new to list and some questions

[KLR 650]

takes2serious wrote:

> When I was a teenager I used to volunteer at a hospital in > California, and mostly was assigned to the emergency room and x-ray > department. One night a guy was brought in who had highsided at low

Same story here. Wheeled a guy in who was obviously drunk and was riding a moped . He was wearing a 'half face' helmet and unfortunately hit the pavement on the other half. I distinctly remember thinking "where is his nose?" Doc said he would need reconstructive surgery because there wasn't anything left to fix. jim

[Devon]

klr650@... wrote:

> He was wearing a 'half face' helmet and unfortunately >hit the pavement on the other half. I distinctly remember thinking >"where is his nose?" Doc said he would need reconstructive surgery >because there wasn't anything left to fix. > >

Yes, but like the liner of a good Snell or DOT helmet, your face and sinuses will crush on impact and allow your brain to survive relatively unscathed. Devon

[rob]

like the liner of a good Snell or DOT helmet, your face and

> sinuses will crush on impact and allow your brain to survive relatively > unscathed. > > Devon

Helluva design, that! I've been riding for about 12 years and it seems every year I ride a little (slower? better? ah, more experienced) and wear a little more protective gear. My second bike was an '88 Suzuki Katana 600 and I remember riding on the freeway in shorts and a t-shirt. Now when I see guys like that I cringe. I wonder how my poor mother survived my early biking years..

[ron criswell]

Been there, done my street skin graph. I don't know how my wife survived some of my bike episodes. She made me promise to ride only dirt bikes for a while (but has since relented) after 2 nasty falls and one hit by a drunk. Criswell rob wrote:

> like the liner of a good Snell or DOT helmet, your face and > > sinuses will crush on impact and allow your brain to survive relatively > > unscathed. > > > > Devon > > Helluva design, that! I've been riding for about 12 years and it seems every year I ride a > little (slower? better? ah, more experienced) and wear a little more protective gear. My > second bike was an '88 Suzuki Katana 600 and I remember riding on the freeway in shorts > and a t-shirt. Now when I see guys like that I cringe. I wonder how my poor mother > survived my early biking years.. > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

[Conall]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, KLR 650 wrote:

> takes2serious wrote: > > When I was a teenager I used to volunteer at a hospital in > > California, and mostly was assigned to the emergency room and x-

ray

> > department. One night a guy was brought in who had highsided at

low

> > Same story here. Wheeled a guy in who was obviously drunk and was > riding a moped . He was wearing a 'half face' helmet and

unfortunately

> hit the pavement on the other half. I distinctly remember thinking > "where is his nose?" Doc said he would need reconstructive surgery > because there wasn't anything left to fix. > > jim

Knew one guy who was wearing a open face helmet who was hit head on while stopped at a traffic light, it took his Doctors 1 year and twelve operations to rebuild his face. Knew a Det. Sgt. with the NJ state police who told me about a motorcycle rider that wore a open face helmet who went face first into a chain link fence at 60 mph, who's head was like a water balloon held in place by the helmet. Found him DOA. Knew another rider who slammed into a gravel truck at 100 mph on a Kawasaki Z1 900 who survived, but his head enlarged to about 3 times it's normal size, like a 15 lb watermelon. I don't care what the helmet looks like, I'll always wear a fullface. I remember when a novelty helmet was a EZ rider stars and stripe helmet like Peter Fonda had,( actually bought one from JC Whitney in the 70's) or maybe an inflatable helmet for those times when you met a traveling companion you wanted to take for an improptu ride. Conall-Shoei flipface and somewhat concerned with the safety of the latch mechanism. http://www.klr650.cc

[kdxkawboy@aol.com]

In a message dated 2004-05-19 9:59:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, klr650dotcc@... writes:

> --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, KLR 650 wrote: > >takes2serious wrote: > >>When I was a teenager I used to volunteer at a hospital in > >>California, and mostly was assigned to the emergency room and x- > ray > >>department. One night a guy was brought in who had highsided at > low > > > >Same story here. Wheeled a guy in who was obviously drunk and was > >riding a moped . He was wearing a 'half face' helmet and > unfortunately > >hit the pavement on the other half. I distinctly remember thinking > >"where is his nose?" Doc said he would need reconstructive surgery > >because there wasn't anything left to fix. > > > >jim > > Knew one guy who was wearing a open face helmet who was hit head on > while stopped at a traffic light, it took his Doctors 1 year and > twelve operations to rebuild his face. > Knew a Det. Sgt. with the NJ state police who told me about a > motorcycle rider that wore a open face helmet who went face first > into a chain link fence at 60 mph, who's head was like a water > balloon held in place by the helmet. Found him DOA. > Knew another rider who slammed into a gravel truck at 100 mph on a > Kawasaki Z1 900 who survived, but his head enlarged to about 3 times > it's normal size, like a 15 lb watermelon. > I don't care what the helmet looks like, I'll always wear a fullface. > I remember when a novelty helmet was a EZ rider stars and stripe > helmet like Peter Fonda had,( actually bought one from JC Whitney in > the 70's) or maybe an inflatable helmet for those times when you met > a traveling companion you wanted to take for an improptu ride. > >

Back in the 70's when Bell came up with the full face design no body wanted to wear it. No matter how you cut it, in a world conditioned to 3/4 face cool the full face was repulsive. It was at the '74 ot '75 Trans AMA race at Sears Point that Roger DeCoster had the steering head on his RM370 bust on take off from a jump. I was thereand it was sickening to watch. As he launched the jump his front wheel just kept looping up and over his head creating one nasty face plant. Next week Roger showed up wearing a Bell full face and overnight they became cool. By the end of the next racing season most of the national level riders were wearing a full face design and the rest is history. As for myself, I don't miss the getting the big bugs in the face, I don't miss it one bit. That and all the occasions on which I have taken a soil sample face first have convinced me that a full face helmet is just one of those things you learn to put up with if you are enough of a coward to truly desire to avoid the unnecessary pain and agony of the day after and I proudly count myself such a coward. Pat G'ville, Nv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Arden Kysely]

> As for myself, I don't miss the getting the big bugs in the face,

I don't

> miss it one bit. That and all the occasions on which I have taken

a soil sample

> face first have convinced me that a full face helmet is just one

of those

> things you learn to put up with if you are enough of a coward to

truly desire to

> avoid the unnecessary pain and agony of the day after and I

proudly count myself

> such a coward. > > Pat > G'ville, Nv

You're no coward, Pat. Dental work is expensive, so a full-face helmet pays for itself after one face plant, I figure. I've still got all my own teeth and intend to keep it that way. I had a Bell Magnum with a football guard way back when, and that guard did the trick on one spectacular face plant. I was spitting out dirt, but not teeth. Since my first Bell 120 (circa 1975) it's been full-face, full-time for me. I wear Nolan flipper on dual-sport trips and, like Conall, wonder about the latch. May get an Arai XD one of these days. My daily wear is an Arai Quantum. __Arden

[Mark Lewis]

I hate fullface helmets. I've tried them but I feel like I have a bucket over my head. I now wear a 3/4 helmet and like it well enough. Probably 80% of the people I meet, wear no helmet at all. Stastics show that helmets don't increase survial rates but they do allow for open caskets.

[Joshua Gorman]

Take it from a dentist...wear a full face helmet. Even low speed crashes can do horrific damage! I once had a patient who crashed going about 20 mph, wearing a half shell, and he ended up with about $22K worth of reconstruction, because his mirror knocked all of his front teeth out, and broke his jaw. Trust me, full face is the way to go, even if it is somewhat of an inconvenience. Josh Dr. Joshua C. Gorman, D.D.S. 401 W. San Augustine Deer Park, TX 77536 (281)930-8744

>From: "Arden Kysely" >To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Skull Caps and other methods of killing yourself >- NKLR >Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:46:53 -0000 > > > As for myself, I don't miss the getting the big bugs in the face, >I don't > > miss it one bit. That and all the occasions on which I have taken >a soil sample > > face first have convinced me that a full face helmet is just one >of those > > things you learn to put up with if you are enough of a coward to >truly desire to > > avoid the unnecessary pain and agony of the day after and I >proudly count myself > > such a coward. > > > > Pat > > G'ville, Nv > >You're no coward, Pat. Dental work is expensive, so a full-face >helmet pays for itself after one face plant, I figure. I've still >got all my own teeth and intend to keep it that way. I had a Bell >Magnum with a football guard way back when, and that guard did the >trick on one spectacular face plant. I was spitting out dirt, but >not teeth. Since my first Bell 120 (circa 1975) it's been full-face, >full-time for me. I wear Nolan flipper on dual-sport trips and, like >Conall, wonder about the latch. May get an Arai XD one of these >days. My daily wear is an Arai Quantum. > >__Arden > > > > > >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ >courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: >DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

[Mark Lewis]

"Trust me, full face is the way to go, even if it is somewhat of an inconvenience." In Florida, I'd rather quit riding, and I probabaly would before I'd wear a full coverage. Just my opinion. Probably not a popular one.