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[don cain]

OMG!! You've got to be kidding........

On 5/11/05, CA Stu wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Randall Marbach > wrote: > > > > > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/news_columnists/article/0,1299, > DRMN_86_3768197,00.html> > > > > Who says we can't get too liberal in the USA. Looks > > like Denver is running their own version of "The Final > > Solution". It starts with Pit Bulls, but where will > > it end? Your Dobermans? guns? motorcycles? jews? gays? > > This kind of thing should not be allowed to happen in > > this country. > > > > > > Randy from Burbank > > > > > > I will be glad to fly up there and shoot a couple of those useless > vicious beasts myself. > > Repeat after me "Dogs are not people". > > And remember, dogs don't kill people, lawyers keeping Aryan Nation > White Supremacist trained attack dogs in an apartment building in San > Francisco kill people. > > Thanks > CA Stu > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > -- --My greatest fear in life is not death, but waking up one morning ordinary and predictable.

[don cain]

Hmmm, Replace 'pit bull' with 'gun.' and you have the same argument for getting rid of all guns also.... However, your argument is borderline retarded. If there were no GUNS, no one would be attacked and maimed by these WORTHLESS ITEMS. Just because one person is a good GUN owner doesn't excuse the majority of GUN owners, who are for the most part, a-holes. Around here, it's pretty much guaranteed that if on one end of a BARREL is a SATURDAY NIGHT SPECIAL, on the other is eaither a gang banger, a meth dealer, or a white supremacist. They are the GUN of choice for the armpit of society. Sure go ahead and blame an animal for the short comings of an owner. -don

On 5/12/05, Stuart Mumford wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > My point is that you are willing to dictate laws for the rest of us > because of your beliefs. > > Society is defined by people accepting the rule of law. Laws are created adn > enforced by men, and in the USA, as a democracy, the public gets to > determine which laws to enact and enforce. > > If it was a dictatorship, one individual could do that. > As a democracy, each citizen has a civic duty to make his opinion known. > I made my opinion known, didn't dictate a doggone thing. > > >But back to business. Let's consider two scenarios: > > >Denver: An unsupervised child wanders near a chained pit bull in the > neighborhood and is tragically maimed. > >Result: All pit bulls must be rounded up and put down. > >Newspaper headline: Vicious dog maims child > >What the headline should have been: Parental negligence causes child > maiming > > Agreed, with a sub headline, "Another Pit Bull dog attack maims another > victim: Will the violence ever end?" > > >Rural USA: A cougar wanders into a rural community and kills a child. I > debate whether to shoot it because of state and > >federal laws. > > There should be no debate there, this is a ludicrous argument. > > >Result1: I shoot the cat to prevent the possibility that it might hurt > another child, and get to (for sure) spend $10k to > >defend myself in court and (probably) do time in the slam. > > "Your honor, Mr. Carlson saved a child form a wild animal, we should > imprison him!" > > Pure BS > > >Result2: I don't shoot the cat and it kills my neighbor's child. I get to > explain to him why I didn't kill the cat when I > >had the chance. > >Result1 headline: Man convicted of violating wildlife protection act. > > You seem awful concerned with headlines. WHat does that have to do with > anything? Th emedia is a business, adn "If it bleeds, it leads". Headlines > are sensationalism and marketing thinly veiled in the guise of "Journalism", > for the most part. > > >So tell me, Mr. All Knowing and Policy Making Pulpit of Knowledge, where is > the consistency in these two scenarios? > > You're obsessed with headlines and can't make a rational argument? > > However, thanks for the title. > > >Don't like scenarios? Aggravated assault in 13 Denver neighborhoods was up > 10%+ in 2003 (Google is your friend). Sex assault >was up 10%+ in 8 > neighborhoods. Homicide up 50%+ in 9 neighborhoods (remember we can't blame > the guns, that's been > >established). And these meatheads feel like rounding up pit bulls is a good > use of resources. > > No one ever said the Denver government was prescient or sensible. > > >And you say I've made a stupid argument? Ok, let's close with a discussion > of pit bulls. I got a buddy who's had pit bulls > >for as long as I've know him (20+ years). They've all been shop dogs at his > bike shop. Plenty of foot traffic, zero > >injuries. The biggest danger is getting licked to death. So the statement > that; > > >Pit bulls were specifically bred to be vicious, aggressive fighting dogs. > >There is no place for them in today's society, they sould all be killed and > >made into catfood. > > >is false, ignorant, and stupid all rolled into one (congratulations). > > Thanks! > > However, your argument is borderline retarded. > If there were no Pit Bulls, no one would be attacked and maimed by these > vicious brutes. > Just because one person is a good dog owner doesn't excuse the majority of > Pit Bull owners, who are for the most part, a-holes. > Around here, it's pretty much guaranteed that if on one end of a leash is a > Pit, on the other is eaither a gang banger, a meth dealer, or a white > supremacist. They are the dog of choice for the armpit of society. > > >On the other hand, cat hairballs in the street are disgusting. There is no > place for cats in today's society, they should > >all be killed and made into, errr, catfood. My dog loves catfood. > > Your dog is as smart as his owner. > > Thanks > CA Stu > > PS My dog was a Red Doberman, and like you, I got him form a shelter, and > like yours, his previous owners had abused him. Also, he survived Canine > Distemper, I slept with him on my lap for at least one night. Now I'm > getting all misty eyed. > > PPS He did bite a guy once (who really deserved it). > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > -- --My greatest fear in life is not death, but waking up one morning ordinary and predictable.

[Eric L. Green]

On Thu, 12 May 2005, don cain wrote:

> Hmmm, > Replace 'pit bull' with 'gun.' and you have the same argument for > getting rid of all guns also....

Except guns don't have brains, and can't kill anybody unless a man is pulling the trigger. Whereas a pit bull has a brain, and if it decides that something is prey, can kill that something without intervention of a human. Remember, guns don't kill people. People kill people. A gun doesn't pull its own trigger. A pit bull does. -E

[don cain]

Sorry, The base argument is 'Pit bulls cause death - get rid of Pitbulls' vs. 'Guns cause death - get rid of guns.' Same thing, less pitbulls - less innocent death = less guns - less innocent death..... Who cares if the killing device can think or not - it causes death...... -don

On 5/12/05, Eric L. Green wrote: > On Thu, 12 May 2005, don cain wrote: > > Hmmm, > > Replace 'pit bull' with 'gun.' and you have the same argument for > > getting rid of all guns also.... > > Except guns don't have brains, and can't kill anybody unless a man is > pulling the trigger. Whereas a pit bull has a brain, and if it decides > that something is prey, can kill that something without intervention of a > human. > > Remember, guns don't kill people. People kill people. A gun doesn't pull > its own trigger. A pit bull does. > > -E > > -- --My greatest fear in life is not death, but waking up one morning ordinary and predictable.

[don cain]

Some interesting reading on Actual Pit Bull Stats for those of you that can read...... -d

On 5/12/05, reddogguy1 wrote: > Hey Fuck the Pitt Bull thing already! I have a German Shepard that has > his own yard & big cemented kennel. I would no more let my kids w/ it > as I would a loaded shot gun. My dog is gaurd 2 certified, trained to > the hilt, & gentle as can be. It is fucking dumb as hell to trust > anyone other than the owner of that "one owner" POS to be near it. They > are bred for 1 purpose, and it is not to be a loving house pet. Pitt > Bulls have nothing to do w/ dual sporting anyway. Oh and they are all > POS. > > later, > > thad > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > -- --My greatest fear in life is not death, but waking up one morning ordinary and predictable.

[Harry Seifert]

Gee, that makes me, Elden Carl, Mike Cowlishaw, my wife, my secretary and my secretary's husband a bunch of a-holes, huh? Let's see, a retired fire chief, two competition shooters, both nationally ranked, a San Diego County Code enforcement officer, my lovely secretary who qualifies every six mo's with the SD Sheriff's Office for her CCW and a Sergeant with the San Diego County Sheriff's Office. I guess we're a bunch of a-holes. Do me a big favor and stay away from Julian or San Diego County. Hey, maybe you can go out on a date with Hillary!! And don't forget, my two Dalmatians are much more prone to bite than Pit Bulls.....just ask your local veterinarian. I am a firm believer in gun control....make sure you center ring what you're shooting at. Not like the LA County Sheriff's Office. Harry Seifert bseifert71@...

> [Original Message] > From: don cain > To: Stuart Mumford > Cc: jay carlson ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 5/12/2005 2:11:49 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] RE: Re: Re: NKLR Denver Seizing and Killing

your Pit Bulls

> > Hmmm, > Replace 'pit bull' with 'gun.' and you have the same argument for > getting rid of all guns also.... > > However, your argument is borderline retarded. > If there were no GUNS, no one would be attacked and maimed by these > WORTHLESS ITEMS. > Just because one person is a good GUN owner doesn't excuse the majority of > GUN owners, who are for the most part, a-holes. > Around here, it's pretty much guaranteed that if on one end of a BARREL

is a

> SATURDAY NIGHT SPECIAL, on the other is eaither a gang banger, a meth > dealer, or a white > supremacist. They are the GUN of choice for the armpit of society. > > Sure go ahead and blame an animal for the short comings of an owner. > > -don > > On 5/12/05, Stuart Mumford wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > > My point is that you are willing to dictate laws for the rest of us > > because of your beliefs. > > > > Society is defined by people accepting the rule of law. Laws are

created adn

> > enforced by men, and in the USA, as a democracy, the public gets to > > determine which laws to enact and enforce. > > > > If it was a dictatorship, one individual could do that. > > As a democracy, each citizen has a civic duty to make his opinion known. > > I made my opinion known, didn't dictate a doggone thing. > > > > >But back to business. Let's consider two scenarios: > > > > >Denver: An unsupervised child wanders near a chained pit bull in the > > neighborhood and is tragically maimed. > > >Result: All pit bulls must be rounded up and put down. > > >Newspaper headline: Vicious dog maims child > > >What the headline should have been: Parental negligence causes child > > maiming > > > > Agreed, with a sub headline, "Another Pit Bull dog attack maims another > > victim: Will the violence ever end?" > > > > >Rural USA: A cougar wanders into a rural community and kills a child. I > > debate whether to shoot it because of state and > > >federal laws. > > > > There should be no debate there, this is a ludicrous argument. > > > > >Result1: I shoot the cat to prevent the possibility that it might hurt > > another child, and get to (for sure) spend $10k to > > >defend myself in court and (probably) do time in the slam. > > > > "Your honor, Mr. Carlson saved a child form a wild animal, we should > > imprison him!" > > > > Pure BS > > > > >Result2: I don't shoot the cat and it kills my neighbor's child. I get

to

> > explain to him why I didn't kill the cat when I > > >had the chance. > > >Result1 headline: Man convicted of violating wildlife protection act. > > > > You seem awful concerned with headlines. WHat does that have to do with > > anything? Th emedia is a business, adn "If it bleeds, it leads".

Headlines

> > are sensationalism and marketing thinly veiled in the guise of

"Journalism",

> > for the most part. > > > > >So tell me, Mr. All Knowing and Policy Making Pulpit of Knowledge,

where is

> > the consistency in these two scenarios? > > > > You're obsessed with headlines and can't make a rational argument? > > > > However, thanks for the title. > > > > >Don't like scenarios? Aggravated assault in 13 Denver neighborhoods

was up

> > 10%+ in 2003 (Google is your friend). Sex assault >was up 10%+ in 8 > > neighborhoods. Homicide up 50%+ in 9 neighborhoods (remember we can't

blame

> > the guns, that's been > > >established). And these meatheads feel like rounding up pit bulls is a

good

> > use of resources. > > > > No one ever said the Denver government was prescient or sensible. > > > > >And you say I've made a stupid argument? Ok, let's close with a

discussion

> > of pit bulls. I got a buddy who's had pit bulls > > >for as long as I've know him (20+ years). They've all been shop dogs

at his

> > bike shop. Plenty of foot traffic, zero > > >injuries. The biggest danger is getting licked to death. So the

statement

> > that; > > > > >Pit bulls were specifically bred to be vicious, aggressive fighting

dogs.

> > >There is no place for them in today's society, they sould all be

killed and

> > >made into catfood. > > > > >is false, ignorant, and stupid all rolled into one (congratulations). > > > > Thanks! > > > > However, your argument is borderline retarded. > > If there were no Pit Bulls, no one would be attacked and maimed by these > > vicious brutes. > > Just because one person is a good dog owner doesn't excuse the majority

of

> > Pit Bull owners, who are for the most part, a-holes. > > Around here, it's pretty much guaranteed that if on one end of a leash

is a

> > Pit, on the other is eaither a gang banger, a meth dealer, or a white > > supremacist. They are the dog of choice for the armpit of society. > > > > >On the other hand, cat hairballs in the street are disgusting. There

is no

> > place for cats in today's society, they should > > >all be killed and made into, errr, catfood. My dog loves catfood. > > > > Your dog is as smart as his owner. > > > > Thanks > > CA Stu > > > > PS My dog was a Red Doberman, and like you, I got him form a shelter,

and

> > like yours, his previous owners had abused him. Also, he survived Canine > > Distemper, I slept with him on my lap for at least one night. Now I'm > > getting all misty eyed. > > > > PPS He did bite a guy once (who really deserved it). > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at:

http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html

> > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > --My greatest fear in life is not death, but waking up one morning > ordinary and predictable. > > > Archive Quicksearch at:

http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html

> List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[reddogguy1]

Sorry I posted incorrectly. I sent my reply directly to him & not the group. I will try to recreate. Yes you are correct you, Eldon, Mike, your wife, and your secy are complete a-holes. Hey chief let me ask you these questions: How many Pitt Bull's did you have on the force? Would you let your babies alone w/ them? How many trips to the old folks home do you make w/ them? Do you have to muzzle them at the vet? Do you think they are great w/ kids? Does your dog also competition shoot? You are in left field and in serious need of a reality check! Your occupation has nothing to do w/ dog behavior. I have a German Shepard that is gaurd 2 certified w/ my training alone. He has his own yard and a cement kennel. I would never let him alone w/ anyone. He is perfectly mannered, but a one owner dog. Pitt Bulls are bred to fight, not to be loving house pets you fucking dumbass. PS if I am in your area I will be sure to bring Elvis. Have a Nice Day, thad --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Seifert" wrote:

> Gee, that makes me, Elden Carl, Mike Cowlishaw, my wife, my

secretary and

> my secretary's husband a bunch of a-holes, huh? > > Let's see, a retired fire chief, two competition shooters, both

nationally

> ranked, a San Diego County Code enforcement officer, my lovely

secretary

> who qualifies every six mo's with the SD Sheriff's Office for her

CCW and a

> Sergeant with the San Diego County Sheriff's Office. I guess

we're a bunch

> of a-holes. Do me a big favor and stay away from Julian or San

Diego

> County. Hey, maybe you can go out on a date with Hillary!! > > And don't forget, my two Dalmatians are much more prone to bite

than Pit

> Bulls.....just ask your local veterinarian. > > I am a firm believer in gun control....make sure you center ring

what

> you're shooting at. Not like the LA County Sheriff's Office. > > Harry Seifert > bseifert71@m... > > > > [Original Message] > > From: don cain > > To: Stuart Mumford > > Cc: jay carlson ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > > Date: 5/12/2005 2:11:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] RE: Re: Re: NKLR Denver Seizing and

Killing

> your Pit Bulls > > > > Hmmm, > > Replace 'pit bull' with 'gun.' and you have the same argument for > > getting rid of all guns also.... > > > > However, your argument is borderline retarded. > > If there were no GUNS, no one would be attacked and maimed by

these

> > WORTHLESS ITEMS. > > Just because one person is a good GUN owner doesn't excuse the

majority of

> > GUN owners, who are for the most part, a-holes. > > Around here, it's pretty much guaranteed that if on one end of a

BARREL

> is a > > SATURDAY NIGHT SPECIAL, on the other is eaither a gang banger, a

meth

> > dealer, or a white > > supremacist. They are the GUN of choice for the armpit of

society.

> > > > Sure go ahead and blame an animal for the short comings of an

owner.

> > > > -don > > > > On 5/12/05, Stuart Mumford wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > My point is that you are willing to dictate laws for the

rest of us

> > > because of your beliefs. > > > > > > Society is defined by people accepting the rule of law. Laws

are

> created adn > > > enforced by men, and in the USA, as a democracy, the public

gets to

> > > determine which laws to enact and enforce. > > > > > > If it was a dictatorship, one individual could do that. > > > As a democracy, each citizen has a civic duty to make his

opinion known.

> > > I made my opinion known, didn't dictate a doggone thing. > > > > > > >But back to business. Let's consider two scenarios: > > > > > > >Denver: An unsupervised child wanders near a chained pit bull

in the

> > > neighborhood and is tragically maimed. > > > >Result: All pit bulls must be rounded up and put down. > > > >Newspaper headline: Vicious dog maims child > > > >What the headline should have been: Parental negligence

causes child

> > > maiming > > > > > > Agreed, with a sub headline, "Another Pit Bull dog attack

maims another

> > > victim: Will the violence ever end?" > > > > > > >Rural USA: A cougar wanders into a rural community and kills

a child. I

> > > debate whether to shoot it because of state and > > > >federal laws. > > > > > > There should be no debate there, this is a ludicrous argument. > > > > > > >Result1: I shoot the cat to prevent the possibility that it

might hurt

> > > another child, and get to (for sure) spend $10k to > > > >defend myself in court and (probably) do time in the slam. > > > > > > "Your honor, Mr. Carlson saved a child form a wild animal, we

should

> > > imprison him!" > > > > > > Pure BS > > > > > > >Result2: I don't shoot the cat and it kills my neighbor's

child. I get

> to > > > explain to him why I didn't kill the cat when I > > > >had the chance. > > > >Result1 headline: Man convicted of violating wildlife

protection act.

> > > > > > You seem awful concerned with headlines. WHat does that have

to do with

> > > anything? Th emedia is a business, adn "If it bleeds, it

leads".

> Headlines > > > are sensationalism and marketing thinly veiled in the guise of > "Journalism", > > > for the most part. > > > > > > >So tell me, Mr. All Knowing and Policy Making Pulpit of

Knowledge,

> where is > > > the consistency in these two scenarios? > > > > > > You're obsessed with headlines and can't make a rational

argument?

> > > > > > However, thanks for the title. > > > > > > >Don't like scenarios? Aggravated assault in 13 Denver

neighborhoods

> was up > > > 10%+ in 2003 (Google is your friend). Sex assault >was up 10%+

in 8

> > > neighborhoods. Homicide up 50%+ in 9 neighborhoods (remember

we can't

> blame > > > the guns, that's been > > > >established). And these meatheads feel like rounding up pit

bulls is a

> good > > > use of resources. > > > > > > No one ever said the Denver government was prescient or

sensible.

> > > > > > >And you say I've made a stupid argument? Ok, let's close with

a

> discussion > > > of pit bulls. I got a buddy who's had pit bulls > > > >for as long as I've know him (20+ years). They've all been

shop dogs

> at his > > > bike shop. Plenty of foot traffic, zero > > > >injuries. The biggest danger is getting licked to death. So

the

> statement > > > that; > > > > > > >Pit bulls were specifically bred to be vicious, aggressive

fighting

> dogs. > > > >There is no place for them in today's society, they sould all

be

> killed and > > > >made into catfood. > > > > > > >is false, ignorant, and stupid all rolled into one

(congratulations).

> > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > However, your argument is borderline retarded. > > > If there were no Pit Bulls, no one would be attacked and

maimed by these

> > > vicious brutes. > > > Just because one person is a good dog owner doesn't excuse the

majority

> of > > > Pit Bull owners, who are for the most part, a-holes. > > > Around here, it's pretty much guaranteed that if on one end of

a leash

> is a > > > Pit, on the other is eaither a gang banger, a meth dealer, or

a white

> > > supremacist. They are the dog of choice for the armpit of

society.

> > > > > > >On the other hand, cat hairballs in the street are

disgusting. There

> is no > > > place for cats in today's society, they should > > > >all be killed and made into, errr, catfood. My dog loves

catfood.

> > > > > > Your dog is as smart as his owner. > > > > > > Thanks > > > CA Stu > > > > > > PS My dog was a Red Doberman, and like you, I got him form a

shelter,

> and > > > like yours, his previous owners had abused him. Also, he

survived Canine

> > > Distemper, I slept with him on my lap for at least one night.

Now I'm

> > > getting all misty eyed. > > > > > > PPS He did bite a guy once (who really deserved it). > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at:

www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html

> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > --My greatest fear in life is not death, but waking up one

morning

> > ordinary and predictable. > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Eric L. Green]

On Thu, 12 May 2005, Harry Seifert wrote:

> And don't forget, my two Dalmatians are much more prone to bite than Pit > Bulls.....just ask your local veterinarian.

Which is why over 17% of all dogs involved in fatal attacks upon people are pit bulls, when they represent less than 2% of all dogs in America. Boston recently passed a law that all pit bulls out in public had to wear a muzzle. That probably is a better law than what Denver passed. But the fact remains that when the Humane Society has to put down 2/3rds of the pit bulls that come through their doors because their behavioral trainers believe said dog is a threat to human life, we aren't talking about a breed that's exactly harmless. Even the more honest admirers of the breed admit that this is not a dog to be taken lightly. If a pit bull was a gun, it would be a Colt 1911 .45 caliber pistol -- a big vicious beast of a gun with a helluva lot of kick, that not just anybody can handle. I can admire it as a work of art, but that doesn't mean I want to trust it in a situation where I need controllability. I acknowledge my limits there. If only the majority of pit bull owners were so honest with themselves. My mother's piddling dog is rather vicious too, but there's a big difference between a 5 pound piddling dog and a 50 pound dog bred for killing. Pure bite statistics do not properly represent the danger involved. Yes, my mother's piddling dog is more likely to bite you than a pit bull is -- but if the pit bull bites you, you will *HURT*. All that'll happen with my mother's piddling dog is that you kick it across the room and curse at the mess he made piddling on your pants leg. -E

[Kyle]

Jesus H. Chriminy! For once I agree with the Greenster! --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Eric L. Green" wrote:

> On Thu, 12 May 2005, don cain wrote: > > Hmmm, > > Replace 'pit bull' with 'gun.' and you have the same argument for > > getting rid of all guns also.... > > Except guns don't have brains, and can't kill anybody unless a man is > pulling the trigger. Whereas a pit bull has a brain, and if it decides > that something is prey, can kill that something without intervention

of a

> human. > > Remember, guns don't kill people. People kill people. A gun doesn't

pull

> its own trigger. A pit bull does. > > -E

[Kyle]

Apples and Oranges....can't possible, you can't seriously with hold that argument. What will you say when someone dies of food poising...car wreck...plane crash....do we need to go on. Catagoric condemnation of instruments of death is plainly impractical. This is the mindset of an ill-influenced 12year old liberal raised by lesbian hippies malnurished from lack of protiens.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, don cain wrote: > Sorry, > The base argument is 'Pit bulls cause death - get rid of Pitbulls' vs. > 'Guns cause death - get rid of guns.' Same thing, less pitbulls - > less innocent death = less guns - less innocent death..... Who cares > if the killing device can think or not - it causes death...... > > -don > > On 5/12/05, Eric L. Green wrote: > > On Thu, 12 May 2005, don cain wrote: > > > Hmmm, > > > Replace 'pit bull' with 'gun.' and you have the same argument for > > > getting rid of all guns also.... > > > > Except guns don't have brains, and can't kill anybody unless a man is > > pulling the trigger. Whereas a pit bull has a brain, and if it decides > > that something is prey, can kill that something without intervention of a > > human. > > > > Remember, guns don't kill people. People kill people. A gun doesn't pull > > its own trigger. A pit bull does. > > > > -E > > > > > > > -- > --My greatest fear in life is not death, but waking up one morning > ordinary and predictable.