travel on old bikes

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

At 5:41 AM -0700 4/28/05, scott quillen wrote:

>As for the resale value dropping, I agree - I think >it's due to a combination of the current "economic >slump" (if you will) and the fact that Harley's supply >is finally starting to catch up with the demand (could >be a result of the slowdown in sales due to what I >perceive as everyone being a little tight-fisted with >their financial resources these days), which makes the >used ones less desirable.

Add to that the hordes of pansies who, after riding nowhere for 2 years, decide to sell their chrome-laden hangar queens because they thought that buying an image would buy them a new lifestyle, but it turned out they just don't like riding period. Thus, flooding the market with used bikes. Mark

[Joseph Jones]

What is the "AMF" years? --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Lefebvre" wrote:

> I had a Harley during the AMF years - cured me for life. > > I have noticed that resale prices are starting to drop. I see a > consistent pattern in the Green Bay Press Gazette where of the 4

columns

> of bikes for sale, 3+ columns are Harleys. > > > Rob > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On

> Behalf Of Ron Criswell > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:24 AM > To: scottq60 > Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Whats the story with Harley's? NKLR

for

> sure...... > > I believe today's Harley's are pretty good mechanically. Most have

just

> too much metal for my taste other than the new Sportsters have some > appeal to me. Always wanted a Sportster since a kid. Those were the

hot

> ones to have back then. Ironic today they are considered to be the

dog

> in Harley's lineup by today's Hog riders. I still think they are

the

> best looking ones Harley builds. And they don't shake like a paint > shaker anymore. That said, I can still buy 2 - 4 KLR's for the

price of

> one Harley and ride it a long time. And I don't really have to

shine

> mine up. dirt looks good on a KLR. I have 35,000 miles on my '99

and it

> is running fine. Not bad for a cheap single. > Harley's do have great resale value but as I usually ride what I

have

> into the ground, this is not a big deal for me. If they made a > Sportster that looked like their flat track racers, had more power,

and

> sold for a reasonable price like 7 grand, I'd buy one. > > Criswell > On Sunday, April 24, 2005, at 11:25 AM, scottq60 wrote: > > > > > > > As I've stated previously (off-line)...Harley doesn't need anyone

to

> > defend them...they have their fans and their critics - I'm sure > > they're not losing any sleep at night. > > > > Personally, I really enjoy my 94 FXSTC (Softail Custom)... > > > > Many folks think that Harleys still leave oil slicks when parked

for

> > very long, and that they can't be reliable. Actually, my

wife's '00

> > 883 Sportster DID leak oil from the base rocker box gaskets -

once I

> > had James gaskets installed - no more leaks. My 94 has been > > exceptionally reliable in the 3 years I've owned it. I've put 5k > > miles on it without any notable problems. > > > > All motorcycles will require maintenance from time to time. > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Eric L. Green"

> > wrote: > >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2005, Andrus Chesley wrote: > >>> I had and built several harley's before it was cool to own on. > > Only > >>> regret is not having them now to sell at today's prices. > >> > >> I still say that a Harley is one of the most beautiful pieces of > >> performance art on the road. It's not a great bike, but it is

what

> > it is > >> and if I had a million jillion dollars I wouldn't mind having a

few

> > major > >> examples to prop a leg over from time to time to enjoy. > >> > >>> But, A bike is a bike is a bike. Ride what you want to ride and > > what > >>> fits you. But NEVER cut down another person's ride. Actually ,

the

> >>> worst bike I ever had was a '69 Norton Commando. Gear box spit a > >>> tooth thru the bottom , main frame and down tubes broke and > > cracked. > >>> LOL Guess jumping levees in the rice fields didn't help that.

But

> >> > >> Heh! And some people wonder why the British bike makers couldn't > > compete > >> with the Japs?! I had an early 70's Honda (maybe '71 or so) that > > someone > >> had stripped all the lights off of to make into a dirt bike (this > > was back > >> in the day of the UJB when all you did was change tires and

remove

> > stuff > >> to make a bike into a dirt bike). My brother and I launched this > > thing > >> from levees all over North Louisiana and the only thing that > > eventually > >> happened was that after a couple of years it dropped a valve and > > the > >> engine went craptacular because we were youngsters and didn't

know

> > you had > >> to adjust valves (hey, Dad didn't have to adjust valves on our

Ford

> > cars, > >> they all had hydraulic lifters, and it's not as if this thing

came

> > with an > >> owner's manual, it had already been thoroughly thrashed by the

time

> > it got > >> to us!). The Japs just built better bikes than the Brits, that's > > all. > >> > >> -E > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links

[scott quillen]

The period of time when Harley was owned by AMF - American Machine and Foundry "AMF could also stand for American Machine and Foundry which is a well known company that once owned Harley-Davidson from 1969-1981" AMF couldn't have cared less about the quality of bikes being produced during their ownership. And it showed! Scott --- Joseph Jones wrote:

> > What is the "AMF" years? > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Lefebvre" > wrote: > > I had a Harley during the AMF years - cured me for > life. > > > > I have noticed that resale prices are starting to > drop. I see a > > consistent pattern in the Green Bay Press Gazette > where of the 4 > columns > > of bikes for sale, 3+ columns are Harleys. > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of Ron Criswell > > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:24 AM > > To: scottq60 > > Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Whats the story with > Harley's? NKLR > for > > sure...... > > > > I believe today's Harley's are pretty good > mechanically. Most have > just > > too much metal for my taste other than the new > Sportsters have some > > appeal to me. Always wanted a Sportster since a > kid. Those were the > hot > > ones to have back then. Ironic today they are > considered to be the > dog > > in Harley's lineup by today's Hog riders. I still > think they are > the > > best looking ones Harley builds. And they don't > shake like a paint > > shaker anymore. That said, I can still buy 2 - 4 > KLR's for the > price of > > one Harley and ride it a long time. And I don't > really have to > shine > > mine up. dirt looks good on a KLR. I have 35,000 > miles on my '99 > and it > > is running fine. Not bad for a cheap single. > > Harley's do have great resale value but as I > usually ride what I > have > > into the ground, this is not a big deal for me. If > they made a > > Sportster that looked like their flat track > racers, had more power, > and > > sold for a reasonable price like 7 grand, I'd buy > one. > > > > Criswell > > On Sunday, April 24, 2005, at 11:25 AM, scottq60 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > As I've stated previously (off-line)...Harley > doesn't need anyone > to > > > defend them...they have their fans and their > critics - I'm sure > > > they're not losing any sleep at night. > > > > > > Personally, I really enjoy my 94 FXSTC (Softail > Custom)... > > > > > > Many folks think that Harleys still leave oil > slicks when parked > for > > > very long, and that they can't be reliable. > Actually, my > wife's '00 > > > 883 Sportster DID leak oil from the base rocker > box gaskets - > once I > > > had James gaskets installed - no more leaks. My > 94 has been > > > exceptionally reliable in the 3 years I've owned > it. I've put 5k > > > miles on it without any notable problems. > > > > > > All motorcycles will require maintenance from > time to time. > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Eric L. > Green" > > > > wrote: > > >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2005, Andrus Chesley wrote: > > >>> I had and built several harley's before it was > cool to own on. > > > Only > > >>> regret is not having them now to sell at > today's prices. > > >> > > >> I still say that a Harley is one of the most > beautiful pieces of > > >> performance art on the road. It's not a great > bike, but it is > what > > > it is > > >> and if I had a million jillion dollars I > wouldn't mind having a > few > > > major > > >> examples to prop a leg over from time to time > to enjoy. > > >> > > >>> But, A bike is a bike is a bike. Ride what you > want to ride and > > > what > > >>> fits you. But NEVER cut down another person's > ride. Actually , > the > > >>> worst bike I ever had was a '69 Norton > Commando. Gear box spit a > > >>> tooth thru the bottom , main frame and down > tubes broke and > > > cracked. > > >>> LOL Guess jumping levees in the rice fields > didn't help that. > But > > >> > > >> Heh! And some people wonder why the British > bike makers couldn't > > > compete > > >> with the Japs?! I had an early 70's Honda > (maybe '71 or so) that > > > someone > > >> had stripped all the lights off of to make into > a dirt bike (this > > > was back > > >> in the day of the UJB when all you did was > change tires and > remove > > > stuff > > >> to make a bike into a dirt bike). My brother > and I launched this > > > thing > > >> from levees all over North Louisiana and the > only thing that > > > eventually > > >> happened was that after a couple of years it > dropped a valve and > > > the > > >> engine went craptacular because we were > youngsters and didn't > know > > > you had > > >> to adjust valves (hey, Dad didn't have to > adjust valves on our > Ford > > > cars, > > >> they all had hydraulic lifters, and it's not as > if this thing > came > > > with an > > >> owner's manual, it had already been thoroughly > thrashed by the > time > > > it got > > >> to us!). The Japs just built better bikes than > the Brits, that's > > > all. > > >> > > >> -E > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > > >

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[JRC]

> > AMF couldn't have cared less about the quality of > bikes being produced during their ownership. And it > showed!

That may be true. But then again, Harley did not care about the quality of their bikes during the same time period, either. They have come a long way since then.

[matteeanne@yahoo.com]

Come a long way? First, let me state I know dick about mechanics, ratios, bilateral horsepower, or my ass from a hole in the ground, but I do read, and from all I have seen and read, Harley Davidson Motors refuses to bring the product up to speed, litterally, give weight ratios, cc, yada yada yada, the Harley is in the dark ages compared to other manufacturers who, instead of sticking with the "old school" have used technology to create a better product. No, Harley's have not come a long way, it's not about that. I'ts about owning a "Harley", thats all. For some thats the "Made in America" thing, for others it's the "Look Ma, a doo rag" thing. People who dig performance, handling, ability, economy don't buy Harley's. Not that that is a bad thing, it's just a thing. Same can be said for the Cadilac, it has always been a peice of crap, compared to other performance machines, but who cares, it's a Caddy for goodness sake. And again, I ask, what kind of a maniac would ride a bike without a helmet, in a t shirt, with their foot inches away from a foot eating belt drive? Now thats crazy ladies and gentlemen --- JRC wrote:

> > > > > AMF couldn't have cared less about the quality of > > bikes being produced during their ownership. And > it > > showed! > > That may be true. But then again, Harley did not > care about the > quality of their bikes during the same time period, > either. > They have come a long way since then. > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: >

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And to those of us old enough to know, AMF was a Bowling Pin manufacturer. They splattered every Harley with the AMF Logo, (Jeep's too right?) Those were sad days for AMerica, a time when people drove Pinto's and Vega's for about 20k before they seized, and the Grenada was a serious attempt at beating Merecedes. Were still paying the price for that crappy manufacturing in the world market, and as long as the Unions have there way, we always will.. --- scott quillen wrote:

> The period of time when Harley was owned by AMF - > American Machine and Foundry > > "AMF could also stand for American Machine and > Foundry > which is a well known company that once owned > Harley-Davidson from 1969-1981" > > AMF couldn't have cared less about the quality of > bikes being produced during their ownership. And it > showed! > > Scott > > --- Joseph Jones wrote: > > > > > What is the "AMF" years? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Lefebvre" > > wrote: > > > I had a Harley during the AMF years - cured me > for > > life. > > > > > > I have noticed that resale prices are starting > to > > drop. I see a > > > consistent pattern in the Green Bay Press > Gazette > > where of the 4 > > columns > > > of bikes for sale, 3+ columns are Harleys. > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of Ron Criswell > > > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:24 AM > > > To: scottq60 > > > Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Whats the story > with > > Harley's? NKLR > > for > > > sure...... > > > > > > I believe today's Harley's are pretty good > > mechanically. Most have > > just > > > too much metal for my taste other than the new > > Sportsters have some > > > appeal to me. Always wanted a Sportster since a > > kid. Those were the > > hot > > > ones to have back then. Ironic today they are > > considered to be the > > dog > > > in Harley's lineup by today's Hog riders. I > still > > think they are > > the > > > best looking ones Harley builds. And they don't > > shake like a paint > > > shaker anymore. That said, I can still buy 2 - 4 > > KLR's for the > > price of > > > one Harley and ride it a long time. And I don't > > really have to > > shine > > > mine up. dirt looks good on a KLR. I have 35,000 > > miles on my '99 > > and it > > > is running fine. Not bad for a cheap single. > > > Harley's do have great resale value but as I > > usually ride what I > > have > > > into the ground, this is not a big deal for me. > If > > they made a > > > Sportster that looked like their flat track > > racers, had more power, > > and > > > sold for a reasonable price like 7 grand, I'd > buy > > one. > > > > > > Criswell > > > On Sunday, April 24, 2005, at 11:25 AM, scottq60 > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I've stated previously (off-line)...Harley > > doesn't need anyone > > to > > > > defend them...they have their fans and their > > critics - I'm sure > > > > they're not losing any sleep at night. > > > > > > > > Personally, I really enjoy my 94 FXSTC > (Softail > > Custom)... > > > > > > > > Many folks think that Harleys still leave oil > > slicks when parked > > for > > > > very long, and that they can't be reliable. > > Actually, my > > wife's '00 > > > > 883 Sportster DID leak oil from the base > rocker > > box gaskets - > > once I > > > > had James gaskets installed - no more leaks. > My > > 94 has been > > > > exceptionally reliable in the 3 years I've > owned > > it. I've put 5k > > > > miles on it without any notable problems. > > > > > > > > All motorcycles will require maintenance from > > time to time. > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Eric L. > > Green" > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2005, Andrus Chesley wrote: > > > >>> I had and built several harley's before it > was > > cool to own on. > > > > Only > > > >>> regret is not having them now to sell at > > today's prices. > > > >> > > > >> I still say that a Harley is one of the most > > beautiful pieces of > > > >> performance art on the road. It's not a great > > bike, but it is > > what > > > > it is > > > >> and if I had a million jillion dollars I > > wouldn't mind having a > > few > > > > major > > > >> examples to prop a leg over from time to time > > to enjoy. > > > >> > > > >>> But, A bike is a bike is a bike. Ride what > you > > want to ride and > > > > what > > > >>> fits you. But NEVER cut down another > person's > > ride. Actually , > > the > > > >>> worst bike I ever had was a '69 Norton > > Commando. Gear box spit a > > > >>> tooth thru the bottom , main frame and down > > tubes broke and > > > > cracked. > > > >>> LOL Guess jumping levees in the rice fields > > didn't help that. > > But > > > >> > > > >> Heh! And some people wonder why the British > > bike makers couldn't > > > > compete > > > >> with the Japs?! I had an early 70's Honda > > (maybe '71 or so) that > > > > someone > > > >> had stripped all the lights off of to make > into > > a dirt bike (this > > > > was back > > > >> in the day of the UJB when all you did was > > change tires and > > remove > > > > stuff > > > >> to make a bike into a dirt bike). My brother > > and I launched this > > > > thing > > > >> from levees all over North Louisiana and the > > only thing that > > > > eventually > > > >> happened was that after a couple of years it > > dropped a valve and > > > > the >

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[scott quillen]

Sorry to disagree, but with Jeeps...it was AMC, not AMF. AND AMF had their hands in much more than bowling pin manufacturing. "AMF Incorporated: 1900 - 1985 AMF Incorporated was founded as the American Machine & Foundry Company Inc in New York in 1900 to manufacture automated machines for the tobacco industry. The company continued to expand its activities in automated machinery into many areas including, just prior to World War II the automatic pinspotter. The war effort delayed the introduction of this latter proposal until 1959 when it revolutionised tenpin bowling and touched off a boom in the sport. Involvement with tenpin bowling led AMF into a broad range of sporting equipment during the 1960's and 70's including Head tennis racquets and skis, Tyrolia bindings, Ben Hogan golf clubs, Voit inflatable balls, Mares scuba gear, Hatteras yachts and many other recreational products such as snowmobiles, bicycles, children's toys and even, (during the 1970's), Harley Davidson motor cycles." As for those open drive belts - those are NOT stock on Harley Davidsons...those are aftermarket setups that people add to the bike after it's bought. Regards, Scott --- matteeanne@... wrote:

> And to those of us old enough to know, AMF was a > Bowling Pin manufacturer. They splattered every > Harley > with the AMF Logo, (Jeep's too right?) Those were > sad > days for AMerica, a time when people drove Pinto's > and > Vega's for about 20k before they seized, and the > Grenada was a serious attempt at beating Merecedes. > Were still paying the price for that crappy > manufacturing in the world market, and as long as > the > Unions have there way, we always will.. > --- scott quillen wrote: > > > The period of time when Harley was owned by AMF - > > American Machine and Foundry > > > > "AMF could also stand for American Machine and > > Foundry > > which is a well known company that once owned > > Harley-Davidson from 1969-1981" > > > > AMF couldn't have cared less about the quality of > > bikes being produced during their ownership. And > it > > showed! > > > > Scott > > > > --- Joseph Jones > wrote: > > > > > > > > What is the "AMF" years? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Rob > Lefebvre" > > > wrote: > > > > I had a Harley during the AMF years - cured me > > for > > > life. > > > > > > > > I have noticed that resale prices are starting > > to > > > drop. I see a > > > > consistent pattern in the Green Bay Press > > Gazette > > > where of the 4 > > > columns > > > > of bikes for sale, 3+ columns are Harleys. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On > > > > Behalf Of Ron Criswell > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:24 AM > > > > To: scottq60 > > > > Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Whats the story > > with > > > Harley's? NKLR > > > for > > > > sure...... > > > > > > > > I believe today's Harley's are pretty good > > > mechanically. Most have > > > just > > > > too much metal for my taste other than the new > > > Sportsters have some > > > > appeal to me. Always wanted a Sportster since > a > > > kid. Those were the > > > hot > > > > ones to have back then. Ironic today they are > > > considered to be the > > > dog > > > > in Harley's lineup by today's Hog riders. I > > still > > > think they are > > > the > > > > best looking ones Harley builds. And they > don't > > > shake like a paint > > > > shaker anymore. That said, I can still buy 2 - > 4 > > > KLR's for the > > > price of > > > > one Harley and ride it a long time. And I > don't > > > really have to > > > shine > > > > mine up. dirt looks good on a KLR. I have > 35,000 > > > miles on my '99 > > > and it > > > > is running fine. Not bad for a cheap single. > > > > Harley's do have great resale value but as I > > > usually ride what I > > > have > > > > into the ground, this is not a big deal for > me. > > If > > > they made a > > > > Sportster that looked like their flat track > > > racers, had more power, > > > and > > > > sold for a reasonable price like 7 grand, I'd > > buy > > > one. > > > > > > > > Criswell > > > > On Sunday, April 24, 2005, at 11:25 AM, > scottq60 > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I've stated previously > (off-line)...Harley > > > doesn't need anyone > > > to > > > > > defend them...they have their fans and their > > > critics - I'm sure > > > > > they're not losing any sleep at night. > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I really enjoy my 94 FXSTC > > (Softail > > > Custom)... > > > > > > > > > > Many folks think that Harleys still leave > oil > > > slicks when parked > > > for > > > > > very long, and that they can't be reliable. > > > Actually, my > > > wife's '00 > > > > > 883 Sportster DID leak oil from the base > > rocker > > > box gaskets - > > > once I > > > > > had James gaskets installed - no more leaks. > > My > > > 94 has been > > > > > exceptionally reliable in the 3 years I've > > owned > > > it. I've put 5k > > > > > miles on it without any notable problems. > > > > > > > > > > All motorcycles will require maintenance > from > > > time to time. > > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Eric L. > > > Green" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2005, Andrus Chesley wrote: > > > > >>> I had and built several harley's before it > > was > > > cool to own on. > > > > > Only > > > > >>> regret is not having them now to sell at > > > today's prices. > > > > >> > > > > >> I still say that a Harley is one of the > most > > > beautiful pieces of > > > > >> performance art on the road. It's not a > great > > > bike, but it is > > > what > > > > > it is > > > > >> and if I had a million jillion dollars I > > > wouldn't mind having a > > > few > > > > > major > > > > >> examples to prop a leg over from time to > time > > > to enjoy. > > > > >> > > > > >>> But, A bike is a bike is a bike. Ride what > > you > > > want to ride and > > > > > what > > > > >>> fits you. But NEVER cut down another > > person's > > > ride. Actually , > > > the > > > > >>> worst bike I ever had was a '69 Norton >

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[Chaz Cooper - Hotmail]

Hardly ableson's poor build quality couldn't have had anything to do with the '60's & 70's "drug scene". I'm sure it was all AMF's fault....

----- Original Message ----- From: JRC To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:11 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Whats the story with Harley's? NKLR for sure...... > > AMF couldn't have cared less about the quality of > bikes being produced during their ownership. And it > showed! That may be true. But then again, Harley did not care about the quality of their bikes during the same time period, either. They have come a long way since then. Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Chaz Cooper - Hotmail]

..and tennis rackets, snow skis, etc., etc., etc. Just about every kind of recreational equipment line they could acquire. Jeep was owned by AMC (previously Rambler). I'm still amazed that Chrysler was able to pull Jeep out of the toilet. They were horrible products in the final days of AMC ownership. The last two or three years the only way to ID brake components (shoes, master cyls), u-joints, rear axle bearings, was to take it apart and match it. They were buying parts in small bunches from whoever they could get them. Overhead cam six, RCA electronics in the Wagoneers... what a piece of underpowered sh**.

----- Original Message ----- From: matteeanne@... To: scott quillen ; Joseph Jones ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Whats the story with Harley's? NKLR for sure...... And to those of us old enough to know, AMF was a Bowling Pin manufacturer. They splattered every Harley with the AMF Logo, (Jeep's too right?) Those were sad days for AMerica, a time when people drove Pinto's and Vega's for about 20k before they seized, and the Grenada was a serious attempt at beating Merecedes. Were still paying the price for that crappy manufacturing in the world market, and as long as the Unions have there way, we always will.. --- scott quillen wrote: > The period of time when Harley was owned by AMF - > American Machine and Foundry > > "AMF could also stand for American Machine and > Foundry > which is a well known company that once owned > Harley-Davidson from 1969-1981" > > AMF couldn't have cared less about the quality of > bikes being produced during their ownership. And it > showed! > > Scott > > --- Joseph Jones wrote: > > > > > What is the "AMF" years? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Lefebvre" > > wrote: > > > I had a Harley during the AMF years - cured me > for > > life. > > > > > > I have noticed that resale prices are starting > to > > drop. I see a > > > consistent pattern in the Green Bay Press > Gazette > > where of the 4 > > columns > > > of bikes for sale, 3+ columns are Harleys. > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of Ron Criswell > > > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:24 AM > > > To: scottq60 > > > Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Whats the story > with > > Harley's? NKLR > > for > > > sure...... > > > > > > I believe today's Harley's are pretty good > > mechanically. Most have > > just > > > too much metal for my taste other than the new > > Sportsters have some > > > appeal to me. Always wanted a Sportster since a > > kid. Those were the > > hot > > > ones to have back then. Ironic today they are > > considered to be the > > dog > > > in Harley's lineup by today's Hog riders. I > still > > think they are > > the > > > best looking ones Harley builds. And they don't > > shake like a paint > > > shaker anymore. That said, I can still buy 2 - 4 > > KLR's for the > > price of > > > one Harley and ride it a long time. And I don't > > really have to > > shine > > > mine up. dirt looks good on a KLR. I have 35,000 > > miles on my '99 > > and it > > > is running fine. Not bad for a cheap single. > > > Harley's do have great resale value but as I > > usually ride what I > > have > > > into the ground, this is not a big deal for me. > If > > they made a > > > Sportster that looked like their flat track > > racers, had more power, > > and > > > sold for a reasonable price like 7 grand, I'd > buy > > one. > > > > > > Criswell > > > On Sunday, April 24, 2005, at 11:25 AM, scottq60 > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I've stated previously (off-line)...Harley > > doesn't need anyone > > to > > > > defend them...they have their fans and their > > critics - I'm sure > > > > they're not losing any sleep at night. > > > > > > > > Personally, I really enjoy my 94 FXSTC > (Softail > > Custom)... > > > > > > > > Many folks think that Harleys still leave oil > > slicks when parked > > for > > > > very long, and that they can't be reliable. > > Actually, my > > wife's '00 > > > > 883 Sportster DID leak oil from the base > rocker > > box gaskets - > > once I > > > > had James gaskets installed - no more leaks. > My > > 94 has been > > > > exceptionally reliable in the 3 years I've > owned > > it. I've put 5k > > > > miles on it without any notable problems. > > > > > > > > All motorcycles will require maintenance from > > time to time. > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Eric L. > > Green" > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2005, Andrus Chesley wrote: > > > >>> I had and built several harley's before it > was > > cool to own on. > > > > Only > > > >>> regret is not having them now to sell at > > today's prices. > > > >> > > > >> I still say that a Harley is one of the most > > beautiful pieces of > > > >> performance art on the road. It's not a great > > bike, but it is > > what > > > > it is > > > >> and if I had a million jillion dollars I > > wouldn't mind having a > > few > > > > major > > > >> examples to prop a leg over from time to time > > to enjoy. > > > >> > > > >>> But, A bike is a bike is a bike. Ride what > you > > want to ride and > > > > what > > > >>> fits you. But NEVER cut down another > person's > > ride. Actually , > > the > > > >>> worst bike I ever had was a '69 Norton > > Commando. Gear box spit a > > > >>> tooth thru the bottom , main frame and down > > tubes broke and > > > > cracked. > > > >>> LOL Guess jumping levees in the rice fields > > didn't help that. > > But > > > >> > > > >> Heh! And some people wonder why the British > > bike makers couldn't > > > > compete > > > >> with the Japs?! I had an early 70's Honda > > (maybe '71 or so) that > > > > someone > > > >> had stripped all the lights off of to make > into > > a dirt bike (this > > > > was back > > > >> in the day of the UJB when all you did was > > change tires and > > remove > > > > stuff > > > >> to make a bike into a dirt bike). My brother > > and I launched this > > > > thing > > > >> from levees all over North Louisiana and the > > only thing that > > > > eventually > > > >> happened was that after a couple of years it > > dropped a valve and > > > > the > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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I don't know why I'm wasting my energy with a response...sounds like you just want to bash Harley Davidson...I'm cool with that...your opinion of HD isn't going to cause me any sleepless nights, nor is it likely to make those who work for HD start fretting that the masses who are spending their hard-earned-dollar on "hardly ablesons" are gonna hear your opinion and run straight out and buy a KLR. Did you have a bad experience with a particular HD or the owner of one? or do you just like jumping on the "Bash HD" bandwagon? Just curious... Scott --- Chaz Cooper - Hotmail wrote:

> Hardly ableson's poor build quality couldn't have > had anything to do with the '60's & 70's "drug > scene". I'm sure it was all AMF's fault.... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JRC > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:11 AM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Whats the story with > Harley's? NKLR for sure...... > > > > > > > AMF couldn't have cared less about the quality > of > > bikes being produced during their ownership. And > it > > showed! > > That may be true. But then again, Harley did not > care about the > quality of their bikes during the same time > period, either. > They have come a long way since then. > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: >

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