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Randy Shultz
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Post by Randy Shultz » Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:47 am

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Peplinski" wrote:
> Their lifes blood is parts and repairs. The next time you buy on
the net think about it.
>
--- I agree with much in that post but I disagree with this one statement above. I would LOVE to be able to buy parts locally. It is very frustrating having to wait for parts to be delivered when I could be wrenching on the bike. But I can almost never find the parts I need at my three local Kawasaki dealers. They simply don't stock them. Also, when I check what their prices would be for parts if I ordered them, they are typically twice as expensive (or more on smaller items) as what I can get through places like ronayers.com. Plus, I have to wait up to a week for my local order, so I don't get them any faster either. No thanks. I do not believe that most local dealers are interested in selling parts to people who do their own repairs, and I do all my own maintenance and repairs. I would bet that between sales, service, and parts, parts sales is the least important source of revenue for a dealer, unless they are one of the few that sell online and do volume parts sales. Randy

Mike Peplinski
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Post by Mike Peplinski » Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:01 am

OK, maybe 44K is impressive but BMW's like my R90 are reputed to go several hundred thousand miles without major rebuilds. BMW even issues million mile plaques. The Jap tourers easily go 100K miles with no major service and will go the next hundred thou with little more than a clutch or wheel bearing. I can't deny that all the bike shops have a repair department but you gotta admit there just aren't many 100K plus HD's out there, "New Gen" or otherwise. Even the high revving crotch rockets can go 200k with good care. That throbbing rumble does not come cheaply. Its a fact of physics that vibration is bad. While that "potato potato" crap may feel good on the assl, it is not good for longevity. Its amazing that our KLR lasts as long as it does. Perhaps this can be attributed to solid design and high quality parts (doohickey excluded) that our thumper KLR goes as long as it does without disintegrating, but then, parts do fall off if not tightened. Enjoy your Sporty. By the way, how come Harley riders are the only ones that don't wave?
>From: robert bowman >To: "Mike Peplinski" , DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR650 real cost. >Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:14:09 -0600 > >On Wednesday 27 April 2005 07:04, Mike Peplinski wrote: > > Yes, and all that "replacement"stuff must really help. Harleys are well > > known for their durability and penchant for high mileage. Puhleeze. Do >they > > put fresh air in the tires too? > >My current Sportster is at 44,000 and counting, with tires being the major >maintenance cost. And I haven't even replaced the doohickey... Just >because >a high pecentage of Harley owners are assholes does not make the machinery >inferior, if you disregard the years when the company was owned by a parent >better known for bowling equipment. > >

Blake Sobiloff
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Post by Blake Sobiloff » Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:08 am

On Apr 27, 2005, at 5:03 AM, Mike Peplinski wrote:
> The next time you buy on > the net think about it. Think you can get your bike fixed on the > internet? > If these dealers fold up their tents how will you get y our toys > serviced?
Hmmm. I've never seen the inside of a Kawasaki dealership. I bought my bike used from a private party, and I bought a Clymer manual to learn how to service it. I've bought my parts from Fred, Chris, Happy Trails, Dual Star, et al. I've gladly accepted the wisdom from the members of this list and the wonderful maintenance and enhancement resources from Mark and Eldon. I've done all my own maintenance and enjoyed the experience. Who needs a dealer? I'll just order direct from the factory. :-) -- Blake Sobiloff San Mateo, CA (USA)

ron criswell
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Post by ron criswell » Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:03 am

The last time I went to the dealer I bought my KLR from (that I had spent maybe $15,000 with) one guy tried to get me to buy a $95 part for a brake problem I couldn't figure out myself. I didn't think that part was the problem and told him so. He very arrogantly informed me he had probably been working on bikes longer (35 years) than I had been riding them (44 years). I didn't have him order the part and picked the bike up. The problem was not in the caliper which he said it was, I discovered later it was the rotor. I haven't done anymore business with him. He needed more experience working on them for me. There are plenty others in the area. It helps to know more about your bikes yourself than to depend on sometimes not correct workmanship or repairs by someone else. Criswell
On Wednesday, April 27, 2005, at 07:08 AM, Blake Sobiloff wrote: > > On Apr 27, 2005, at 5:03 AM, Mike Peplinski wrote: >> The next time you buy on >> the net think about it. Think you can get your bike fixed on the >> internet? >> If these dealers fold up their tents how will you get y our toys >> serviced? > > Hmmm. I've never seen the inside of a Kawasaki dealership. I bought > my bike used from a private party, and I bought a Clymer manual to > learn how to service it. I've bought my parts from Fred, Chris, Happy > Trails, Dual Star, et al. I've gladly accepted the wisdom from the > members of this list and the wonderful maintenance and enhancement > resources from Mark and Eldon. I've done all my own maintenance and > enjoyed the experience. > > Who needs a dealer? I'll just order direct from the factory. :-) > -- > Blake Sobiloff > San Mateo, CA (USA) > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Bogdan Swider
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Post by Bogdan Swider » Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:16 am

I had a Harley guy tell me last weekend that the regular service charge on
> his Harley was $600.
Harley types liked to point out that a top end overhaul on the venerable V-twin cost less than a valve adjustment on a 4 cylinder DOHC rice burner. I guess times have changed. Bogdan

mikesupon
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Post by mikesupon » Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:23 am

If I may throw my two cents into this discussion... I've been riding now for nearly thirty years, if you start with my Honda Trail 55, and I buy my bikes for one purpose...to ride them (usually 4-6K/Yr). I've had trail bikes, trials bikes, motocross bikes, cruisers, and yes even an HD once. I've never put 44K (let alone 100K+) on any one bike, but the KLR which I bought last fall may become the exception. Perhaps the reason many HD owners don't pile up the miles...in addition to some of the mechanical issues you all have been talking about...is that they simply don't ride that much. In my area in Western PA, and only by my observations, as I put my 150-400 miles on each ride, I drive past many, many "gathering establishments" (some may call them bars) only to see umpteen bikes (by far mostly HD's) parked in front. These bikes are bought for show and for the social aspects of motorcycling (and if that's your thing then OK..sad, but OK). They will never see 44K miles at 1-2,000 each year. I have had people call me to ask to "go riding", only to find they wanted to drive 25 miles to go drinking...which I never do on the bike anyhow. When I would tell them howabout a great 150-200 mile ride on some great roads, they just look at me like I'm crazy. I'm not trying to paint the HD guys with all the same brush here, so calm down all you HD owners who don't fit this mold, but it sure seems this style is most prevalent among them. I also agree that not many do the "wave" as you pass by...that wouldn't support the tough guy image! Mike A15 (and at one time a 1998 Heritage Softtail Classic) --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Peplinski" wrote:
> OK, maybe 44K is impressive but BMW's like my R90 are reputed to
go several
> hundred thousand miles without major rebuilds. BMW even issues
million mile
> plaques. The Jap tourers easily go 100K miles with no major
service and will
> go the next hundred thou with little more than a clutch or wheel
bearing. I
> can't deny that all the bike shops have a repair department but
you gotta
> admit there just aren't many 100K plus HD's out there, "New Gen"
or
> otherwise. Even the high revving crotch rockets can go 200k with
good care.
> That throbbing rumble does not come cheaply. Its a fact of physics
that
> vibration is bad. While that "potato potato" crap may feel good on
the assl,
> it is not good for longevity. Its amazing that our KLR lasts as
long as it
> does. Perhaps this can be attributed to solid design and high
quality parts
> (doohickey excluded) that our thumper KLR goes as long as it does
without
> disintegrating, but then, parts do fall off if not tightened.
Enjoy your
> Sporty. By the way, how come Harley riders are the only ones that
don't
> wave? > > >From: robert bowman > >To: "Mike Peplinski" ,
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR650 real cost. > >Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:14:09 -0600 > > > >On Wednesday 27 April 2005 07:04, Mike Peplinski wrote: > > > Yes, and all that "replacement"stuff must really help. Harleys
are well
> > > known for their durability and penchant for high mileage.
Puhleeze. Do
> >they > > > put fresh air in the tires too? > > > >My current Sportster is at 44,000 and counting, with tires being
the major
> >maintenance cost. And I haven't even replaced the doohickey...
Just
> >because > >a high pecentage of Harley owners are assholes does not make the
machinery
> >inferior, if you disregard the years when the company was owned
by a parent
> >better known for bowling equipment. > > > >

Bogdan Swider
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Post by Bogdan Swider » Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:26 am

> > OK, maybe 44K is impressive but BMW's like my R90 are reputed to go several > hundred thousand miles without major rebuilds.
Yeah, " reputed ".....You wonder where they got that reputation. I'm sure some boxer, somewhere achieved those results but that's not what I heard or observed. Many needed tranny rebuilds around 50k miles; valve work around 100k was common. Rear end replacement - the bike's not the rider's - was not unusual. The shaft to tranny connection would go south. I could go on....... Bogdan

Rob Lefebvre
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Post by Rob Lefebvre » Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:30 am

I used to be part of a local BMW riders club and a card carrying member of the BMWMOA back in the late 80's when I owned a K75 - the only bike I have ever purchased new. Great bike, and some day I will own another BMW, but for now the KLR serves my needs at a much more reasonable price point. BMW's do run a long time, but they also require meticulous maintenance. You will find that many BMW owners do their own maintenance and they are generally very particular about it. When you pay that kind of money for a "toy", you tend to take care of it. Rob -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bogdan Swider Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:26 AM To: Mike Peplinski; bowman@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR650 real cost.
> > OK, maybe 44K is impressive but BMW's like my R90 are reputed to go
several
> hundred thousand miles without major rebuilds.
Yeah, " reputed ".....You wonder where they got that reputation. I'm sure some boxer, somewhere achieved those results but that's not what I heard or observed. Many needed tranny rebuilds around 50k miles; valve work around 100k was common. Rear end replacement - the bike's not the rider's - was not unusual. The shaft to tranny connection would go south. I could go on....... Bogdan Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links

Bogdan Swider
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Post by Bogdan Swider » Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:46 am

> > I used to be part of a local BMW riders club and a card carrying member > of the BMWMOA back in the late 80's when I owned a K75 -
The engines on the K bikes were great by all accounts. As of about 10 years ago one dealership, BMW of Denver, never had a reason to open up a single K engine. I've been checking out K75s on eBay. What scares me is the amount of work on shafts, charging systems etc. that the sellers say that they've had done. Bogdan

Rob Lefebvre
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Post by Rob Lefebvre » Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:58 am

True. Other than routine maintenance and some emissions control issues that the dealer repaired, I never had a problem for the 20K miles and 5 years that I owned the bike. I put most of the miles on in the first 2 years and then the bike sat in the garage for the last 3 years due to the arrival of my first child. In fact I wish I had never sold the K75 - hindsight... Rob -----Original Message----- From: Bogdan Swider [mailto:BSwider@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:47 AM To: Rob Lefebvre; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR650 real cost.
> > I used to be part of a local BMW riders club and a card carrying
member
> of the BMWMOA back in the late 80's when I owned a K75 -
The engines on the K bikes were great by all accounts. As of about 10 years ago one dealership, BMW of Denver, never had a reason to open up a single K engine. I've been checking out K75s on eBay. What scares me is the amount of work on shafts, charging systems etc. that the sellers say that they've had done. Bogdan

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