe some of us are taking this much too seriously on both sides of the debate. Nobody actually wants them to be driven to extinction. For example, I don't want all deer to be killed - only the ones where I ride, or my family and friends drive or ride. But, I want them all over my hunting land so that me and my friends can shoot and eat the tasty vermin that do not have CWD. Sorry I could not resist! I find it funny how some people have more sympathy and respect for a pretty or majestic animal than for their fellow man. (Scott did not say this) And what about the ugly, nasty, scary animals and creepy crawly bugs that do not benefit from popular support? For example, the poor mosquito - unofficial Minnesota mascot - and the bats that feast on the poor misunderstood mosquito. Where is the love - especially for those low on the food chain and us at the top! Their are so many deer that they often starve to death when the population is not brought under some control. People attempt to feed them through the winter just so that the population can be inevitably brought under control by disease or hunting. The DNR must conduct regular, but little known deer culling in the larger metro area park and reserve land to try and establish some control of the population. People often protest to keep the deer so that they can starve, collide with vehicles of all types, and die of disease. That's one of the reasons why they have laws to prevent people from interfering with licensed hunting...well that and to help ensure the protesters do not get any extra lead in their diet from the loose cannons in the woods that also tend to ruin things for all hunters. Common sense may result in some people trying to further protect the deer population (or taking offense at off the cuff comments), but a review of the facts brings me to the conclusion that the deer population is are a real and constant danger for the deer and motorists. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, scott quillen wrote:

> I'm well aware of the deer over-population issue...I > just don't stand by the opinion that because a rider > hits one that we ought to go on a deer-slaughter > rampage by "issuing bounty" on them or "killin' em > ALL" as others have suggested. > > A litle common sense here would go a LONG way... > > Regards, > Scott > > --- Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 07:16:07AM -0700, scott > > quillen wrote: > > > > > > How many species have been driven to > > near-extinction > > > or total extinction by man??? You might think > > that's > > > OK, but I do not! > > > > > > Do we wipe out ALL deer to eliminate the > > possibility > > > of a deer/rider collision? I don't think so... > > > > You do understand that deer overpopulation is > > creating a major > > ecological disaster in much of the Northeastern > > United States, > > right? > > > > The number of white-tail deer currently living in > > New York State, > > for example, is a large multiple of what it was in > > 1700. But even > > in a state whose northern quarter is taken up by a > > giant park, > > there is not enough uninterrupted wilderness to > > sustain most of > > the major predators that might naturally control the > > deer population, > > and thanks to "Bambi" and its touchy-feely ilk, plus > > the discovery > > of chronic wasting disease in deer, the number of > > hunting licenses > > and the number of hunter's kills is a tiny fraction > > of what it was > > even 25 years ago. > > > > The deer have no predators, we don't control their > > population > > effectively, they have and are ravaging our > > remaining wild areas > > by eating everything in sight and starving other > > species into > > near extinction (not to mention that when they run > > out of > > undergrowth to ravage, they eat the bark from young > > trees instead > > and kill them). Deer are not helpless fuzzy sweet > > creatures that > > we might "drive into extinction" -- they are a > > nuisance species > > whose population is totally out of control through > > our own fault, > > and in fact they threaten many other species of > > plants and animals > > with extinction. > > > > Not to mention motorcycle riders. A deer population > > that were > > actually under control would pose that much less > > springtime > > risk (obligatory KLR content ). > > > > Please think about that next time you're about to go > > on about > > how killing the sweet fuzzy deer might DRIVE THEM TO > > EXTINCTION! > > > > Thor > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com

[Harry Myhre]

Oddest deer story I ever heard was told to me during the MSF course I took a few years back. Instructor said that there have been several cases of east coast deers that run alongside motorcyclists, and then out of the blue, the deer cuts in the path of the 2wheeler....

> -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pat Schmid > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 8:03 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: SPLAT! Hit a deer and my Tengai > ain't pretty no mo' > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Saltzer" > wrote: > > Way to go on the "luck" factor there Mark! Glad to hear > that you can > > in fact plow a deer and keep going. > > > > Very, very lucky. A very good friend of mine at work hit a > deer a few years back. She was cruising along at 55 going > around Mono Lake on 395 and the deer jumped from the willows. > One of the hooves struck her, cutting trhough her chaps, > leaving a wound that took 16 stiches to close and the torso > caught her upper body, beaking a couple of ribs and sweeping > her off the bike breaking her ankle. Her Vulcan 1500 was totaled. > > Pat > G'ville, NV > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[Harry Myhre]

I first took my cairn terrier for a ride when she was about six months old. I started out with slow, short rides around the block. Thinking like that she wouldn't be scared. She picked up on motorcycle riding right away. I think she learned that Go for a ride Means Go to the park and play with other dogs She rode with me from los angeles area up to San Simeon once. As I was loading up my bike, I put her travelin' bag on the garage floor. Next thing I knew, I looked down and there she was in the travelin' bag lookin' out at me as if to say "what's takin' you so long??" --- Harry Myhre - A19 Stevenson Ranch, California

> -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BLBacon > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 2:30 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Digest Number 6370 > > I have two cairn terriers, but I can't get them to ride with > me. They are more the bark and chase kind. > > Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 12:13:18 -0700 > From: "Harry Myhre" > Subject: RE: Low cost carry box > > I have a similar story. > My cairn terrier likes to go riding with me on my KLR. > I strap her "sherpa bag" (looks like a duffel bag with > netting so the dog can get fresh air and look around) to the > rear rack. > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >