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[Bill Watson]

When it comes to making decisions, DATA rules. I've enjoyed this thread and the hard data that Keith S (Mr. Moose) and Bogdan, among others have provided. Incredible chain life with only the use of WD-40. Gotta love it, that really is easy and clean. One clarifying statement though. I believe this entire discussion is about using WD-40 on O-RING (or X-ring, etc) chains, correct? All of your data is on a chain that has a rubber ring somehow containing factory lube, so all you have to do it keep the o-ring from deteriorating... I think some readers might have jumped ahead to think that your data could be extrapolated to imply that a traditional chain would also have long life with WD-40, which I believe would not be the case. Bill Watson --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! Try it today! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[John Kokola]

I haven't seen any evidence either way, but I think that the rollers need lubrication as well. Since they don't bear the same kind of loads that the pins (the part that is permanently lubricated on an O/X-ring chain) do, their lubrication needs are probably different. Though I'm in the WD-40 camp, I'm not sure that the rollers wouldn't benefit from a better lube. (This is why I occasionally lube with gear oil.) --John Kokola

> -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Watson [mailto:gcurve2000@...] > > When it comes to making decisions, DATA rules. I've enjoyed this > thread and the hard data that Keith S (Mr. Moose) and Bogdan, > among others have provided. Incredible chain life with only the > use of WD-40. Gotta love it, that really is easy and clean.

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[Keith Saltzer]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Bill Watson wrote:

> When it comes to making decisions, DATA rules. I've enjoyed this >thread and the hard data that Keith S (Mr. Moose) and Bogdan, among >others have provided. Incredible chain life with only the use of WD- >40. Gotta love it, that really is easy and clean.

Thanks. And I agree whole heartedly about lovin the simple, cheap, easy, and clean part. That's why I brought the topic up. I don't think it gets any better than this for chain maintanence.

> One clarifying statement though. I believe this entire discussion > is about using WD-40 on O-RING (or X-ring, etc) chains, correct?

Yes, it is. That is why I started this thread with the very first sentence saying "I just spent the better part of the last 8 hours searching online for anything I could find having to do with cleaning/oiling/lubing O-ring and X-ring chains". But I'm sure repeating it is not a waste of time.

> I think some readers might have jumped ahead to think that your >data could be extrapolated to imply that a traditional chain would >also have long life with WD-40, which I believe would not be the >case.

Well, it certainly would need a lot more soakings with the stuff, but I would imagine that it would do pretty well too. After all, WD-40 DOES clean and lube the chain, without sticky goop to attract dirt and grime. So who knows. I've gone through 5 non O-ring chains lubed with gear oil every 200-300 miles and only got around 4000-7000 miles out of them. MrMoose A8 (Barbie and Ken special)

[john hickman]

something I havn't heard about: rear brake pad wear. anything leaving that chain gets on the brake rotor. I'm on my third set of rear brake pads in 18000 miles. When I was lubing chain with heavy oil I was constantly draging the rear brake to clean the rotor. Am I the only one? -----Original Message----- From: Don Van Dyke [SMTP:Moto@...] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 10:48 AM To: John Biccum; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] WD-40 as chain lube Where on your KLR did you tap into the vacuum? Does your Scottoiler apply oil to one side or both sides of the sprocket? At 01:12 AM 12/18/2004 -0800, John Biccum wrote:

>I have to preface this with a disclaimer: I'm a frugal so and so, a >tightwad, I have a firm grip on my wallet. > >I resisted spending the money for a Scottoiler for waaay to long. But now >that I have been running one for 5,000 miles all I can say is "Why didn't I >do this when I first got the bike?" I put the Scottoiler on just after >installing a new driveline (DID gold X-Ring chain, OEM countershaft. OEM >sprocket). I adjusted the chain when it was first installed and have not >had to touch it since. No adjustments for stretch (there has been no >stretch), no lube, no cleaning. I just top off the Scottoiler reservoir >every 500 miles or so and ride! > >I'd bet that the device would eventually pay for itself in chains, >countersharts etc. not having to be replaced, but I don't even care about >the economics of it. It just automagically does it job and I'm enjoying not >having to worry about chain maintenence. I'm still using the one liter >bottle of scottoil lube that came with the oiler but I will switch to ATF or >maybe chainsaw bar oil when the liter bottle is finally finished. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "revmaaatin" >To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 22:32 >Subject: [DSN_klr650] WD-40 as chain lube > > > > > > > > SNIP > > But does WD-40 need to be applied more frequently > >> than regular chain lube > >> > to keep a chain lubricated? Will a chain used > >> only on the street do well > >> > with WD-40 if it is lubricated at 500 mile > >> intervals? > > > > Sorry for the snip, it was taken out of the long series > > of "discussions" so it is SNIP with out attribution, because it had > > no attribution in the previous snip. > > > > I'm thinking this WD-40 thread is not about what is the best > > lube/cleaner but the real issue is doing the maintenance necessary to > > make the beast, best. Just curious, as I am no rocket scientist > > either, but Why would you trust your chain lube for 500 miles? How > > about this, Every time you park your bike for the night, lube the > > chain, even if it was for a 40 or a 100 mile ride. Put it on its > > center stand,(best farkle for the money)and lube the chain with WD- > > 40. and how about this: Buy gas, lube the chain. WD-40 is cheap. > > Buy the Walmart variety, it is even cheaper. Cheaper than chains and > > sprockets. Last summer on the great divide ride, we followed those > > guide lines. Lube, lube often. No chain problems, and it gave you a > > chance to look at some of the critical elements on your bike. and if > > my caluculations are correct, it will allow you to countersteer into > > the next boulder, rut, ditch, badger hole with a faster, cleaner > > chain! Then, all your DR and GS buddies then can say,"Boy he/she sure > > can countersteer into that boulder/rut/ditch/badger hole much faster > > with WD-40 than chain wax,etal." > > revmaaatin. > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

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[Doug Herr]

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004, John Hickman wrote:

> something I havn't heard about: rear brake pad wear. > > anything leaving that chain gets on the brake rotor. I'm on my > third set of rear brake pads in 18000 miles. When I was lubing > chain with heavy oil I was constantly draging the rear brake to > clean the rotor. Am I the only one?

Seems odd. The black plastic chain cover should stop that from happening. I have never noticed any chain lube fling off getting that far over to the right -- Doug Herr doug@...

[Judson D. Jones]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Doug Herr wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Dec 2004, John Hickman wrote: > > > something I havn't heard about: rear brake pad wear. > > > > anything leaving that chain gets on the brake rotor. I'm on my > > third set of rear brake pads in 18000 miles. When I was lubing > > chain with heavy oil I was constantly draging the rear brake to > > clean the rotor. Am I the only one? > > Seems odd. The black plastic chain cover should stop that from > happening. I have never noticed any chain lube fling off getting > that far over to the right >

The higher-density lubes have a propensity for axial dispersion.

[Doug Herr]

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Judson D. Jones wrote:

> The higher-density lubes have a propensity for axial dispersion.

Yikes. If lube is getting over to the brake pads with heavy chain lube then that would be enough reason to go with WD40 even if it did *not* work well. I know this is just the rear brakes, but still, I would not want anything on there that messed with braking in any way. I was going to do a chain lube today (WD40) and will check very closely to see how close the fling gets to my brake. -- Doug Herr doug@...

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

At 8:04 AM -0800 12/19/04, Doug Herr wrote:

>On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Judson D. Jones wrote: > >> The higher-density lubes have a propensity for axial dispersion. > >Yikes. If lube is getting over to the brake pads with heavy >chain lube then that would be enough reason to go with WD40...

No offense, but I think that's horse crap. I just can't wait for someone's windy reply to show us the physics of this one, and then some more windbaggery to either counter or reinforce it. Mark

[Judson D. Jones]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote:

> At 8:04 AM -0800 12/19/04, Doug Herr wrote: > >On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Judson D. Jones wrote: > > > >> The higher-density lubes have a propensity for axial dispersion. > > > >Yikes. If lube is getting over to the brake pads with heavy > >chain lube then that would be enough reason to go with WD40... > > No offense, but I think that's horse crap. > I just can't wait for someone's windy reply to show us the physics of > this one, and then some more windbaggery to either counter or > reinforce it.

Neither can I, but I'm already having trout for breakfast. Sorry, Doug. I didn't think anyone would actually bite on that one. But if you analyze the droplet as a waveform rather than aparticle...

[J Fortner]

Not to beat this horse anymore but... You probably already know this. WD 40 is a solvent. WD 40 will flush dirt/grit out of the x or o-ring surfaces. Flushing and wiping the dirt/grit off the chain is what extends chain life. WD 40 will leave a very fine film behind after cleaning providing a bit of protection. The lubes I have used just attracted dirt/grit reducing chain life. Jim