stoves and tents

[rmeredith@shaw.ca]

I prefer not to crash. --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Judson D. Jones" wrote:

> --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, kdxkawboy@a... wrote: > I've had falls off road that don't think the Givis would > > have survived. > > > > I don't know about the bigger bags, but the E21s will survive

crashes that you

> would expect to smash them. They won't look very good afterward, but

they

> will still work.

[Lujo Bauer]

I too am pretty confident about how strong the Givis are. Having had both, I don't think they would do any worse than aluminum panniers. -Lujo Judson D. Jones wrote:

> --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, kdxkawboy@a... wrote: > I've had falls off road that don't think the Givis would > >>have survived. >> > > > I don't know about the bigger bags, but the E21s will survive crashes that you > would expect to smash them. They won't look very good afterward, but they > will still work. >

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[rmeredith@shaw.ca]

Givi's are known to be tough. Why did you swith again Lugo?

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Lujo Bauer wrote: > I too am pretty confident about how strong the Givis are. Having had > both, I don't think they would do any worse than aluminum panniers. > > -Lujo > > Judson D. Jones wrote: > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, kdxkawboy@a... wrote: > > I've had falls off road that don't think the Givis would > > > >>have survived. > >> > > > > > > I don't know about the bigger bags, but the E21s will survive crashes that you > > would expect to smash them. They won't look very good afterward, but they > > will still work. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[kdxkawboy@aol.com]

In a message dated 2004-07-19 8:18:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rmeredith@... writes:

> > I prefer not to crash. > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Judson D. Jones" > wrote: > >--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, kdxkawboy@a... wrote: > > I've had falls off road that don't think the Givis would > >>have survived. > >> > > > >I don't know about the bigger bags, but the E21s will survive > crashes that you > >would expect to smash them. They won't look very good afterward, but > they > >will still work. > >

So do I, unfortunately in the dirt, falls happen. With the bags on my Suzuki I just grazed bumper on my truck and the latching mechanism broke, four months to get the replacement parts from Givi. On the Colorado tour one of the BMW GS1100s with Givis made a soft landing in mud puddle and he had to bungee the bag to his side rack the rest of the trip. Off road I feel comfortable riding anything I would without the bags, short of real narrow trails, so my panniers get banged around. I mean I have hit hard enough the side bars on my HT side racks are bowed from fore to aft. If you are going to go adventure touring your need luggage that can survive the adventure. Pat G'ville, Nv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Lujo Bauer]

Because I find top-loading (and square, though top-loading is more important) boxes incomparably more useful. -Lujo rmeredith@... wrote:

> Givi's are known to be tough. Why did you swith again Lugo? > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Lujo Bauer wrote: > >>I too am pretty confident about how strong the Givis are. Having had >>both, I don't think they would do any worse than aluminum panniers. >> >>-Lujo

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[Lujo Bauer]

That's odd. My experience has been different. In addition to the odd scrapes and a bump or two against guardrails and car, I once managed to snag a curb badly enough that the impact lifted the rear of the bike and moved it half a foot to the side. The Givi case got a chunk knocked out of it (which I eventually glued back in) but otherwise kept its shape perfectly. -Lujo

> So do I, unfortunately in the dirt, falls happen. With the bags on my Suzuki > I just grazed bumper on my truck and the latching mechanism broke, four months > to get the replacement parts from Givi. On the Colorado tour one of the BMW > GS1100s with Givis made a soft landing in mud puddle and he had to bungee the > bag to his side rack the rest of the trip. Off road I feel comfortable riding > anything I would without the bags, short of real narrow trails, so my panniers > get banged around. I mean I have hit hard enough the side bars on my HT side > racks are bowed from fore to aft. If you are going to go adventure touring your > need luggage that can survive the adventure. > > Pat > G'ville, Nv

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[John Biccum]

I snagged one of my E36s on a refrigerator-sized rock placed astride the Kettle Valley Rail Trail to keep the cages out. The impact broke two welds on my Happy trails NW rack and broke the pot-metal latch inside the E36. Or maybe it was the impact with the ground that occured 50 milliseconds after I hit the rock, not sure. For perhaps the 10th or 12th time one of the E36 and the Maier Woods Pros combined to bridge my leg and keep the A16 from landing on my leg in the crash. I lashed the E36 onto the broken rack and rode it 500 miles home. I rewelded the break, and sprayed the repair with black hammertone paint, its nowgood as new. GiVi-USA had the broken latch in stock (Z106 Base Locking Plate, Monokey, $7.30) I bought 3, replaced the latch in both E36s and have one for a spare. Tough bags! Photos here: http://winisp.net/johnbiccum/GiVi.htm Kettle Valley Rail Trail ride photos here: http://winisp.net/johnbiccum/kettle_valley_rail_trail_photos.htm

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lujo Bauer" To: Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 22:48 Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Givi sidecases > That's odd. My experience has been different. In addition to the odd > scrapes and a bump or two against guardrails and car, I once managed to > snag a curb badly enough that the impact lifted the rear of the bike and > moved it half a foot to the side. The Givi case got a chunk knocked out > of it (which I eventually glued back in) but otherwise kept its shape > perfectly. > > -Lujo > >> So do I, unfortunately in the dirt, falls happen. With the bags on my >> Suzuki >> I just grazed bumper on my truck and the latching mechanism broke, four >> months >> to get the replacement parts from Givi. On the Colorado tour one of the >> BMW >> GS1100s with Givis made a soft landing in mud puddle and he had to bungee >> the >> bag to his side rack the rest of the trip. Off road I feel comfortable >> riding >> anything I would without the bags, short of real narrow trails, so my >> panniers >> get banged around. I mean I have hit hard enough the side bars on my HT >> side >> racks are bowed from fore to aft. If you are going to go adventure >> touring your >> need luggage that can survive the adventure. >> >> Pat >> G'ville, Nv > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

[will gilmore]

Just to add to what could be a string that lasts forever -- I've used the Coleman single burner that uses both regular gas and white gas. Super dependable. Once filled, it works for at least a hour or more. Plenty for a weeks worth of morning java and bowls of instant oatmeal. The REI half dome is also a favorite of mine. One reason is the large fly that can be used to store outer clothing and luggage under. Super stable in even the nastiest Montana thunderstorms. Thanks to all for the KLR on-line education. Will Madison, WI