shorter links for raising rear ride height.

[Lee Bunce]

Hello I have seen a few peolpe talking about seats so I thought I would throw my two bits in .Im not soliciting for work but I build KLR seats like the corbin Im an upholster and have developed these seats that work great I have sold lots of them and never had a complaint. My seat for example is 1' lower and it does make a huge difference in not only being able to touch the ground but also lowers your center of gravaty. The seats are wider in the back and still stock width in front.All you have to do is send me your seat pan or the whole seat and I build what ever you like for 165.00 Canadian. OK maybe I am soliciting for work . Im sorry but , If you want more info and pictures email me , DrLee Ps hopely the moderator wont scold me.

[dooden]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Lee Bunce" wrote:

> > Hello I have seen a few peolpe talking about seats so I thought I > would throw my two bits in .Im not soliciting for work but I build > KLR seats like the corbin Im an upholster and have developed these > seats that work great I have sold lots of them and never had a > complaint. My seat for example is 1' lower and it does make a huge > difference in not only being able to touch the ground but also lowers > your center of gravaty. The seats are wider in the back and still > stock width in front.All you have to do is send me your seat pan or > the whole seat and I build what ever you like for 165.00 Canadian. OK > maybe I am soliciting for work . Im sorry but , If you want more info > and pictures email me , DrLee > > Ps hopely the moderator wont scold me.

At a minimun he should remind you that Fridays are vendor days on this list, so if you have a website or photos/files you would like to show and tell do get them ready and post friday as to where they can be seen. But must ask, what are you using for foam ? I see Wallyworld has Memory foam pillows for about $15 USD, I thought about using one of them and cutting it to fit and restapling the cover down, or just use some of this material I have on hand. But its a metallic Blue and would not go well with a silver and green bike (Best color) Piece of Cake... Dooden A15 Green Ape

[Ron Crandell]

You bring up an interesting question: Has anyone built their own seat? If so, what works and what doesn't? I saw Dr. Gregory's custom seat in the latest MCN, and I thought.. "Yeah, no why don't I do something like that?" I have a dipped Corbin that I like, and would use on any off-road rides, but would like to make a touring saddle like a Russel, but without the $$ involved. Can I just find some good foam, and then have an upholster make a cover?? Just fishin' for ideas, winter up here is WAY too long.. Ron in MN

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" wrote: > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Lee Bunce" wrote: > > > > Hello I have seen a few peolpe talking about seats so I thought I > > would throw my two bits in .Im not soliciting for work but I build > > KLR seats like the corbin Im an upholster and have developed these > > seats that work great I have sold lots of them and never had a > > complaint. My seat for example is 1' lower and it does make a huge > > difference in not only being able to touch the ground but also lowers > > your center of gravaty. The seats are wider in the back and still > > stock width in front.All you have to do is send me your seat pan or > > the whole seat and I build what ever you like for 165.00 Canadian. OK > > maybe I am soliciting for work . Im sorry but , If you want more info > > and pictures email me , DrLee > > > > Ps hopely the moderator wont scold me. > > At a minimun he should remind you that Fridays are vendor days on this > list, so if you have a website or photos/files you would like to show > and tell do get them ready and post friday as to where they can be seen. > > But must ask, what are you using for foam ? I see Wallyworld has > Memory foam pillows for about $15 USD, I thought about using one of > them and cutting it to fit and restapling the cover down, or just use > some of this material I have on hand. But its a metallic Blue and > would not go well with a silver and green bike (Best color) > > Piece of Cake... > > Dooden > A15 Green Ape

[wayne adamson]

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Crandell" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:15 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR seats > > > You bring up an interesting question: Has anyone built their own > seat? If so, what works and what doesn't? I saw Dr. Gregory's > custom seat in the latest MCN, and I thought.. "Yeah, no why don't I > do something like that?" I have a dipped Corbin that I like, and > would use on any off-road rides, but would like to make a touring > saddle like a Russel, but without the $$ involved. Can I just find > some good foam, and then have an upholster make a cover?? > > Just fishin' for ideas, winter up here is WAY too long.. > > Ron in MN > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Lee Bunce" > wrote: > > > > > > Hello I have seen a few peolpe talking about seats so I thought I > > > would throw my two bits in .Im not soliciting for work but I > build > > > KLR seats like the corbin Im an upholster and have developed > these > > > seats that work great I have sold lots of them and never had a > > > complaint. My seat for example is 1' lower and it does make a > huge > > > difference in not only being able to touch the ground but also > lowers > > > your center of gravaty. The seats are wider in the back and still > > > stock width in front.All you have to do is send me your seat pan > or > > > the whole seat and I build what ever you like for 165.00 > Canadian. OK > > > maybe I am soliciting for work . Im sorry but , If you want more > info > > > and pictures email me , DrLee > > > > > > Ps hopely the moderator wont scold me. > > > > At a minimun he should remind you that Fridays are vendor days on > this > > list, so if you have a website or photos/files you would like to > show > > and tell do get them ready and post friday as to where they can be > seen. > > > > But must ask, what are you using for foam ? I see Wallyworld has > > Memory foam pillows for about $15 USD, I thought about using one of > > them and cutting it to fit and restapling the cover down, or just > use > > some of this material I have on hand. But its a metallic Blue and > > would not go well with a silver and green bike (Best color) > > > > Piece of Cake... > > > > Dooden > > A15 Green Ape > > Dr Lee's Happy Seats are well known up here in the Cariboo.He will make you a custom seat for $160.00 CND,that's $128.00 American Dollars.Why would you try to make your own when you can get quality workmanship and material for that kind of money? Wayne " The difference between an adventure and an ordeal is attitude"(unknown) KLR650A14-1976 R60/6-1995 R100RT-ABC 6461 MOA-71007

[Alan L Henderson]

Ron Crandell wrote:

> > You bring up an interesting question: Has anyone built their own > seat? If so, what works and what doesn't? I saw Dr. Gregory's > custom seat in the latest MCN, and I thought.. "Yeah, no why don't I > do something like that?" I have a dipped Corbin that I like, and > would use on any off-road rides, but would like to make a touring > saddle like a Russel, but without the $$ involved. Can I just find > some good foam, and then have an upholster make a cover?? > > Just fishin' for ideas, winter up here is WAY too long.. > > Ron in MN

Yes I built my own seat from scratch. At this age it is rather soft and large. Oh wait, your talking about a KLR seat. Yes I built my own KLR seat from scratch also. I used laminated cellulose for the seat base with some back packing foam and several layers of high quality carpet foam for padding. I used some standard upholstery vinyl for a cover but will probably replace that with something more sturdy later. With the standard seat my right hip and leg would start to bother me in less that half an hour on the bike. The seat I built was quite comfortable for 12 1/2 hours only stopping for gas and to eat. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa

[Keith Saltzer]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Crandell" wrote:

> > You bring up an interesting question: Has anyone built their own > seat? If so, what works and what doesn't? I saw Dr. Gregory's > custom seat in the latest MCN, and I thought.. "Yeah, no why don't

I

> do something like that?" I have a dipped Corbin that I like, and > would use on any off-road rides, but would like to make a touring > saddle like a Russel, but without the $$ involved. Can I just find > some good foam, and then have an upholster make a cover?? > > Just fishin' for ideas, winter up here is WAY too long.. > > Ron in MN

I JUST got done doing this to my seat, but have been waiting to ride it up to Oregon for a full report on how comfortable it is. As a matter of fact, I pick it up in a couple of hours. But here is what I have learned thus far. My first idea was to go the cheaper and better way (if you ask me) and just MAKE my own damn seat. I wanted the same stock shape, with a few mods. I wanted it a bit taller in front, where you sit most of the time, I wanted it a bit wider, just a touch as to not mess up the off road narrowness of the stocker, and I wanted it firmer for sure. The seat, on long trips, is the ONLY thing holding me back from doing longer days. The best that I have done was 800 miles, and that was after riding for 600-700 miles the last 3 days prior. My arse just could not go on anymore. So what I did was study foams online, and decided to settle on some expensive "memory" foam that is used in pilots seats, hospitable beds, wheelchairs and the like. Using the info from Eldon's sight and others, where they talked about using triple density foam, (three seperate layers, three different foam density's) I spent $45 on a bunch of great foam...........I thought, and $25 on a square yard of really nice new marine grade vinyl. I took my old vinyl off, bought a $12 electric knife, cut down my stock foam to within a 1/4 inch of the seat pan, and then got frustrated with all the many little details of how to cut, mold, glue, and build up my new seat. So I took the seat and new foam and new vinyl to a local upholsterer that's been doing this stuff for decades, dropped it off, and explained what I wanted. A few days later when I called him to see how it was going, he said that a customer happened to come buy to drop off a bunch of KTM seats to be covered. This guy just by chance is in the business of having guys send him dozens and dozens of seats every month to his house where he completely tears them down and rebuilds them for about $400. He just does the hard part and then brings the seats to the upholsterer to have him cover and staple them. He is a perfectionist like me and does very nice custom work. Anyway, he saw my seat sitting there, and the foam that I had selected, and told the owner of the shop to have me call him. He knew what I wanted, and knew that the foam that I bought would not work, and wanted to save me a headache dealing with it. (he said that the foam although really nice at first, would compress down till very hard and would feel like the pan again after many miles) I called this guy and talked to him for an hour on the phone, then went to his house for another hour and talked about nothing but bike seats. I let him take over the job of my seat, explained what I wanted and basically let him just make the decisions of what to do. He put in some new foam, not much firmer than stock, (I don't know why) then a really nice and expensive gel pad, then covered it all up with a layer of neoprene, then my new purple marine grade vinyl. The cost was another $300. (he cut me some slack) I got the seat back and tested it on the ESR II trip which was about 500 miles of highway riding and about 100 off-road miles. It was better, but only by about 5%. I wasn't impressed. He said at the very beginning of this project that we may have to do this a few times to get it perfect and that he didn't mind spending the extra time to do so. We figured that others could benifit from the formula later. I gave him the seat back and months later, after my hand surgery's, his knee surgery, my vasectomy, and blah blah blah, I finally needed to get my seat back for my 6 week Oregon trip that I am leaving for on Saturday. Now during all of this off time, I got to thinking about what I really needed and wanted in a seat. I realized that as long as I was around my neck-o-the-woods, which is the majority of my riding, and off-road riding too, around here or not, that the stock seat for the most part was just fine for me. It was just too soft. I also realized that for long hauls or big mileage days, which I seem to be addicted too at times, that the stock seat was a big let down. During high mile days, I wouldn't mind the stock seat being taller, wider, and more comfortable, both firm and plush. I realized the pluses of having 2 seats to switch back and forth from like Pat does, but I didn't want to do that. For the ultimate, I wanted 2 different seats, and I wanted them both with me at all times. So how do I do that? What I decided to do was to have my seat built up to what I originally wanted, but with the right foam, and no gel. I stopped by the guys house last week just to see how it was going, and he ended up building my seat while I was there, and I got to ride his KTM 640 too. He built up my seat with a thick layer of very firm foam ontop of the thin layer of stock foam that I had left on it to keep the holes, valleys, and voids of the seat pan filled. Ontop of that he put two layers of softer foam to build height mainly in the area that comes up to the tank, and then trimmed and shaped it to the same basic stock seat demensions that I had with me on the bike. Then he wrapped one big piece of foam that was even softer over the whole thing. He then just placed a big piece of neoprene over the seat, then a piece of vinyl, and we put the seat on my bike so that I could sit on it and see how it felt. I had him do this and that, making little adjustments here and there till we had what I originally wanted. It felt sweet. It was just a tad taller only in the area where you sit mostly, just a tad wider there too, and much firmer. The rest of the seat looks basically stock, like the rear meeting up with the rack, and the horn in the front that meets the tank. The edges are even pretty close to stock too which I like, getting wider as your go back on the seat. For the highway, I also purchased a super sweet deluxe piece of sheepskin from Alaska Leathers that covers the whole horn on the front of the seat, and goes back to within 1 or 2 inches of the rear of the seat. This cover once mounted on in a few seconds, will make the seat even taller, and wider, super plush, while being warmer in the winter and cooler in the summer. When I get to where I am going on the highway, I will just pop off the sheepskin and use my revamped seat that is under the sheepskin. Presto chango, I now have 2 seats that I can carry with me, and I also now have the softest pillow for when I'm camping too. I'll keep you all updated on how it goes during my trip. MrMoose A8 (Barbie and Ken special)

[dooden]

Reckon I was tapping on a secret or something, cause I all I got back from the poster was memory foam is no good without a base. Never said what they used, but agree a seat rework is not worth that much money, figured maybe unstaple the cover, cut out some foam and replace with memory foam, or something like that. Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Crandell" wrote: > > You bring up an interesting question: Has anyone built their own > seat? If so, what works and what doesn't? I saw Dr. Gregory's > custom seat in the latest MCN, and I thought.. "Yeah, no why don't I > do something like that?" I have a dipped Corbin that I like, and > would use on any off-road rides, but would like to make a touring > saddle like a Russel, but without the $$ involved. Can I just find > some good foam, and then have an upholster make a cover?? > > Just fishin' for ideas, winter up here is WAY too long.. > > Ron in MN > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Lee Bunce" > wrote: > > > > > > Hello I have seen a few peolpe talking about seats so I thought I > > > would throw my two bits in .Im not soliciting for work but I > build > > > KLR seats like the corbin Im an upholster and have developed > these > > > seats that work great I have sold lots of them and never had a > > > complaint. My seat for example is 1' lower and it does make a > huge > > > difference in not only being able to touch the ground but also > lowers > > > your center of gravaty. The seats are wider in the back and still > > > stock width in front.All you have to do is send me your seat pan > or > > > the whole seat and I build what ever you like for 165.00 > Canadian. OK > > > maybe I am soliciting for work . Im sorry but , If you want more > info > > > and pictures email me , DrLee > > > > > > Ps hopely the moderator wont scold me. > > > > At a minimun he should remind you that Fridays are vendor days on > this > > list, so if you have a website or photos/files you would like to > show > > and tell do get them ready and post friday as to where they can be > seen. > > > > But must ask, what are you using for foam ? I see Wallyworld has > > Memory foam pillows for about $15 USD, I thought about using one of > > them and cutting it to fit and restapling the cover down, or just > use > > some of this material I have on hand. But its a metallic Blue and > > would not go well with a silver and green bike (Best color) > > > > Piece of Cake... > > > > Dooden > > A15 Green Ape

[Chris]

Dooden wrote:

> > Reckon I was tapping on a secret or something, cause I all I got back > from the poster was memory foam is no good without a base. > > Never said what they used, but agree a seat rework is not worth that > much money, figured maybe unstaple the cover, cut out some foam and > replace with memory foam, or something like that. > > Dooden > A15 Green Ape >

One of many things I haven't gotten to try yet, but I'm going to try using closed cell or mini cell foam. This type of foam is nice and firm and is used often for kayak seats. It won't absorb water which is a definite plus for a bike seat and it's comfortable enough for 5hr completely immobile sessions in a kayak so it sounds perfect to me. It's similar to the foam used for the 'swimming noodle' things they sell at pool stores and used for floats for various pool toys. Another plus is, because it's firm it shapes with a surform shaper or rasp pretty nicely and finishes off with sandpaper.

[Joseph Jones]

-I went to an upholestry store and all the foam they had was too soft. My brother used to work at laying carpet, so I am going to get several pieces of carpet padding (diffrent densities) and glue them to the stock pan and try that. I am thinking the diffrent density layers will make a suitable place to park my rear. Joe SE KY -- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" wrote:

> > Reckon I was tapping on a secret or something, cause I all I got

back

> from the poster was memory foam is no good without a base. > > Never said what they used, but agree a seat rework is not worth that > much money, figured maybe unstaple the cover, cut out some foam and > replace with memory foam, or something like that. > > Dooden > A15 Green Ape > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Crandell" wrote: > > > > You bring up an interesting question: Has anyone built their own > > seat? If so, what works and what doesn't? I saw Dr. Gregory's > > custom seat in the latest MCN, and I thought.. "Yeah, no why

don't I

> > do something like that?" I have a dipped Corbin that I like, and > > would use on any off-road rides, but would like to make a touring > > saddle like a Russel, but without the $$ involved. Can I just

find

> > some good foam, and then have an upholster make a cover?? > > > > Just fishin' for ideas, winter up here is WAY too long.. > > > > Ron in MN > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" wrote: > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Lee Bunce" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello I have seen a few peolpe talking about seats so I

thought I

> > > > would throw my two bits in .Im not soliciting for work but I > > build > > > > KLR seats like the corbin Im an upholster and have developed > > these > > > > seats that work great I have sold lots of them and never had

a

> > > > complaint. My seat for example is 1' lower and it does make a > > huge > > > > difference in not only being able to touch the ground but

also

> > lowers > > > > your center of gravaty. The seats are wider in the back and

still

> > > > stock width in front.All you have to do is send me your seat

pan

> > or > > > > the whole seat and I build what ever you like for 165.00 > > Canadian. OK > > > > maybe I am soliciting for work . Im sorry but , If you want

more

> > info > > > > and pictures email me , DrLee > > > > > > > > Ps hopely the moderator wont scold me. > > > > > > At a minimun he should remind you that Fridays are vendor days

on

> > this > > > list, so if you have a website or photos/files you would like

to

> > show > > > and tell do get them ready and post friday as to where they can

be

> > seen. > > > > > > But must ask, what are you using for foam ? I see Wallyworld

has

> > > Memory foam pillows for about $15 USD, I thought about using

one of

> > > them and cutting it to fit and restapling the cover down, or

just

> > use > > > some of this material I have on hand. But its a metallic Blue

and

> > > would not go well with a silver and green bike (Best color) > > > > > > Piece of Cake... > > > > > > Dooden > > > A15 Green Ape

[Alan L Henderson]

Joseph Jones wrote:

> > -I went to an upholestry store and all the foam they had was too > soft. My brother used to work at laying carpet, so I am going to get > several pieces of carpet padding (diffrent densities) and glue them > to the stock pan and try that. I am thinking the diffrent density > layers will make a suitable place to park my rear. > Joe SE KY >

I used high quality uniform density carpet pad, 4 or 5 layers. Don't glue them to start with then you can experiment more easily. I made my own seat base and the foam still isn't glued down. I road the bike to central Colorado with no foam shifting problems. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa