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[denis@teachlinux.com]

Kelly, We here in Los Alamos have better small town politics.. Don't know if you have read any of the papers on it.. I keep asking myself how a state could be so backwards.. I don't mind going to Espanola, 285 still sucks.. Denis

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Kelly Walsh wrote: > I agree. I was the marketing director for The > MarketPlace Natural Grocery until I went solo, and > they will get stung next year when it goes up to 9 > something or other. They already started people at 8, > so the hit this year wasn't as bad. But in the coming > years, I can see a trend towards the smaller guys > eventually being affected. As far as more "box" stores > moving outside the city limits, the county is in NO > hurry to grant them permits, so if they leave, yeah, > they gotta go to Rio Arriba, Heroin Capital of Hte > USA. Espanola can have them. Actually, I lived in El > Rancho for some time and loved it, but the commute to > SF during the 285 shitstrom was more than I wanted to > deal with. > > Lowe's however... they were patently declined a > building permit in Santa Fe. Seems the Home Depot > people have some friends on the Shitty Council > (probably that Pfeffer asshole). Small town politics > is alive and well here in Santa Fe! > > Kelly > --- denis@... wrote: > > > > > > > And you are now watching most companies move out of > > Santa Fe into > > Espanola. Lowe's, and Home Depot, wait for Target > > and SAM'S to leave also. > > > > Time will tell if the living wage really did any > > good. I'm betting it's > > going to cause Santa Fe more economic decline. > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Kelly Walsh wrote: > > > > > > > > Here in Santa Fe, the city just passed a living > > wage > > > ordinance. Any business with 25 or more employees > > must > > > start people at $8.50 an hour. At first their was > > some > > > bitching and moaning, but the ones doing the > > loudest > > > yelling were the companies who could afford to pay > > > their people better anyway. > > > > > > Still, in Santa Fe, $8.50 doesn't get you much. > > That's > > > why I'm self-employed (or is that terminally > > > unemployed?). It's easier to get the boss to give > > me > > > more money. He can be an asshole sometimes, > > however. > > > --- Dirk Beer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > > > > A business is a private enterprise, there is > > no > > > > freedom of speech > > > > > there. And what entitles a person to job > > > > security? I have a PhD from > > > > > > > > i agree with you on both of these... > > > > > > > > > My view (which I probably shouldn't post) is > > that > > > > there is no "right" to > > > > > children, and if you can't afford them, you > > > > shouldn't have them. (Of > > > > > > > > Seems pretty harsh to me, considering how many > > > > couples need two > > > > incomes to have a good standard of living. > > > > > > > > and for women, it's not neccesarily a matter of > > > > being able to afford > > > > children, but of having to choose between a > > career > > > > and children. > > > > without a reasonable amount of maternity leave, > > and > > > > some assurance of > > > > being able to continue their job, they pretty > > much > > > > have to choose one > > > > or the other. > > > > > > > > > And I've heard about how good socialized > > health > > > > care is in some > > > > > "first-world" countries. Our system may not > > be > > > > the best, but it does > > > > > have an upside. The biggest problem is the > > volume > > > > of lawsuits brought > > > > > up by people who just can't accept that > > sometimes, > > > > shit happens. The > > > > > amount of malpractice insurance that is > > required > > > > pushes a doctor's costs > > > > > through the roof, and drives some to quit > > > > outright. > > > > > > > > What is the upside? > > > > > > > > And as I understand it, the major reason for our > > > > expensive healthcare > > > > is drug prices, not malpractice insurance. > > > > > > > > > fact that people want the cheapest stuff they > > can > > > > buy. And what's wrong > > > > > with entry-level jobs? What entitles a > > register > > > > clerk to huge > > > > > benefits? Heck, why don't we just raise the > > > > minimum wage to $100/hr, so > > > > > we can all live in style! Woo hoo! > > > > > > > > Nothing wrong with entry level jobs... > > > > > > > > For what it's worth, in California (and probably > > > > most states) the > > > > minimum wage adjusted for inflation is actually > > > > quite a bit lower > > > > than it used to be. > > > > > > > > Dirk > > > > A18 > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > > > > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of > > Chris > > > > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris > > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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[John Kokola]

I'm trying hard to stay out of all of this, but I couldn't agree more with what you've said here. --John Kokola vote early, vote often

> -----Original Message----- > From: Giorgio Trucco [mailto:GTRUCCO1@...] > > What strikes me is that most (or at least many) Americans who strongly > defend the "way things are", have never really come to know other > systems. > And it's not hard to understand why. > With 15 days of PTO a year (because you have no rights in a private > enterprise, right?), it's hard to spend 5 weeks in Finland, or France, > or Switzerland, or Holland and still have a job when you come back. > So most of them will just afford a trip to Vegas, or Hawaii, where they > won't find anything with the potential to challenge their believes.

[Conall]

yeah, I sold my old domain name to another website, big deal. MASH would still be in business even without me transferring the domain name. Happy Trails is not going out of business because of MASH and in fact Tim has expanded his product line to the BMW market, and is probably even better off today than before he had the competition. when one door closes, another door opens if you're resourceful enough. Besides I can think of worse ways to make a living.... BTW I placed a ad banner for klr650.com on my website in exchange for some German made MEFO sport knobbies, has anyone else tried them yet? http://www.klr650.com/MEFO%20Sport%20Tires.htm Conall-

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Chris Krok wrote: > I can't believe I'm jumping into this. Not that I think it's wrong from > some moral high ground, but I'm just too damn busy at work! > > > From: "Conall" > > Subject: Re: NKLR Why libs shouldn't vote for Kerry > > > (in response to CA Stu's post) > > > > Wow, instead of making $20 a hr. Wal-mart has pushed the wages down > > to $6-$10/hr. (...blah blah blah) Forcing their suppliers to offshore > > all manufacturing or lose the right to do business with them. > > This is pretty funny coming from a guy who sold his KLR650.com domain to > a company that sells cheap knock-offs of KLR parts originally made by > small American businesses. Wal-Mart's success is also driven by the > fact that people want the cheapest stuff they can buy. And what's wrong > with entry-level jobs? What entitles a register clerk to huge > benefits? Heck, why don't we just raise the minimum wage to $100/hr, so > we can all live in style! Woo hoo! > > Krokko > -- > Dr. J. Christopher Krok > John Lucas Adaptive Wind Tunnel > Caltech MS 205-45, Pasadena, CA 91125

[rm@richardmay.net]

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Dirk Beer wrote:

>>My view (which I probably shouldn't post) is that there is no "right" to >>children, and if you can't afford them, you shouldn't have them. (Of >Seems pretty harsh to me, considering how many couples need two incomes >to have a good standard of living. >and for women, it's not neccesarily a matter of being able to afford >children, but of having to choose between a career and children. without >a reasonable amount of maternity leave, and some assurance of eing able >to continue their job, they pretty much have to choose one or the other.

Dirk, what are you proposing? Do we pay women to NOT work? You're damn right there's a choice involved, and that's exactly how it should be. Children are an expensive and private hobby, and it's not up to the gummint, bidniz, or the taxpayers to subsidize fertilla's SUV, her HDTV, or her stainless appliances. Or her brats. RM

[dooden]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, rm@r... wrote:

> > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Dirk Beer wrote: > > >>My view (which I probably shouldn't post) is that there is no

"right" to

> >>children, and if you can't afford them, you shouldn't have them. (Of > > >Seems pretty harsh to me, considering how many couples need two

incomes

> >to have a good standard of living. > > >and for women, it's not neccesarily a matter of being able to afford > >children, but of having to choose between a career and children.

without

> >a reasonable amount of maternity leave, and some assurance of eing

able

> >to continue their job, they pretty much have to choose one or the

other.

> > Dirk, what are you proposing? Do we pay women to NOT work? You're

damn

> right there's a choice involved, and that's exactly how it should be. > Children are an expensive and private hobby, and it's not up to the > gummint, bidniz, or the taxpayers to subsidize fertilla's SUV, her

HDTV,

> or her stainless appliances. Or her brats. > > RM

Amen Brother.... I have to pay for my brats, then soak them in beer followed by a nice slow boil then off to the grill. Mmmmmmmm Mmmmmmm like mine crispy with mustard. Dooden A15 Green Ape

[WILLAM GILMORE]

Dooden - I take exception to your comment. You forgot to add butter and onions to the beer! Dooden wrote:

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, rm@r... wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Dirk Beer wrote: > > >>My view (which I probably shouldn't post) is that there is no "right" to > >>children, and if you can't afford them, you shouldn't have them. (Of > > >Seems pretty harsh to me, considering how many couples need two incomes > >to have a good standard of living. > > >and for women, it's not neccesarily a matter of being able to afford > >children, but of having to choose between a career and children. without > >a reasonable amount of maternity leave, and some assurance of eing able > >to continue their job, they pretty much have to choose one or the other. > > Dirk, what are you proposing? Do we pay women to NOT work? You're damn > right there's a choice involved, and that's exactly how it should be. > Children are an expensive and private hobby, and it's not up to the > gummint, bidniz, or the taxpayers to subsidize fertilla's SUV, her HDTV, > or her stainless appliances. Or her brats. > > RM Amen Brother.... I have to pay for my brats, then soak them in beer followed by a nice slow boil then off to the grill. Mmmmmmmm Mmmmmmm like mine crispy with mustard. Dooden A15 Green Ape List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Judson D. Jones]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, rm@r... wrote: > > > > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Dirk Beer wrote: > > > > >>My view (which I probably shouldn't post) is that there is no > "right" to > > >>children, and if you can't afford them, you shouldn't have them. (Of > > > > >Seems pretty harsh to me, considering how many couples need two > incomes > > >to have a good standard of living. > > > > >and for women, it's not neccesarily a matter of being able to afford > > >children, but of having to choose between a career and children. > without > > >a reasonable amount of maternity leave, and some assurance of eing > able > > >to continue their job, they pretty much have to choose one or the > other. > > > > Dirk, what are you proposing? Do we pay women to NOT work? You're > damn > > right there's a choice involved, and that's exactly how it should be. > > Children are an expensive and private hobby, and it's not up to the > > gummint, bidniz, or the taxpayers to subsidize fertilla's SUV, her > HDTV, > > or her stainless appliances. Or her brats. > > > > RM > > Amen Brother.... > > I have to pay for my brats, then soak them in beer followed by a nice > slow boil then off to the grill. Mmmmmmmm Mmmmmmm like mine crispy > with mustard. >

That would seem to be a modest proposal.

[nakedwaterskier]

Children should be ground into fertilizer! There are too many people on the fwy already.

[Dirk Beer]

> >>My view (which I probably shouldn't post) is that there is no "right" to > >>children, and if you can't afford them, you shouldn't have them. (Of > > >Seems pretty harsh to me, considering how many couples need two incomes > >to have a good standard of living. > > >and for women, it's not neccesarily a matter of being able to afford > >children, but of having to choose between a career and children. without > >a reasonable amount of maternity leave, and some assurance of eing able > >to continue their job, they pretty much have to choose one or the other. > > Dirk, what are you proposing? Do we pay women to NOT work? You're damn > right there's a choice involved, and that's exactly how it should be. > Children are an expensive and private hobby, and it's not up to the > gummint, bidniz, or the taxpayers to subsidize fertilla's SUV, her HDTV, > or her stainless appliances. Or her brats.

I'm just saying that for the relatively small cost of guaranteeing women some time off, and a job when they get back, we can improve the situation so that you don't have to be wealthy to have children. How they get paid during that time is their problem, one possibility is them buying disability insurance. It seems to me if we keep bragging about how US workers are the most productive in the world, and our economy is so productive, and we claim that we have the highest standard of living in the world, then why can't we afford to have basic social benefits like barely adequate health care, and barely adequate maternity benefits for everyone? F*ckin SUVs. I hate f*kin SUVs. The brats rinding in SUVs should be the second ones drafted to go fight in the Middle East to ensure our oil supply, right after children of senators and congressmen. And I'm also getting really sick of the pointless "save the children" amber alerts interrupting my cable TV. What is the point of telling lazy f*cks sitting on the couch in the middle of the night that some mother 'kidnapped' her children & is driving east in a white econobox? Dirk A18

[Harry Seifert]

> [Original Message] > From: Judson D. Jones > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 11/1/2004 6:33:46 AM > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR free speech > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, rm@r... wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Dirk Beer wrote: > > > > > > >>My view (which I probably shouldn't post) is that there is no > > "right" to > > > >>children, and if you can't afford them, you shouldn't have them.

(Of

> > > > > > >Seems pretty harsh to me, considering how many couples need two > > incomes > > > >to have a good standard of living. > > > > > > >and for women, it's not neccesarily a matter of being able to afford > > > >children, but of having to choose between a career and children. > > without > > > >a reasonable amount of maternity leave, and some assurance of eing > > able > > > >to continue their job, they pretty much have to choose one or the > > other. > > > > > > Dirk, what are you proposing? Do we pay women to NOT work? You're > > damn > > > right there's a choice involved, and that's exactly how it should be. > > > Children are an expensive and private hobby, and it's not up to the > > > gummint, bidniz, or the taxpayers to subsidize fertilla's SUV, her > > HDTV, > > > or her stainless appliances. Or her brats. > > > > > > RM > > > > Amen Brother.... > > > > I have to pay for my brats, then soak them in beer followed by a nice > > slow boil then off to the grill. Mmmmmmmm Mmmmmmm like mine crispy > > with mustard. > > > > That would seem to be a modest proposal.

Now that's a pretty swift comeback, Jonathan. drizzle a little Texas style BBQ sauce on 'em as they grill...................MMMMmmmmmmmmmm, MMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmm, Better.

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