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[Don Van Dyke]

I know that the Dunlop D606 seems to be the preferred KLR 650 tire, but has anyone ever tried Metzeler MTZ Enduro3 Sahara tires? http://www.us.metzelermoto.com/en_85/tires/template_categorie.jhtml?selected=desc&catid=85DUALP&productid=16163&nome=MTZ_ENDURO3_SAHARA Or Metzeler MCE Karoo tires? http://www.us.metzelermoto.com/en_85/tires/template_categorie.jhtml;jsessionid=1C013LIY24YKZFYKJOPSFFA?catid=85DUALP&productid=16124 How well do D606 perform in sudden stops on the street, and in the rain? I am new to dual sport motorcycles. I have always preferred Metzeler on street bikes for their cornering capability. In my experience on a sport bikes and cruisers, Metzelers let you lean, and lean, and lean, very smoothly until your pegs or boots touch pavement, with no tendency to fall into the lean at any point. Don Van Dyke Sacramento, California Moto@... www.intellection.org

[John Thompson]

I have a the Enduro3 Sahara on the back & have about 700 mostly road miles on it. Coming from a 1st time D/S bike owner, it seems to corner better than OEM (to be expected), but I hope for the $$$, it REALLY performs. I think it is one fo the most expensive tires out there... John T

>From: Don Van Dyke >To: DSN_klr650 DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [DSN_klr650] Dunlop vs. Metzeler >Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:21:35 -0800 > > >I know that the Dunlop D606 seems to be the preferred KLR 650 tire, but has >anyone ever tried Metzeler MTZ Enduro3 Sahara tires? > >http://www.us.metzelermoto.com/en_85/tires/template_categorie.jhtml?selected=desc&catid=85DUALP&productid=16163&nome=MTZ_ENDURO3_SAHARA > >Or Metzeler MCE Karoo tires? > >http://www.us.metzelermoto.com/en_85/tires/template_categorie.jhtml;jsessionid=1C013LIY24YKZFYKJOPSFFA?catid=85DUALP&productid=16124 > >How well do D606 perform in sudden stops on the street, and in the rain? > >I am new to dual sport motorcycles. I have always preferred Metzeler on >street bikes for their cornering capability. In my experience on a sport >bikes and cruisers, Metzelers let you lean, and lean, and lean, very >smoothly until your pegs or boots touch pavement, with no tendency to fall >into the lean at any point. > >Don Van Dyke >Sacramento, California >Moto@... >www.intellection.org > > > > >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[Judson D. Jones]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Don Van Dyke wrote:

> I am new to dual sport motorcycles. I have always preferred Metzeler on > street bikes for their cornering capability. In my experience on a sport > bikes and cruisers, Metzelers let you lean, and lean, and lean, very > smoothly until your pegs or boots touch pavement, with no tendency to fall > into the lean at any point. >

It says here that Dunlops and Avons let you do the same, and outlast Metzelers by a significant margin. IMO, (based on over 30 years and 300k on boxers) Metzelers are overpriced and overrated as street tires. From what I have seen of Karoos, the same holds for their DS tires.

[Lujo Bauer]

> It says here that Dunlops and Avons let you do the same, and outlast > Metzelers by a significant margin. IMO, (based on over 30 years and 300k on > boxers) Metzelers are overpriced and overrated as street tires. From what I > have seen of Karoos, the same holds for their DS tires.

What's wrong with Karoos? They don't last terribly long but they're pretty good both on road and off (better at both than K270s, for example). Last time I bought some they were ~$100/set. In further defense of Metzelers: the Tourances on my GS are great road tires and last 14k in the front and 9k in the rear. Even at $200/set, per mile they compare OK in price with anything else I've seen. -Lujo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Tim Egersheim]

If you're looking for just street use I run Pirelli MT90 Scorpion S/T on my KLR600 (which I will be bombarding you with questions about soon enough). I was looking at the Metzelers's, but a friend that has been running the Pirelli's on his KLX650C for a few years now steered me in the Pirelli direction. My 2 cents from a list newbie. -----Original Message----- From: Lujo Bauer [mailto:lbauer@...] Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 6:04 PM To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Dunlop vs. Metzeler

> It says here that Dunlops and Avons let you do the same, and outlast > Metzelers by a significant margin. IMO, (based on over 30 years and > 300k on > boxers) Metzelers are overpriced and overrated as street tires. From > what I have seen of Karoos, the same holds for their DS tires.

What's wrong with Karoos? They don't last terribly long but they're pretty good both on road and off (better at both than K270s, for example). Last time I bought some they were ~$100/set. In further defense of Metzelers: the Tourances on my GS are great road tires and last 14k in the front and 9k in the rear. Even at $200/set, per mile they compare OK in price with anything else I've seen. -Lujo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links

[Judson D. Jones]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Lujo Bauer wrote:

> > It says here that Dunlops and Avons let you do the same, and outlast > > Metzelers by a significant margin. IMO, (based on over 30 years and

300k on

> > boxers) Metzelers are overpriced and overrated as street tires. From

what I

> > have seen of Karoos, the same holds for their DS tires. > > What's wrong with Karoos? They don't last terribly long

Bingo. but they're

> pretty good both on road and off (better at both than K270s, for > example). Last time I bought some they were ~$100/set. > > In further defense of Metzelers: the Tourances on my GS are great road > tires and last 14k in the front and 9k in the rear. Even at $200/set, > per mile they compare OK in price with anything else I've seen. >

I'd agree they're better on pavement than K270s, but certainly no better off road. The Kendas last two to three times longer.

[Eric L. Green]

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Tim Egersheim wrote:

> If you're looking for just street use I run Pirelli MT90 Scorpion S/T on my > KLR600 (which I will be bombarding you with questions about soon enough). I > was looking at the Metzelers's, but a friend that has been running the > Pirelli's on his KLX650C for a few years now steered me in the Pirelli > direction.

For street use, the Kenda 761 seems to work quite well. Very sticky on-road and supposedly will handle gravel better than Metzeler Tourances (not that this is saying much, my bike had Tourances on it when I bought it and they were utterly useless on anything but pavement). I have some Kings KT-966's in my garage for dirt duty, but am thinking of retiring them in favor of Kenda 270's, which are cheaper and work better in the dirt. But the 761's are much nicer for commuting -- they work well in the rain, stick like glue, and they don't whine. -E

[kdxkawboy@aol.com]

In a message dated 2004-12-17 12:30:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, Moto@... writes:

> > I know that the Dunlop D606 seems to be the preferred KLR 650 tire, but has > anyone ever tried Metzeler MTZ Enduro3 Sahara tires? > > http://www.us.metzelermoto.com/en_85/tires/template_categorie.jhtml?selected= > desc&catid=85DUALP&productid=16163&nome=MTZ_ENDURO3_SAHARA > > Or Metzeler MCE Karoo tires? > > http://www.us.metzelermoto.com/en_85/tires/template_categorie.jhtml;jsessioni > d=1C013LIY24YKZFYKJOPSFFA?catid=85DUALP&productid=16124 > > How well do D606 perform in sudden stops on the street, and in the rain? > > I am new to dual sport motorcycles. I have always preferred Metzeler on > street bikes for their cornering capability. In my experience on a sport > bikes and cruisers, Metzelers let you lean, and lean, and lean, very > smoothly until your pegs or boots touch pavement, with no tendency to fall > into the lean at any point. > > Don Van Dyke >

I have yet to try the Karoos but can give you my feelings about the IRC GP1 Sahara 3606 The Sahara 3 is not quite as good as the GP1, on the street or in the dirt, but I can get about 2000 miles more from a Sahara than a GP1. And with a touring load the Saharas get a whole lot better in the dirt. I also found they took about 20 miles to get warmed up and start feeling right, until then they have a little bit of a push. The 606 works great on a KLR in the dirt, not so great on the street. Its not a bad street tire, but there is no way I would try to push them as hard as I can push the GP1s. Then again there is no way I would try to push the GP1s as hard in the dirt as I can the 606s. Pat G'ville, Nv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[klrdon@aol.com]

Someone's suggestion on TIG welder got me interested, welding aluminum, steel, stainless etc. Are there any TIG ac/dc/stick welders that are recommended that do not require a 70 amp circuit for power? Looked into the LIncoln 185 but it requires as much amperage as 2 house AC units (Only at max draw) and weighs in at 250 lbs. Can the stick welding capacity be higher than that of the TIG capacity, ie. pull less amps and weld thicker steel than in the TIG mode? Is the high frequency arc starter a good option? Any guidance is appreciated. Don M Atlanta, GA A16 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Lujo Bauer]

> > I'd agree they're better on pavement than K270s, but certainly no > better off > road. The Kendas last two to three times longer. arithmetic. For my money, it's no contest.

My experience with tire wear was different. For me the Kendas lasted at most 50% longer than the Karoos, and I liked the Karoos better off road (and on). Also, the Karoos have a *really* stiff carcass, which was something that I was looking for. -Lujo