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[Russell Scott]

For those who don't trust the government, read this instead. Its a cornucopia of good news you never hear about in Iraq from the lying, liberal media. For the blame/hate America first crowd, don't bother to read it, your mind is already made up. http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005610 R

[Richard May]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Russell Scott" wrote: http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005610 Written by a pro-Bush aussie. One of the polls referenced in that article was done by a IRI -- formed by Reagan and the entire board of directors is Rupublican. Follow the URL's and it gets more and more Republican the deeper you get. More spin, looks like. RM

[Mike Torst]

-----Original Message----- From: Russell Scott [mailto:russell@...] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:39 PM To: KListeRs Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] NKLR good news in Iraq NKLR For those who don't trust the government, read this instead. Its a cornucopia of good news you never hear about in Iraq from the lying, liberal media. For the blame/hate America first crowd, don't bother to read it, your mind is already made up. http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005610 R http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/23/international/middleeast/TEXT-ALLAWI.html Additional good news http://www.coverups.com/goodnews.htm http://foolmoon.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=116385 http://chrenkoff.blogspot.com/2004/09/good-news-from-iraq-part-10.html http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ollienorth/on20031010.shtml http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005543 And on, and on. Remember this as well - Our recent military actions convinced the leadership of Libya that we are no longer dependent on candle-light vigils as our primary defensive policy. Check it out yourself. Mike Torst A16 aka lasvegasrider W in 04

[WILLAM GILMORE]

The author is a Polish born ultra-conservative blogger from Australia. Geez, is that the best Bush and his boss Cheney can do? Richard May wrote:--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Russell Scott" wrote: http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005610 Written by a pro-Bush aussie. One of the polls referenced in that article was done by a IRI -- formed by Reagan and the entire board of directors is Rupublican. Follow the URL's and it gets more and more Republican the deeper you get. More spin, looks like. RM List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Conall]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Russell Scott" wrote:

> For those who don't trust the government, read this instead. Its a > cornucopia of good news you never hear about in Iraq from the

lying, liberal

> media. For the blame/hate America first crowd, don't bother to

read it,

> your mind is already made up. > > http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005610 > > R

don't expect

> it to go unchallenged.

The puppet PM of Iraq, Iyad Allawi, his sponsors, President Bush and VP Dick Cheney are all lying to the American public about the real situation in Iraq. They say things are getting better, that most of Iraq could vote in an election tomorrow and that "democracy and freedom will prevail, without a doubt." Nonsense! Out and out lies. The Sunni Triangle, Sadr City, Najaf, Ramadi, Karbala, Mosul, Samarra- all of these important centers, even Kirkuk, which once seemed safe in the hands of the Kurds, have all become no-go zones for the American troops and the small number of Iraqis who dare venture in to be shot. America is bombing all of these places on an almost daily basis; thus, antagonizing more and more Iraqis and more Muslims throughout the world. But US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has said voting might not be possible in some areas where militants are active and the violence is too great. "Well, so be it, nothing is perfect in life, so you have an election that's not quite perfect. Is it better than not having an election.? You bet," he said. http://www.rense.com/general57/condf.htm Because the current administration is more concerned with its image than it is with reality, it prefers symbolism to substance: soldiers are dying here and being maimed and crippled for life. It is tragic, indeed criminal that our elected public servants would so willingly sacrifice our nation's prestige and honor as well as the blood and treasure to pursue an agenda that is ahistoric and un-Constitutional. http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/lorentz1.html Conall and finally a quote from the President "I want to thank my friend, Sen. Bill Frist, for joining us today. He married a Texas girl, I want you to know. (Laughter.) Karyn is with us. A West Texas girl, just like me." G.W. Bush Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004

[denis@teachlinux.com]

I think you see it wrong.. 1. We piss of all the bad guys and give them somewhere to concentrate. 2. Now that we have them in one location we are able to kill them. I would much rather have a known location to kill the bad guys then waste time trying to hunt them down. Since I don't think you have ever been in the military, I'll assume you never thought of this as a strategy. Denis

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Conall wrote: > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Russell Scott" > wrote: > > For those who don't trust the government, read this instead. Its a > > cornucopia of good news you never hear about in Iraq from the > lying, liberal > > media. For the blame/hate America first crowd, don't bother to > read it, > > your mind is already made up. > > > > http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005610 > > > > R don't expect > > it to go unchallenged. > > The puppet PM of Iraq, Iyad Allawi, his sponsors, President Bush and > VP Dick Cheney are all lying to the American public about the real > situation in Iraq. They say things are getting better, that most of > Iraq could vote in an election tomorrow and that "democracy and > freedom will prevail, without a doubt." Nonsense! Out and out lies. > > The Sunni Triangle, Sadr City, Najaf, Ramadi, Karbala, Mosul, Samarra- > all of these important centers, even Kirkuk, which once seemed safe > in the hands of the Kurds, have all become no-go zones for the > American troops and the small number of Iraqis who dare venture in to > be shot. America is bombing all of these places on an almost daily > basis; thus, antagonizing more and more Iraqis and more Muslims > throughout the world. > > But US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has said voting might not > be possible in some areas where militants are active and the violence > is too great. > > "Well, so be it, nothing is perfect in life, so you have an election > that's not quite perfect. Is it better than not having an election.? > You bet," he said. > > > > http://www.rense.com/general57/condf.htm > > > Because the current administration is more concerned with its image > than it is with reality, it prefers symbolism to substance: soldiers > are dying here and being maimed and crippled for life. It is tragic, > indeed criminal that our elected public servants would so willingly > sacrifice our nation's prestige and honor as well as the blood and > treasure to pursue an agenda that is ahistoric and un-Constitutional. > > > > http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/lorentz1.html > > Conall > > and finally a quote from the President > > "I want to thank my friend, Sen. Bill Frist, for joining us today. > He married a Texas girl, I want you to know. (Laughter.) Karyn is > with us. A West Texas girl, just like me." > G.W. Bush > Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004 > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[Conall]

Actually I hadn't thought of that strategy, but now that I think about it perhaps the CIA trained Al-Qaeda has baited us into going to the Middle east in much the same manner? Conall

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, denis@t... wrote: > I think you see it wrong.. > > 1. We piss of all the bad guys and give them somewhere to concentrate. > 2. Now that we have them in one location we are able to kill them. > > I would much rather have a known location to kill the bad guys then waste > time trying to hunt them down. > > Since I don't think you have ever been in the military, I'll assume you > never thought of this as a strategy. > > Denis > > > On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Conall wrote: > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Russell Scott" > > wrote: > > > For those who don't trust the government, read this instead. Its a > > > cornucopia of good news you never hear about in Iraq from the > > lying, liberal > > > media. For the blame/hate America first crowd, don't bother to > > read it, > > > your mind is already made up. > > > > > > http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005610 > > > > > > R > don't expect > > > it to go unchallenged. > > > > The puppet PM of Iraq, Iyad Allawi, his sponsors, President Bush and > > VP Dick Cheney are all lying to the American public about the real > > situation in Iraq. They say things are getting better, that most of > > Iraq could vote in an election tomorrow and that "democracy and > > freedom will prevail, without a doubt." Nonsense! Out and out lies. > > > > The Sunni Triangle, Sadr City, Najaf, Ramadi, Karbala, Mosul, Samarra- > > all of these important centers, even Kirkuk, which once seemed safe > > in the hands of the Kurds, have all become no-go zones for the > > American troops and the small number of Iraqis who dare venture in to > > be shot. America is bombing all of these places on an almost daily > > basis; thus, antagonizing more and more Iraqis and more Muslims > > throughout the world. > > > > But US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has said voting might not > > be possible in some areas where militants are active and the violence > > is too great. > > > > "Well, so be it, nothing is perfect in life, so you have an election > > that's not quite perfect. Is it better than not having an election.? > > You bet," he said. > > > > > > > > http://www.rense.com/general57/condf.htm > > > > > > Because the current administration is more concerned with its image > > than it is with reality, it prefers symbolism to substance: soldiers > > are dying here and being maimed and crippled for life. It is tragic, > > indeed criminal that our elected public servants would so willingly > > sacrifice our nation's prestige and honor as well as the blood and > > treasure to pursue an agenda that is ahistoric and un- Constitutional. > > > > > > > > http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/lorentz1.html > > > > Conall > > > > and finally a quote from the President > > > > "I want to thank my friend, Sen. Bill Frist, for joining us today. > > He married a Texas girl, I want you to know. (Laughter.) Karyn is > > with us. A West Texas girl, just like me." > > G.W. Bush > > Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Paul]

Oh Geeze it just had to go down that "you've never been in the military road". Having spent the most miserable years of my life in the Marine Corps, in the wrong place, doing the wrong thing, for all the wrong reasons, I guess I'm qualified to comment. 99% of the military are not strategists. They just follow orders and believe what they're told, no matter how absurd it may be. Some of us (military and ex-military) actually manage to wake up and smell the coffee and no longer believe it's raining when in fact, we're being pissed on. I guess I have to apologize for helping to start this little fracas. I'll go back to having fun with my bike now. Paul

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, denis@t... wrote: > I think you see it wrong.. > > 1. We piss of all the bad guys and give them somewhere to concentrate. > 2. Now that we have them in one location we are able to kill them. > > I would much rather have a known location to kill the bad guys then waste > time trying to hunt them down. > > Since I don't think you have ever been in the military, I'll assume you > never thought of this as a strategy. > > Denis > > > On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Conall wrote: > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Russell Scott" > > wrote: > > > For those who don't trust the government, read this instead. Its a > > > cornucopia of good news you never hear about in Iraq from the > > lying, liberal > > > media. For the blame/hate America first crowd, don't bother to > > read it, > > > your mind is already made up. > > > > > > http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005610 > > > > > > R > don't expect > > > it to go unchallenged. > > > > The puppet PM of Iraq, Iyad Allawi, his sponsors, President Bush and > > VP Dick Cheney are all lying to the American public about the real > > situation in Iraq. They say things are getting better, that most of > > Iraq could vote in an election tomorrow and that "democracy and > > freedom will prevail, without a doubt." Nonsense! Out and out lies. > > > > The Sunni Triangle, Sadr City, Najaf, Ramadi, Karbala, Mosul, Samarra- > > all of these important centers, even Kirkuk, which once seemed safe > > in the hands of the Kurds, have all become no-go zones for the > > American troops and the small number of Iraqis who dare venture in to > > be shot. America is bombing all of these places on an almost daily > > basis; thus, antagonizing more and more Iraqis and more Muslims > > throughout the world. > > > > But US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has said voting might not > > be possible in some areas where militants are active and the violence > > is too great. > > > > "Well, so be it, nothing is perfect in life, so you have an election > > that's not quite perfect. Is it better than not having an election.? > > You bet," he said. > > > > > > > > http://www.rense.com/general57/condf.htm > > > > > > Because the current administration is more concerned with its image > > than it is with reality, it prefers symbolism to substance: soldiers > > are dying here and being maimed and crippled for life. It is tragic, > > indeed criminal that our elected public servants would so willingly > > sacrifice our nation's prestige and honor as well as the blood and > > treasure to pursue an agenda that is ahistoric and un- Constitutional. > > > > > > > > http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/lorentz1.html > > > > Conall > > > > and finally a quote from the President > > > > "I want to thank my friend, Sen. Bill Frist, for joining us today. > > He married a Texas girl, I want you to know. (Laughter.) Karyn is > > with us. A West Texas girl, just like me." > > G.W. Bush > > Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >

[flaterike]

Ah, the infamous flypaper strategy. This, of course, assumes that the number of "bad guys" is a constant. It is not, and all indications point towards delta(bad guys) being positive, and delta(delta(bad guys)) being positive as well, due to the situation we've created in Iraq. This could've been avoided. It wasn't. But, you know, "staying the course" is clearly the right thing to do, since things are going so well. erik

> I think you see it wrong.. > > 1. We piss of all the bad guys and give them somewhere to

concentrate.

> 2. Now that we have them in one location we are able to kill them. > > I would much rather have a known location to kill the bad guys then

waste

> time trying to hunt them down. > > Since I don't think you have ever been in the military, I'll assume

you

> never thought of this as a strategy. > > Denis > > > On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Conall wrote: > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Russell Scott" > > wrote: > > > For those who don't trust the government, read this instead.

Its a

> > > cornucopia of good news you never hear about in Iraq from the > > lying, liberal > > > media. For the blame/hate America first crowd, don't bother to > > read it, > > > your mind is already made up. > > > > > > http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005610 > > > > > > R > don't expect > > > it to go unchallenged. > > > > The puppet PM of Iraq, Iyad Allawi, his sponsors, President Bush

and

> > VP Dick Cheney are all lying to the American public about the

real

> > situation in Iraq. They say things are getting better, that most

of

> > Iraq could vote in an election tomorrow and that "democracy and > > freedom will prevail, without a doubt." Nonsense! Out and out

lies.

> > > > The Sunni Triangle, Sadr City, Najaf, Ramadi, Karbala, Mosul,

Samarra-

> > all of these important centers, even Kirkuk, which once seemed

safe

> > in the hands of the Kurds, have all become no-go zones for the > > American troops and the small number of Iraqis who dare venture

in to

> > be shot. America is bombing all of these places on an almost

daily

> > basis; thus, antagonizing more and more Iraqis and more Muslims > > throughout the world. > > > > But US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has said voting might

not

> > be possible in some areas where militants are active and the

violence

> > is too great. > > > > "Well, so be it, nothing is perfect in life, so you have an

election

> > that's not quite perfect. Is it better than not having an

election.?

> > You bet," he said. > > > > > > > > http://www.rense.com/general57/condf.htm > > > > > > Because the current administration is more concerned with its

image

> > than it is with reality, it prefers symbolism to substance:

soldiers

> > are dying here and being maimed and crippled for life. It is

tragic,

> > indeed criminal that our elected public servants would so

willingly

> > sacrifice our nation's prestige and honor as well as the blood

and

> > treasure to pursue an agenda that is ahistoric and un-

Constitutional.

> > > > > > > > http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/lorentz1.html > > > > Conall > > > > and finally a quote from the President > > > > "I want to thank my friend, Sen. Bill Frist, for joining us

today.

> > He married a Texas girl, I want you to know. (Laughter.) Karyn is > > with us. A West Texas girl, just like me." > > G.W. Bush > > Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List

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[WILLAM GILMORE]

Kinda like riding with a broken doohickey and not giving a shit about the end result. Just puttin yer head up, ass down and keep given er the throttle. Makes sense to the current administration. flaterike wrote: Ah, the infamous flypaper strategy. This, of course, assumes that the number of "bad guys" is a constant. It is not, and all indications point towards delta(bad guys) being positive, and delta(delta(bad guys)) being positive as well, due to the situation we've created in Iraq. This could've been avoided. It wasn't. But, you know, "staying the course" is clearly the right thing to do, since things are going so well. erik

> I think you see it wrong.. > > 1. We piss of all the bad guys and give them somewhere to

concentrate.

> 2. Now that we have them in one location we are able to kill them. > > I would much rather have a known location to kill the bad guys then

waste

> time trying to hunt them down. > > Since I don't think you have ever been in the military, I'll assume

you

> never thought of this as a strategy. > > Denis > > > On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Conall wrote: > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Russell Scott" > > wrote: > > > For those who don't trust the government, read this instead.

Its a

> > > cornucopia of good news you never hear about in Iraq from the > > lying, liberal > > > media. For the blame/hate America first crowd, don't bother to > > read it, > > > your mind is already made up. > > > > > > http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005610 > > > > > > R > don't expect > > > it to go unchallenged. > > > > The puppet PM of Iraq, Iyad Allawi, his sponsors, President Bush

and

> > VP Dick Cheney are all lying to the American public about the

real

> > situation in Iraq. They say things are getting better, that most

of

> > Iraq could vote in an election tomorrow and that "democracy and > > freedom will prevail, without a doubt." Nonsense! Out and out

lies.

> > > > The Sunni Triangle, Sadr City, Najaf, Ramadi, Karbala, Mosul,

Samarra-

> > all of these important centers, even Kirkuk, which once seemed

safe

> > in the hands of the Kurds, have all become no-go zones for the > > American troops and the small number of Iraqis who dare venture

in to

> > be shot. America is bombing all of these places on an almost

daily

> > basis; thus, antagonizing more and more Iraqis and more Muslims > > throughout the world. > > > > But US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has said voting might

not

> > be possible in some areas where militants are active and the

violence

> > is too great. > > > > "Well, so be it, nothing is perfect in life, so you have an

election

> > that's not quite perfect. Is it better than not having an

election.?

> > You bet," he said. > > > > > > > > http://www.rense.com/general57/condf.htm > > > > > > Because the current administration is more concerned with its

image

> > than it is with reality, it prefers symbolism to substance:

soldiers

> > are dying here and being maimed and crippled for life. It is

tragic,

> > indeed criminal that our elected public servants would so

willingly

> > sacrifice our nation's prestige and honor as well as the blood

and

> > treasure to pursue an agenda that is ahistoric and un-

Constitutional.

> > > > > > > > http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/lorentz1.html > > > > Conall > > > > and finally a quote from the President > > > > "I want to thank my friend, Sen. Bill Frist, for joining us

today.

> > He married a Texas girl, I want you to know. (Laughter.) Karyn is > > with us. A West Texas girl, just like me." > > G.W. Bush > > Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List

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