to each his own. - lube

[Baron Tynan]

Greetings, Just got back from a trip that involved lots of locked forestry service gates and three very unhappy riders which brings up the poll question: To pass or not to pass?? Bonsall Baron

[Arden Kysely]

Where were you? Would a map check or a phone call to USFS have made your trip more pleasant? There are a lot of locked gates in our backcountry and I know from mountain biking many of the same roads that I ride with my KLR that rangers can be found on both sides of the gates. Since I would like to continue riding in my own back yard, I respect the gates. One way to get around them is to do some volunteer work for the Forest Service. Last month two buddies and I were able to ride roads that are normally off limits because we were doing some recon work for the rangers. __Arden --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Baron Tynan" wrote:

> Greetings, > > Just got back from a trip that involved lots of locked forestry > service gates and three very unhappy riders which brings up the poll > question: To pass or not to pass?? > > Bonsall Baron

[Matt Smith]

There are no gates on the roads to adventure, exploration and discovery I'm not a big fan of locked gates ... especially when tagged federally ... unless there is a safety warning a federal forestry service gate is not going to stop me and damned str8 I'll hoot and hollar if they try to ticket/fine me for being there or even arrest me. *shakes fist* I look at myself as a rider who respects his environment and those around him, but I don't believe it is anyones right to prevent me from crossing land just because it is land I happen to live in a rural community and yes I've had farmers come up to me and ask me what I'm doin on thier land and I reply ... passing through ... and generally they are fine. When it comes to crown land (the same thing as federal land up here) I don't give a shit ... i consider it my land and its no ones right to tell me otherwise ... Just ride with respect and no one should ultimately care, unless they are an a$$hole, and in that case they deserve to have us all ride throught he federal land. Did anyone stop Lewis and Clark with a gate?

On 5/17/05, Arden Kysely wrote: > Where were you? Would a map check or a phone call to USFS have made > your trip more pleasant? There are a lot of locked gates in our > backcountry and I know from mountain biking many of the same roads > that I ride with my KLR that rangers can be found on both sides of the > gates. Since I would like to continue riding in my own back yard, I > respect the gates. One way to get around them is to do some volunteer > work for the Forest Service. Last month two buddies and I were able to > ride roads that are normally off limits because we were doing some > recon work for the rangers. > > __Arden > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Baron Tynan" > wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > Just got back from a trip that involved lots of locked forestry > > service gates and three very unhappy riders which brings up the poll > > question: To pass or not to pass?? > > > > Bonsall Baron > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

[Arden Kysely]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Matt Smith wrote:

> > snip... > damned str8 I'll hoot and hollar if they > try to ticket/fine me for being there or even arrest me.

I'm sure they'll be impressed

> > I look at myself as a rider who respects his environment and those > around him, but I don't believe it is anyones right to prevent me

from crossing land just because it is land Sounds like you respect the environment, just not the law.

> Did anyone stop Lewis and Clark with a gate?

No, but the settlers they surveyed the land for certainly put up plenty of them. __Arden

[matteeanne@yahoo.com]

I respect the gates, I respect the badge, I respect the fine. I'd never go onto private property if I knew it was private, as I want no one tresspassing on my land as well. This controversy came up on the Puget Sound DSNKLR list. On Bainbridge Island Washington, there is a "Moto Track", no signs, no gates. People 4wheel there, dirt bike, and dump garbage. I've been told it is private property, and the cops will stop you, but as far as I am concerned, if there is no sign/gate/barrier, I go for it. No, I would never dump garbage, but have been known to get some air on the klr on the whoops. Locked gates are rarely a problem here in WA. If one is locked, there are a thousand others that are not. Likely when they are locked here it is due to the fact youll die if you try it (logging trucks, washouts, avalanche, landslides.) In America, we have "private property rights", one of the greatest aspects of freedom. I respect that wholly, but if there is no sign, I think it's ok to assume it's ok. Of course this can get you in trouble too........... --- Matt Smith wrote:

> There are no gates on the roads to adventure, > exploration and discovery > > > I'm not a big fan of locked gates ... especially > when tagged federally > ... unless there is a safety warning a federal > forestry service gate > is not going to stop me and damned str8 I'll hoot > and hollar if they > try to ticket/fine me for being there or even arrest > me. > > *shakes fist* > > I look at myself as a rider who respects his > environment and those > around him, but I don't believe it is anyones right > to prevent me from > crossing land just because it is land > > I happen to live in a rural community and yes I've > had farmers come up > to me and ask me what I'm doin on thier land and I > reply ... passing > through ... and generally they are fine. When it > comes to crown land > (the same thing as federal land up here) I don't > give a shit ... i > consider it my land and its no ones right to tell me > otherwise ... > > Just ride with respect and no one should ultimately > care, unless they > are an a$$hole, and in that case they deserve to > have us all ride > throught he federal land. > > Did anyone stop Lewis and Clark with a gate? > > > On 5/17/05, Arden Kysely > wrote: > > Where were you? Would a map check or a phone call > to USFS have made > > your trip more pleasant? There are a lot of locked > gates in our > > backcountry and I know from mountain biking many > of the same roads > > that I ride with my KLR that rangers can be found > on both sides of the > > gates. Since I would like to continue riding in my > own back yard, I > > respect the gates. One way to get around them is > to do some volunteer > > work for the Forest Service. Last month two > buddies and I were able to > > ride roads that are normally off limits because we > were doing some > > recon work for the rangers. > > > > __Arden > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Baron Tynan" > > > wrote: > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Just got back from a trip that involved lots of > locked forestry > > > service gates and three very unhappy riders > which brings up the poll > > > question: To pass or not to pass?? > > > > > > Bonsall Baron > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: >

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[Rick McCauley]

Riding with respect includes obeying the law. Like it or not. As far as riding across a farmer's field goes, I would be upset if you rode across my land too. It is his property and he pays taxes and insurance on it. You would be offended if they told you to stay off, but they run the risk of being sued because you disrespect their ownership. Again, like it or not, tresspassing is tresspassing. In a lot of places we bikers have a bad rep. Let's not make it worse Rick A17 Matt Smith wrote: There are no gates on the roads to adventure, exploration and discovery I'm not a big fan of locked gates ... especially when tagged federally ... unless there is a safety warning a federal forestry service gate is not going to stop me and damned str8 I'll hoot and hollar if they try to ticket/fine me for being there or even arrest me. *shakes fist* I look at myself as a rider who respects his environment and those around him, but I don't believe it is anyones right to prevent me from crossing land just because it is land I happen to live in a rural community and yes I've had farmers come up to me and ask me what I'm doin on thier land and I reply ... passing through ... and generally they are fine. When it comes to crown land (the same thing as federal land up here) I don't give a shit ... i consider it my land and its no ones right to tell me otherwise ... Just ride with respect and no one should ultimately care, unless they are an a$$hole, and in that case they deserve to have us all ride throught he federal land. Did anyone stop Lewis and Clark with a gate?

On 5/17/05, Arden Kysely wrote: > Where were you? Would a map check or a phone call to USFS have made > your trip more pleasant? There are a lot of locked gates in our > backcountry and I know from mountain biking many of the same roads > that I ride with my KLR that rangers can be found on both sides of the > gates. Since I would like to continue riding in my own back yard, I > respect the gates. One way to get around them is to do some volunteer > work for the Forest Service. Last month two buddies and I were able to > ride roads that are normally off limits because we were doing some > recon work for the rangers. > > __Arden > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Baron Tynan" > wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > Just got back from a trip that involved lots of locked forestry > > service gates and three very unhappy riders which brings up the poll > > question: To pass or not to pass?? > > > > Bonsall Baron > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[sergio de oliveira]

Tresspassing a private it's one thing, but when I pay taxes to maintain federal forestry & I may not use it, that do pisse me off. Sergio. Rick McCauley wrote: Riding with respect includes obeying the law. Like it or not. As far as riding across a farmer's field goes, I would be upset if you rode across my land too. It is his property and he pays taxes and insurance on it. You would be offended if they told you to stay off, but they run the risk of being sued because you disrespect their ownership. Again, like it or not, tresspassing is tresspassing. In a lot of places we bikers have a bad rep. Let's not make it worse Rick A17 Matt Smith wrote: There are no gates on the roads to adventure, exploration and discovery I'm not a big fan of locked gates ... especially when tagged federally ... unless there is a safety warning a federal forestry service gate is not going to stop me and damned str8 I'll hoot and hollar if they try to ticket/fine me for being there or even arrest me. *shakes fist* I look at myself as a rider who respects his environment and those around him, but I don't believe it is anyones right to prevent me from crossing land just because it is land I happen to live in a rural community and yes I've had farmers come up to me and ask me what I'm doin on thier land and I reply ... passing through ... and generally they are fine. When it comes to crown land (the same thing as federal land up here) I don't give a shit ... i consider it my land and its no ones right to tell me otherwise ... Just ride with respect and no one should ultimately care, unless they are an a$$hole, and in that case they deserve to have us all ride throught he federal land. Did anyone stop Lewis and Clark with a gate?

On 5/17/05, Arden Kysely wrote: > Where were you? Would a map check or a phone call to USFS have made > your trip more pleasant? There are a lot of locked gates in our > backcountry and I know from mountain biking many of the same roads > that I ride with my KLR that rangers can be found on both sides of the > gates. Since I would like to continue riding in my own back yard, I > respect the gates. One way to get around them is to do some volunteer > work for the Forest Service. Last month two buddies and I were able to > ride roads that are normally off limits because we were doing some > recon work for the rangers. > > __Arden > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Baron Tynan" > wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > Just got back from a trip that involved lots of locked forestry > > service gates and three very unhappy riders which brings up the poll > > question: To pass or not to pass?? > > > > Bonsall Baron > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Spot ON]

Nicely said Matt. I've always understood Federal or BLM land as public, and have gone through many marked gates, even in the People's Republic of California. Conforming and abiding by the law is not the American way. That and I don't like to be told what to do. I usually stay off private land because I don't like getting shot at. Erik in San Diego --- Matt Smith wrote:

> There are no gates on the roads to adventure, > exploration and discovery > > > I'm not a big fan of locked gates ... especially > when tagged federally > ... unless there is a safety warning a federal > forestry service gate > is not going to stop me and damned str8 I'll hoot > and hollar if they > try to ticket/fine me for being there or even arrest > me. > > *shakes fist*

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[mikesupon]

Here in NW Pa, there is a great deal of national forest land, even more state game lands, and a large amount of private land (usually owned by timber companies and/or gas/oil companies). There are a surprising number of semi-maintained or non-maintained roads that are "open to licensed vehicles". I have quite a bit of fun on these roads, but the real "juicy" areas are all gated..."closed to all motor vehicles". I have to say I 100% respect these gated roads, period. It's the law, and I respect the laws. I'm also a hiker and mountain biker, and looking at it from that perspective, I can tell you that I've been annoyed countless times by those who do not respect the gates. Just my perspective, since you asked. Mike A18 --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Baron Tynan" wrote:

> Greetings, > > Just got back from a trip that involved lots of locked forestry > service gates and three very unhappy riders which brings up the poll > question: To pass or not to pass?? > > Bonsall Baron

[dooden]

Just a gate go around.. Reckon that depends on alot however, who's land, is the gate shut because the road is unsafe for car traffic, perhaps there is a boat launch that requires the gate closed when not in use. Did it say Keep Out or something like that ? Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Baron Tynan" wrote: > Greetings, > > Just got back from a trip that involved lots of locked forestry > service gates and three very unhappy riders which brings up the poll > question: To pass or not to pass?? > > Bonsall Baron