new to list and some questions

[Mike Torst]

I own both a flip-up and an MX helmet. I will NEVER ride without them. The flip-up model is great. Mike Torst Las Vegas

> -----Original Message----- > From: Lujo Bauer [mailto:lbauer@...] > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 8:16 AM > To: Mark Lewis > Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Skull Caps and other methods of killing > yourself - NKLR > > You might find flip-up helmets to your liking. When you're stopped, you > can easily raise the front to get as much ventilation as a 3/4 helmet > would give you. When you're moving, an open face shield should be > enough for plenty of air to pass through. > > -Lujo > > > Mark Lewis wrote: > > "Trust me, full face is the way to go, even if it is somewhat of an > > inconvenience." > > > > In Florida, I'd rather quit riding, and I probabaly would before I'd > > wear a full coverage. Just my opinion. Probably not a popular one. > >

[Mark Lewis]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Tim Nielsen wrote: Mark, interesting thoughts, I'd like to just add a couple. "I disagree on your thought" They weren't my thoughts but those of doctors and scientist. I wear a helmet in a non-helmet state. Even sport bike riders don't wear them half the time here locally. I think our brain keeps us alive better than safety gear. Mark Lewis

[Zachariah Mully]

On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 22:00, Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote:

> At 2:39 PM +0000 5/20/04, Mark Lewis wrote: > >Let's go back to those CDC statistics that show helmets prevent > >deaths. > > Forget about all the death talk, I just wanna protect my pretty face. > Three years ago, the pavement zoomed past my eyes at 80mph. My helmet > looked like it went through a belt sander. Without the helmet, I > certainly would have endured months of painful reconstruction at the > least! >

You know what I just realized, most everybody on this list has a story about how a helmet saved their lives and are convinced that they'd not have survived without it. Whereas these stories are legion, I've never heard a story from a helmetless rider about how *not* wearing a helmet saved their lives. I wonder why? Could it be they don't survive? To live another day and eat some pie? Z DC A5X A12X

[James L. Miller Jr.]

I think in this case it might be crow. millerized --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Zachariah Mully wrote: To live another day and eat some pie?

> > Z > DC > A5X > A12X

[Eric L. Green]

On Fri, 21 May 2004, Mark Lewis wrote:

> them half the time here locally. I think our brain keeps us alive > better than safety gear.

But safety gear is more reliable. Brains, alas, have this bad tendency to occasionally get us into things over our head, things that can end up with us being major-league dead if we're not wearing our safety gear. I've crashed three times (one time serious enough to be scraped off the pavement, the other times I slid along on my safety gear and ended up having to replace a turn signal and such but otherwise everything was okay) and been hit by a car once (not badly, thankfully, because I saw the damn fool and was moving towards the other lane expecting him to do the damn fool thing he did, all he managed to do was clip my foot which was clad in a boot and thus not hurt other than some bruises, and bend my brake pedal like a pretzel). I'm not paranoid about my safety gear or crashing, but I do treat it as something that is inevitable no matter how smart you try to ride. I mean, I was doing the really smart thing with that car, anticipating the stupidity of that driver and doing my best to get out of his way as soon as I saw his ignorant self (I had topped a railroad embankment and saw him at a stop sign immediately over the embankment, and automatically assumed he was going to t-bone me), and sometimes even that is not enough to avoid all contact. They're trying to kill you. That's the mantra. BTW, the damn fool didn't have insurance, was driving a car that wasn't his, and claimed, as usual, that he didn't see me, though I was clad in bright yellow. 'Nuff said. Not only are they trying to kill you, they're a bunch of lyin' criminals too. Keep that in mind and you might have a chance of surviving :-{. -E

[aboyandhisdawg]

i had a link to an interesting sits which showed a chart breaking down a helmet into what zomes were most likely to be hit in an accident. i wasn't suprised to see that the most likely areas to be hit where the areas left uncovered by a 3/4 helmet. unfortunately, i can't find the link right now... anyone know the site i'm refering to? fixer

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Zachariah Mully wrote: > On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 22:00, Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote: > > At 2:39 PM +0000 5/20/04, Mark Lewis wrote: > > >Let's go back to those CDC statistics that show helmets prevent > > >deaths. > > > > Forget about all the death talk, I just wanna protect my pretty face. > > Three years ago, the pavement zoomed past my eyes at 80mph. My helmet > > looked like it went through a belt sander. Without the helmet, I > > certainly would have endured months of painful reconstruction at the > > least! > > > > You know what I just realized, most everybody on this list has a story > about how a helmet saved their lives and are convinced that they'd not > have survived without it. > > Whereas these stories are legion, I've never heard a story from a > helmetless rider about how *not* wearing a helmet saved their lives. > > I wonder why? Could it be they don't survive? To live another day and > eat some pie? > > Z > DC > A5X > A12X

[KLR 650]

aboyandhisdawg wrote:

> i had a link to an interesting sits which showed a chart breaking down a > helmet into what zomes were most likely to be hit in an accident. >

http://www.flamesonmytank.co.za/images/helmetDamage.gif From this page: http://www.flamesonmytank.co.za/ helmets.htm Jim

[Guest]

Lets all ask gary busy which section of a helmet would have saved him all the pain he suffered...........funny how helmetless riders change their tune after a bad head injury --- KLR 650 wrote:

> aboyandhisdawg wrote: > > > i had a link to an interesting sits which showed a > chart breaking down a > > helmet into what zomes were most likely to be hit > in an accident. > > > >

http://www.flamesonmytank.co.za/images/helmetDamage.gif

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[rm@richardmay.net]

On Thu, 20 May 2004, Mark Lewis wrote:

>anvil from a height of 6 feet, the equivalent of a 13.66 mph impact. If >you ride at speeds less than 14 mph and are involved only in accidents >with stationary objects, you are golden. A typical motorcycle accident, >however, would be a biker traveling at, say 30 mph, and being struck by a >car making a left turn at, maybe 15 mph. That's an effective cumulative >impact of 45 mph. Assume the biker is helmet-clad, and he is struct >directly on the head. The helmet reduces the blow to an impact of 31.34 >mph.

This is just dumb. Consider the case of a helmeted rider who lowsides at 70mph and smacks his head on the asphalt. Does this mean that the helmet was called upon to arrest a 70mph impact? Think about it. RM

[Mark Lewis]

Knitting is a nice safe hobby, and you don't have to buy Christmas gifts for everyone.