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[Blake Sobiloff]

> On Mar 22, 2005, at 9:18 AM, Bill Emmack wrote: >> I would recommend NOT using bleach -- unless you prefer the taste of >> bleach to the taste of plastic. > > Even worse, bleach hardens many plastics and will cause them to > discolor and crack. That's why homebrewers use cleaners like B-Brite > on their plastic wort tubs and tubes. > > Note that CamelBak sell an over-priced vegetable-based cleaner they > recommend for cleaning and disinfecting their gear, too. > -- > Blake Sobiloff > San Mateo, CA (USA)

[anti-js]

on 3/22/05 9:18 AM, Bill Emmack at blemmack@... wrote:

> > I would recommend NOT using bleach -- unless you prefer the taste of > bleach to the taste of plastic. I've found the bleach taste is even > harder to get rid of once it's in there.

My 1st choice for hydration sacks or watter bottles has always been vinegar or baking soda, but when that doesn't prove effective, the bleach usually does the trick. I've used it on water bottles since I started riding/racin bikes (pedal) back in 69 and have never had any issues with it. Prolly have run bottles and bags well over a hunnert times through this treatment. And other than bad spellin and a slight twitch in the face, notice no ill affects from da process...

> The lemon juice and baking > soda should do the trick, but if not, I've also used a tiny bit of Dr. > Bronner's peppermint soap for washing out an older bag that got a > little funky. After rinsing very, very well to be sure I was rid of > all the soap, I still had a nice bit of minty flavor... =) > > BE > SF, A9

Lemon juice, vinegar, bleach - you're jus tawkin about varyin concentrations of an acid or - bakin soda - AL Kalines. Iff'n you can really smell the chlorine/bleach in the sak, then you've prolly gone a little overboard on the concentration. Key word is 'neutralize', as in the chemistry sense - not the military one. Js

[matteeanne@yahoo.com]

In Kuwait we sed Camel piss. The trick is to plug your nose before taking a hit... --- anti-js wrote:

> > on 3/22/05 9:18 AM, Bill Emmack at > blemmack@... wrote: > > > > I would recommend NOT using bleach -- unless you > prefer the taste of > > bleach to the taste of plastic. I've found the > bleach taste is even > > harder to get rid of once it's in there. > > My 1st choice for hydration sacks or watter bottles > has always been vinegar > or baking soda, but when that doesn't prove > effective, the bleach usually > does the trick. > I've used it on water bottles since I started > riding/racin bikes (pedal) > back in 69 and have never had any issues with it. > Prolly have run bottles > and bags well over a hunnert times through this > treatment. > And other than bad spellin and a slight twitch in > the face, notice no ill > affects from da process... > > > The lemon juice and baking > > soda should do the trick, but if not, I've also > used a tiny bit of Dr. > > Bronner's peppermint soap for washing out an older > bag that got a > > little funky. After rinsing very, very well to be > sure I was rid of > > all the soap, I still had a nice bit of minty > flavor... =) > > > > BE > > SF, A9 > > Lemon juice, vinegar, bleach - you're jus tawkin > about varyin concentrations > of an acid or - bakin soda - AL Kalines. Iff'n you > can really smell the > chlorine/bleach in the sak, then you've prolly gone > a little overboard on > the concentration. Key word is 'neutralize', as in > the chemistry sense - not > the military one. > > Js > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: >

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[anti-js]

on 3/22/05 10:08 AM, matteeanne@... at matteeanne@... wrote:

> > In Kuwait we sed Camel piss. The trick is to plug your > nose before taking a hit...

EEEEuuuuu... {/Ernest} Considerin their ability to retain water, this prolly is strong enough to take the color right outta digitial pics. Then again, I guess ya gotta use whatz readily at hand. Of course, The litmus test would be if you can't taste the plastic anymoe. Been told by exotic con-no-sewers that it is a bit tangy-er than Water Buffalo. js

> --- anti-js wrote: >> >> on 3/22/05 9:18 AM, Bill Emmack at >> blemmack@... wrote: >>> >>> I would recommend NOT using bleach -- unless you >> prefer the taste of >>> bleach to the taste of plastic. I've found the >> bleach taste is even >>> harder to get rid of once it's in there. >> >> My 1st choice for hydration sacks or watter bottles >> has always been vinegar >> or baking soda, but when that doesn't prove

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Mouthwash. Works every time. --- April Neave & Norm Keller wrote:

> > My new hydro pack gives the water such a strong > plastic taste that it is > undrinkable. What's the best way to remove the > plastic taste? It has been > rinsed out many times and left to soak with water in > but still too plastic. > > Thanks, > > Norm > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: >

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[Erik]

>>> I would recommend NOT using bleach -- unless you prefer the taste of >>> bleach to the taste of plastic. >> >> Even worse, bleach hardens many plastics and will cause them to >> discolor and crack. That's why homebrewers use cleaners like B-Brite >> on their plastic wort tubs and tubes. >> >> Note that CamelBak sell an over-priced vegetable-based cleaner they >> recommend for cleaning and disinfecting their gear, too.

makes me think simple green would do a Pretty Good Job. This thread is reminding me that i REALLY need to clean out my camel bak, since i'm planning on using it this weekend. erik

[Craig Morris]

nakedwaterskier wrote:

>opening it up with the yellow hanger dissipates the plastic smell >and dries it out so no bacteria grows > >

Another alternative is to just store the thing in the freezer. In the summer I add a little water before putting it in the freezer and then I have a some ice to keep things cool when I fill it the next time. -- Craig Morris Fernie, BC, Canada

[Erik]

>> opening it up with the yellow hanger dissipates the plastic smell >> and dries it out so no bacteria grows >> >> > Another alternative is to just store the thing in the freezer. In the > summer I add a little water before putting it in the freezer and then I > have a some ice to keep things cool when I fill it the next time.

which reminds me of my genius girlfriends camelbak trick when we're headed out to the desert. fill 'em as full as possible with ice cubes, then cover with water. add more water after some of the ice melts and the volume goes down. it'll stay cold for AGES. erik

[don cain]

Actually the best way to sterilize a camel back is to fill it with a mixture of water and Hydrogen-peroxide (bout 50/50 or so). The O released from the H2O2 will kill about everything. The problem with new bags it that they are still giving off VOCs - hence the smell/taste. Airing the bag out for a fews days should clear up the plastic(y) taste/smell.......... -don

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:29:03 -0800 (PST), erik wrote: > > > >> opening it up with the yellow hanger dissipates the plastic smell > >> and dries it out so no bacteria grows > >> > >> > > Another alternative is to just store the thing in the freezer. In the > > summer I add a little water before putting it in the freezer and then I > > have a some ice to keep things cool when I fill it the next time. > > which reminds me of my genius girlfriends camelbak trick when we're headed > out to the desert. fill 'em as full as possible with ice cubes, then cover > with water. add more water after some of the ice melts and the volume goes > down. it'll stay cold for AGES. > > erik > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, erik wrote:

> > >> opening it up with the yellow hanger dissipates the plastic smell > >> and dries it out so no bacteria grows > >> > >> > > Another alternative is to just store the thing in the freezer. In the > > summer I add a little water before putting it in the freezer and then I > > have a some ice to keep things cool when I fill it the next time. > > which reminds me of my genius girlfriends camelbak trick when we're headed > out to the desert. fill 'em as full as possible with ice cubes, then cover > with water. add more water after some of the ice melts and the volume goes > down. it'll stay cold for AGES.

On the road, I like to refill mine at the Stop 'n Robs where I gas up. The soda dispenser has crushed ice: I usually only get a little bit on the floor, top up with water, and Bob's your uncle.