pilot screw screwed...

[Keith Saltzer]

I just spent the better part of the last 8 hours searching online for anything I could find having to do with cleaning/oiling/lubing O-ring and X-ring chains. I read A LOT of stuff. I even got onto WD-40's website for a while. While reading, I kept finding the same things over and over and over and over again, like: 1. Guys using sticky name brand spray lubes had gunk collect all over their chains, bikes, tires, and sometimes clothes. 2. These same guys hated the mess it made putting it on, hated cleaning the mess up, hated how many steps they went through and how much time they spent to go through the process of their chain maintanence. 3. LOTS of guys were using WD-40 only to clean/lube their chains with no mess, in one step, and they loved it. 4. These same guys were telling countless stories about how "the most miles they ever got out of a chain" were while they were only using WD-40. These milage figures were usually in the 15,000-30,000 mile range. Some of them higher. A lot of the bikes were high horsepower bikes as well. I was actually pretty surprised at how the guys using only WD-40 raved about it. I did read a lot of guys saying stuff like, "WD-40 will eat your rings", and "WD-40 is not a good enough lube" and on and on. But you know what? Not once did I read about a guys chain having problems that was only treated with WD-40. Not one ring missing, not one problem with rust, not one story about having to adjust the chain more often. In fact, they said that they adjusted them less. I never read a rave review about someone using sticky stuff, or wax, or any other name brand product. Some guys used gear oil with good results, but it was still messy. Lots of mechanics recommended WD-40 to other riders, and some mechanics even mentioned that the chains that they saw that were the cleanest, least abused best looking chains on their customers bikes were only treated with WD-40. The company's website says that the stuff was created in 1953 when a small company with 3 employees set out to create a line of rust- prevention solvants and degreasers for use in the aerospace industry. It was on the 40th try that they found the Water Displacement formula and hence the name WD-40. Then they used the stuff all over the Atlas missle to protect it from rust and corrosion. Did you know all that? I didn't. I am one of these guys that has used non O-ring chains on the KLR to get more HP to the ground, with a lot of extra work. I lubed it with sticky stuff for a while, then moved on to just gear oil. Then moved on to a cheap O-ring chain that was better, but not by much at all. I was still lubing with gear oil. It worked ok, but was still messy and still collected stuff on the chain. Off road was the worst of course. Then I went to a really good DID X-ring chain (online I found a bunch of raves about it too) and am now only using WD-40 on it to clean it after riding in the dirt, and I will use it to clean the chain when it needs it. But that is turning out to be not that often. I said in earlier posts that I am not lubing my chain at all, except when I cleaned it with the WD-40, but I guess that is not quite correct. As I read tonight that although WD-40 is considered to be a "light" lubricant, it is still a lubricant. I read that it's lubricant will stick well to the chain, and still in fact be there for some time, even though the chain seems to be "dry". So far, I'm really liking what I'm experiencing with the stuff. MrMoose A8 (Barbie and Ken special)

[Conall]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Saltzer" wrote:

> The company's website says that the stuff was created in 1953 when

a

> small company with 3 employees set out to create a line of rust- > prevention solvants and degreasers for use in the aerospace > industry. It was on the 40th try that they found the Water > Displacement formula and hence the name WD-40. Then they used the > stuff all over the Atlas missle to protect it from rust and > corrosion. Did you know all that? I didn't. > MrMoose > A8 (Barbie and Ken special)

In Mexico, WD-50 is available, took them 50 tries to get the formula. Different company. :^) Conall

[John Kokola]

That describes my CBR1000F. Been using WD-40, and occasionally 75W90 gear oil as well. 25k out of a DID X-ring so far. Haven't had to adjust it in several thousand miles, it's got no 'sticky links,' and it's a clean chain. --John Kokola FWIW

> -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Saltzer [mailto:k.saltzer@...] > > 4. These same guys were telling countless stories about how "the most > miles they ever got out of a chain" were while they were only using > WD-40. These milage figures were usually in the 15,000-30,000 mile > range. Some of them higher. A lot of the bikes were high horsepower > bikes as well.

[Rodney Copeland]

I tried the WD40 regement for the first 10,000 miles on my new KLR. I noticed very loose rollers and went to some lubes that left me with ungodly messes on the back of my head. I did manage to get 20,000 out of my chain and rear sprocket. I noticed a few rollers missin shortly after. I'll update with the results of a new Xring and both sprockets. I'll try wax for this round. Pretty sure if you feel the chain after a ride to get a temperature readin, you'll see that WD40 ain't workin for lubin your chain. Anyone thinkin about no lube, will quickly see the gauling takin place on the rollers and know they are destroying their chain and sprockets. Rod

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Saltzer" wrote: > > I just spent the better part of the last 8 hours searching online for > anything I could find having to do with cleaning/oiling/lubing O-ring > and X-ring chains. > > I read A LOT of stuff. I even got onto WD-40's website for a while. > > While reading, I kept finding the same things over and over and over > and over again, like: > > 1. Guys using sticky name brand spray lubes had gunk collect all over > their chains, bikes, tires, and sometimes clothes. > > 2. These same guys hated the mess it made putting it on, hated > cleaning the mess up, hated how many steps they went through and how > much time they spent to go through the process of their chain > maintanence. > > 3. LOTS of guys were using WD-40 only to clean/lube their chains with > no mess, in one step, and they loved it. > > 4. These same guys were telling countless stories about how "the most > miles they ever got out of a chain" were while they were only using > WD-40. These milage figures were usually in the 15,000-30,000 mile > range. Some of them higher. A lot of the bikes were high horsepower > bikes as well. > > I was actually pretty surprised at how the guys using only WD-40 > raved about it. I did read a lot of guys saying stuff like, "WD-40 > will eat your rings", and "WD-40 is not a good enough lube" and on > and on. But you know what? Not once did I read about a guys chain > having problems that was only treated with WD-40. Not one ring > missing, not one problem with rust, not one story about having to > adjust the chain more often. In fact, they said that they adjusted > them less. I never read a rave review about someone using sticky > stuff, or wax, or any other name brand product. Some guys used gear > oil with good results, but it was still messy. Lots of mechanics > recommended WD-40 to other riders, and some mechanics even mentioned > that the chains that they saw that were the cleanest, least abused > best looking chains on their customers bikes were only treated with > WD-40. > > The company's website says that the stuff was created in 1953 when a > small company with 3 employees set out to create a line of rust- > prevention solvants and degreasers for use in the aerospace > industry. It was on the 40th try that they found the Water > Displacement formula and hence the name WD-40. Then they used the > stuff all over the Atlas missle to protect it from rust and > corrosion. Did you know all that? I didn't. > > I am one of these guys that has used non O-ring chains on the KLR to > get more HP to the ground, with a lot of extra work. I lubed it with > sticky stuff for a while, then moved on to just gear oil. Then moved > on to a cheap O-ring chain that was better, but not by much at all. > I was still lubing with gear oil. It worked ok, but was still messy > and still collected stuff on the chain. Off road was the worst of > course. Then I went to a really good DID X-ring chain (online I > found a bunch of raves about it too) and am now only using WD-40 on > it to clean it after riding in the dirt, and I will use it to clean > the chain when it needs it. But that is turning out to be not that > often. I said in earlier posts that I am not lubing my chain at all, > except when I cleaned it with the WD-40, but I guess that is not > quite correct. As I read tonight that although WD-40 is considered > to be a "light" lubricant, it is still a lubricant. I read that it's > lubricant will stick well to the chain, and still in fact be there > for some time, even though the chain seems to be "dry". So far, I'm > really liking what I'm experiencing with the stuff. > > MrMoose > A8 (Barbie and Ken special)

[Don Van Dyke]

Keith, on the average, about how often, in miles, do you apply WD-40 to your drive chain? Do you ride regularly in the rain? I suspect it is true that WD-40 does, at least to some degree, deteriorate the rubber X or O rings, as chain manufacturers and motorcycle magazines state. But kerosene, which DID recommends for cleaning chains, is not completely harmless to rubber either. I have long wondered if perhaps the other forces that wear out chains might not cause a chain to fail before the X or O rings wear out from the solvent in WD-40. Keith's Web search seems to indicate this might be so. But does WD-40 need to be applied more frequently than regular chain lube to keep a chain lubricated? Will a chain used only on the street do well with WD-40 if it is lubricated at 500 mile intervals? Don Van Dyke Sacramento, California Moto@... At 11:09 AM 12/17/2004 +0000, Keith Saltzer wrote:

>I just spent the better part of the last 8 hours searching online for >anything I could find having to do with cleaning/oiling/lubing O-ring >and X-ring chains. > >I read A LOT of stuff. I even got onto WD-40's website for a while. > >While reading, I kept finding the same things over and over and over >and over again, like: > >1. Guys using sticky name brand spray lubes had gunk collect all over >their chains, bikes, tires, and sometimes clothes. > >2. These same guys hated the mess it made putting it on, hated >cleaning the mess up, hated how many steps they went through and how >much time they spent to go through the process of their chain >maintanence. > >3. LOTS of guys were using WD-40 only to clean/lube their chains with >no mess, in one step, and they loved it. > >4. These same guys were telling countless stories about how "the most >miles they ever got out of a chain" were while they were only using >WD-40. These milage figures were usually in the 15,000-30,000 mile >range. Some of them higher. A lot of the bikes were high horsepower >bikes as well. > >I was actually pretty surprised at how the guys using only WD-40 >raved about it. I did read a lot of guys saying stuff like, "WD-40 >will eat your rings", and "WD-40 is not a good enough lube" and on >and on. But you know what? Not once did I read about a guys chain >having problems that was only treated with WD-40. Not one ring >missing, not one problem with rust, not one story about having to >adjust the chain more often. In fact, they said that they adjusted >them less. I never read a rave review about someone using sticky >stuff, or wax, or any other name brand product. Some guys used gear >oil with good results, but it was still messy. Lots of mechanics >recommended WD-40 to other riders, and some mechanics even mentioned >that the chains that they saw that were the cleanest, least abused >best looking chains on their customers bikes were only treated with >WD-40. > >The company's website says that the stuff was created in 1953 when a >small company with 3 employees set out to create a line of rust- >prevention solvants and degreasers for use in the aerospace >industry. It was on the 40th try that they found the Water >Displacement formula and hence the name WD-40. Then they used the >stuff all over the Atlas missle to protect it from rust and >corrosion. Did you know all that? I didn't. > >I am one of these guys that has used non O-ring chains on the KLR to >get more HP to the ground, with a lot of extra work. I lubed it with >sticky stuff for a while, then moved on to just gear oil. Then moved >on to a cheap O-ring chain that was better, but not by much at all. >I was still lubing with gear oil. It worked ok, but was still messy >and still collected stuff on the chain. Off road was the worst of >course. Then I went to a really good DID X-ring chain (online I >found a bunch of raves about it too) and am now only using WD-40 on >it to clean it after riding in the dirt, and I will use it to clean >the chain when it needs it. But that is turning out to be not that >often. I said in earlier posts that I am not lubing my chain at all, >except when I cleaned it with the WD-40, but I guess that is not >quite correct. As I read tonight that although WD-40 is considered >to be a "light" lubricant, it is still a lubricant. I read that it's >lubricant will stick well to the chain, and still in fact be there >for some time, even though the chain seems to be "dry". So far, I'm >really liking what I'm experiencing with the stuff. > >MrMoose >A8 (Barbie and Ken special)

[John Kokola]

In my experience, WD40 won't last for 500 miles. Particularly if you're riding in the rain. --John Kokola

> -----Original Message----- > From: Don Van Dyke [mailto:Moto@...] > > Will a chain used only on the street do well > with WD-40 if it is lubricated at 500 mile intervals?

[klr6501995]

O ring chains are supposed to have grease inside the orings. The pivot point. The point that transfers most of the power. (the pins don't rotate, the rollers do) WD-40 does make a good cleaner and minor lub. I started riding in Chey,WY. then shortley later ElPaso TX, then Wichita Ks and now Jax Fl. Mucho sand in the above places. My shortcuts in Jax Fl. involve dirt roads and my home parking spot runs me through sand and some rear wheel spin as I push my backyard gate open with the front wheel. Since I joined the list I started using wd-40 as a cleaner and then 80-90w gear oil as lub. I never ever until 3 years ago got 20Kmi + out of chain and sprocket sets. This inludes 3 c.s sprockets for every rear. WD-40 works. period. Wax. hmmm what is wax? Do you pour wax into motors ? I went throught several sets of sp/ch in El Paso using the PJ lubes sperm whale and all. I reckon I got on my high horse this time because in a factory enviro. that involved fiberglass dust we were lubing with some graphite lube on the chains. chains and sprockets wore fast(ran 24/7) I took it upon myself to install a oring chain on the primary drive (had to adjust start up current) and run a timed burst airline to blow that chain off of dust. We never replaced that chain sprocket combo for 1.5 years. vs 3 months. Even in this 21st century, we ain't found a better lube than OIL, 710 . Dirty ? Dude's your riding a klr.Dirty looks cool and no it don't mess you up on tight left leaners. MY BIGGEST CONCERN HAS BEEN... Sometimes I think it may be more expensive to buy wd-40 for 20Kmi + 3-5 cans. at ~3 dollars... JMHO and YMMV. oh...and buy my stuff when I advertise. --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Rodney Copeland" wrote:

> > I tried the WD40 regement for the first 10,000 miles on my new KLR. > I noticed very loose rollers and went to some lubes that left me

with

> ungodly messes on the back of my head. > I did manage to get 20,000 out of my chain and rear sprocket. > I noticed a few rollers missin shortly after. > I'll update with the results of a new Xring and both sprockets. > I'll try wax for this round. > Pretty sure if you feel the chain after a ride to get a temperature > readin, you'll see that WD40 ain't workin for lubin your chain. > Anyone thinkin about no lube, will quickly see the gauling takin

place

> on the rollers and know they are destroying their chain and

sprockets.

> Rod > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Saltzer"

wrote:

> > > > I just spent the better part of the last 8 hours searching online

for

> > anything I could find having to do with cleaning/oiling/lubing O-

ring

> > and X-ring chains. > > > > I read A LOT of stuff. I even got onto WD-40's website for a

while.

> > > > While reading, I kept finding the same things over and over and

over

> > and over again, like: > > > > 1. Guys using sticky name brand spray lubes had gunk collect all

over

> > their chains, bikes, tires, and sometimes clothes. > > > > 2. These same guys hated the mess it made putting it on, hated > > cleaning the mess up, hated how many steps they went through and

how

> > much time they spent to go through the process of their chain > > maintanence. > > > > 3. LOTS of guys were using WD-40 only to clean/lube their chains

with

> > no mess, in one step, and they loved it. > > > > 4. These same guys were telling countless stories about how "the

most

> > miles they ever got out of a chain" were while they were only

using

> > WD-40. These milage figures were usually in the 15,000-30,000

mile

> > range. Some of them higher. A lot of the bikes were high

horsepower

> > bikes as well. > > > > I was actually pretty surprised at how the guys using only WD-40 > > raved about it. I did read a lot of guys saying stuff like, "WD-

40

> > will eat your rings", and "WD-40 is not a good enough lube" and

on

> > and on. But you know what? Not once did I read about a guys

chain

> > having problems that was only treated with WD-40. Not one ring > > missing, not one problem with rust, not one story about having to > > adjust the chain more often. In fact, they said that they

adjusted

> > them less. I never read a rave review about someone using sticky > > stuff, or wax, or any other name brand product. Some guys used

gear

> > oil with good results, but it was still messy. Lots of mechanics > > recommended WD-40 to other riders, and some mechanics even

mentioned

> > that the chains that they saw that were the cleanest, least

abused

> > best looking chains on their customers bikes were only treated

with

> > WD-40. > > > > The company's website says that the stuff was created in 1953

when a

> > small company with 3 employees set out to create a line of rust- > > prevention solvants and degreasers for use in the aerospace > > industry. It was on the 40th try that they found the Water > > Displacement formula and hence the name WD-40. Then they used

the

> > stuff all over the Atlas missle to protect it from rust and > > corrosion. Did you know all that? I didn't. > > > > I am one of these guys that has used non O-ring chains on the KLR

to

> > get more HP to the ground, with a lot of extra work. I lubed it

with

> > sticky stuff for a while, then moved on to just gear oil. Then

moved

> > on to a cheap O-ring chain that was better, but not by much at

all.

> > I was still lubing with gear oil. It worked ok, but was still

messy

> > and still collected stuff on the chain. Off road was the worst

of

> > course. Then I went to a really good DID X-ring chain (online I > > found a bunch of raves about it too) and am now only using WD-40

on

> > it to clean it after riding in the dirt, and I will use it to

clean

> > the chain when it needs it. But that is turning out to be not

that

> > often. I said in earlier posts that I am not lubing my chain at

all,

> > except when I cleaned it with the WD-40, but I guess that is not > > quite correct. As I read tonight that although WD-40 is

considered

> > to be a "light" lubricant, it is still a lubricant. I read that

it's

> > lubricant will stick well to the chain, and still in fact be

there

> > for some time, even though the chain seems to be "dry". So far,

I'm

> > really liking what I'm experiencing with the stuff. > > > > MrMoose > > A8 (Barbie and Ken special)

[Keith Saltzer]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Don Van Dyke wrote:

> Keith, on the average, about how often, in miles, do you apply WD-

40 to

> your drive chain? Do you ride regularly in the rain?

Well, in 8000 miles, I've applied WD-40 to the chain after dirt riding about 5 times, and other than that, I think I hit it with some more maybe 2 or 3 times. That's it. When Fred put it on for me, he said that the worst abuse to the chain would be high heat, hard fast miles, like I was doing while coming back from Pa loaded, and doing about 75-80 mph indicated. So I hit the Loobman oiler once before I left Utah and that was it. I do/will ride in the rain but so far with this chain I have only been in rain once or twice cause I just don't see any around here most of the year.

> I suspect it is true that WD-40 does, at least to some degree,

deteriorate

> the rubber X or O rings, as chain manufacturers and motorcycle

magazines

> state. But kerosene, which DID recommends for cleaning chains, is

not

> completely harmless to rubber either.

Every time I read someone saying something about WD-40 wearing out a chain for one reason or another, it always started with "I think" or "I suspect" or something to that effect. No proof. Yet I read countless guys raving about their chains performance while using it. I also read that 2 different chain manufactures recommended it for cleaning their chains, although I didn't prove that yet. WD-40 does recommend it for cleaning/lubing chains.

> I have long wondered if perhaps the other forces that wear out

chains might

> not cause a chain to fail before the X or O rings wear out from the

solvent

> in WD-40. Keith's Web search seems to indicate this might be so. > > But does WD-40 need to be applied more frequently than regular

chain lube

> to keep a chain lubricated? Will a chain used only on the street

do well

> with WD-40 if it is lubricated at 500 mile intervals?

Right now, I'm thinking that it doesn't need it that often, but it really depends on WHERE you ride. I'm a pretty firm believer in the fact that O-ring chains (and x-w-etc) were created to seal in the factory placed lube, and that lube is the most critical. Other than that I believe that the chain does not need a lot of lube for just the rollers. If adjust properly, the rollers shouldn't be moving on the sprockets much at all, if any. And a rust/corrosion preventative is helpful too. WD-40 does both of these things. I also read and believe that chain adjustment is critical for longevity, as is making sure your sprockets and chain are in good-great condition to start with when you put on a new chain and/or sprockets. MrMoose A8 (Barbie and Ken special)

> At 11:09 AM 12/17/2004 +0000, Keith Saltzer wrote: > > > >I just spent the better part of the last 8 hours searching online

for

> >anything I could find having to do with cleaning/oiling/lubing O-

ring

> >and X-ring chains. > > > >I read A LOT of stuff. I even got onto WD-40's website for a

while.

> > > >While reading, I kept finding the same things over and over and

over

> >and over again, like: > > > >1. Guys using sticky name brand spray lubes had gunk collect all

over

> >their chains, bikes, tires, and sometimes clothes. > > > >2. These same guys hated the mess it made putting it on, hated > >cleaning the mess up, hated how many steps they went through and

how

> >much time they spent to go through the process of their chain > >maintanence. > > > >3. LOTS of guys were using WD-40 only to clean/lube their chains

with

> >no mess, in one step, and they loved it. > > > >4. These same guys were telling countless stories about how "the

most

> >miles they ever got out of a chain" were while they were only using > >WD-40. These milage figures were usually in the 15,000-30,000 mile > >range. Some of them higher. A lot of the bikes were high

horsepower

> >bikes as well. > > > >I was actually pretty surprised at how the guys using only WD-40 > >raved about it. I did read a lot of guys saying stuff like, "WD-40 > >will eat your rings", and "WD-40 is not a good enough lube" and on > >and on. But you know what? Not once did I read about a guys chain > >having problems that was only treated with WD-40. Not one ring > >missing, not one problem with rust, not one story about having to > >adjust the chain more often. In fact, they said that they adjusted > >them less. I never read a rave review about someone using sticky > >stuff, or wax, or any other name brand product. Some guys used

gear

> >oil with good results, but it was still messy. Lots of mechanics > >recommended WD-40 to other riders, and some mechanics even

mentioned

> >that the chains that they saw that were the cleanest, least abused > >best looking chains on their customers bikes were only treated with > >WD-40. > > > >The company's website says that the stuff was created in 1953 when

a

> >small company with 3 employees set out to create a line of rust- > >prevention solvants and degreasers for use in the aerospace > >industry. It was on the 40th try that they found the Water > >Displacement formula and hence the name WD-40. Then they used the > >stuff all over the Atlas missle to protect it from rust and > >corrosion. Did you know all that? I didn't. > > > >I am one of these guys that has used non O-ring chains on the KLR

to

> >get more HP to the ground, with a lot of extra work. I lubed it

with

> >sticky stuff for a while, then moved on to just gear oil. Then

moved

> >on to a cheap O-ring chain that was better, but not by much at all. > >I was still lubing with gear oil. It worked ok, but was still

messy

> >and still collected stuff on the chain. Off road was the worst of > >course. Then I went to a really good DID X-ring chain (online I > >found a bunch of raves about it too) and am now only using WD-40 on > >it to clean it after riding in the dirt, and I will use it to clean > >the chain when it needs it. But that is turning out to be not that > >often. I said in earlier posts that I am not lubing my chain at

all,

> >except when I cleaned it with the WD-40, but I guess that is not > >quite correct. As I read tonight that although WD-40 is considered > >to be a "light" lubricant, it is still a lubricant. I read that

it's

> >lubricant will stick well to the chain, and still in fact be there > >for some time, even though the chain seems to be "dry". So far,

I'm

> >really liking what I'm experiencing with the stuff. > > > >MrMoose > >A8 (Barbie and Ken special)

[klr6501995]

And oil any kind wont. oil FLOATS on water. There is nothing WRONG with hitting the chain every HALF tank of gas w/ wd-40 then gear oil from a visine dropper. If you run with the stickey stuff only sand will stick and grind the combo's up pretty quick, Besides, In my daily travels around town and Jax,Fl to Anderson, S.C I use the same regiment. Squeaky noises in 1st gear are a good inicator that the chain needs lube. In my opinion the folks who have the biggest problems w/ thier bikes are those who don't ride daily. --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "John Kokola" wrote:

> In my experience, WD40 won't last for 500 miles. Particularly if

you're

> riding in the rain. > > --John Kokola > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Don Van Dyke [mailto:Moto@i...] > > > > Will a chain used only on the street do well > > with WD-40 if it is lubricated at 500 mile intervals?

[Keith Saltzer]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Saltzer" wrote:

> Every time I read someone saying something about WD-40 wearing out > a chain for one reason or another, it always started with "I think" > or "I suspect" or something to that effect. No proof. Yet I read > countless guys raving about their chains performance while using

it.

> I also read that 2 different chain manufactures recommended it for > cleaning their chains, although I didn't prove that yet. WD-40 > does recommend it for cleaning/lubing chains.

More on the subject that I remebered later: The people saying that WD-40 was bad for chains, couldn't say what EXACTLY is was in the stuff that made it bad. The ingredients are a secret, and the website says that even the handfull of people that do know what's in it, is a secret. When you look at the website, and the thousands of things that people are using it for, you can't help but think that there is no problem using it on a chain. For instance you can spray your whole motor be it, outboard, lawn mower, car, motorcycle etc. In fact, they have a link to click on and you can watch a guy spraying the stuff ALL OVER his dirt bike motor, chain, and swingarm area. It keeps it protected from corrosion and makes getting all the mud off of it easy. http://www.wd40.com/Brands/wd40_big_blast.html There is a lot of hoses and rubber in a motor ya know. People are spraying this stuff on carpet to remove gum, clothing to remove stains, and on and on. The website says that it is safe for not only rubber, but paint, wood, plastics, and a whole array of other things. I read one thread from a group of UK folks that were talking about a test that was done over in an area of the world that has a BIG problem with road salt on the streets during the winter. (Holland?) It was said that if you rode a bike over their, and didn't have some sort of corrosion protectant on your motor, it would start to look like a mushroom in no time at all. They went on to say that there were many different products tested out in that environment to see which would hold up to the salt the best. WD-40 won hands down. I found a whole bunch of places to use it more around the house here. One of the things that I am going to try is using it on my rims. I am currently repolishing them (professional standards) while I have the wheels apart for my new spokes and nipples. I read that if you just spray this stuff on (that's easier than applying anything else that I have) and wiping it off, it will clean the rim AND coat it to protect it from getting corroded again. MrMoose A8 (Barbie and Ken special)