julian tech session -- steering head bearing lessons learned

[Steve Hersant]

My smaller dawg, Larry, a 100lb Golden Retriever, was bitten by a Prairie Rattlesnake in lower Alberta last fall. There were two very distinct holes in his leg and he went into shock fairly soon after the bite. We had to drive about an hour to the vet and in that time Larry was unconscious, with very shallow breathing. On arrival at the vet, he was given an injection of a steroid to combat his allergic reaction to the venom. We had put a tight cloth above the bite on the trip there, but the vet said all that stuff, including sucking the wound is WRONG. Larry was in over night and had a leg the size of a baseball bat for a few days, but is OK. I did a lot of 'net research and found it is rare to die from most bites. The initial "shock" can be from allergic reactions to the venom, as some people have to a bee sting. I think my experience has taught me not to panic, but to get to help quickly. Anti venom is rare and,if given, can make a subsequent bite fatal. The vet said the most common bite there is to bulls...right on the ball bag....ouch ! I think it would be wise to research this carefully if you are in snake country and don't rely on stories, such as mine ! I will avoid tall grass in future, or any place I can't see the ground clearly and will never let my dogs run free in those areas again.There is no way to avoid a strike...I tested the snake with a stick and I felt the strike, but did not see it. Steve Avoiding snakes in B.C. Canada

[hpjrt]

I've never tried this but have read about it in a hound magazine and these guys are serious about their dogs. Apparently in south Africa snakebites are often treated by putting two wires attached to a 12V battery on either side of the bite and shocking the area around the bite. This seems to render the venim harmless and has been used succesfully for years. Some of the southern coon hunters have taken up the practice on their dogs and themselves with no ill effects. As an interesting side note on one farm in South Africa before the help would start in the morning the jack russels would be let out to rid the lawn of cobras.Once the cobras were dipatched the ridgebacks were let out to keep the leapards away from the russels --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Hersant" wrote:

> My smaller dawg, Larry, a 100lb Golden Retriever, was bitten by a > Prairie Rattlesnake in lower Alberta last fall. There were two

very

> distinct holes in his leg and he went into shock fairly soon after > the bite. We had to drive about an hour to the vet and in that

time

> Larry was unconscious, with very shallow breathing. On arrival at > the vet, he was given an injection of a steroid to combat his > allergic reaction to the venom. We had put a tight cloth above the > bite on the trip there, but the vet said all that stuff, including > sucking the wound is WRONG. Larry was in over night and had a leg > the size of a baseball bat for a few days, but is OK. I did a lot > of 'net research and found it is rare to die from most bites. The > initial "shock" can be from allergic reactions to the venom, as

some

> people have to a bee sting. I think my experience has taught me

not

> to panic, but to get to help quickly. Anti venom is rare and,if > given, can make a subsequent bite fatal. The vet said the most > common bite there is to bulls...right on the ball bag....ouch ! > I think it would be wise to research this carefully if you are in > snake country and don't rely on stories, such as mine ! > I will avoid tall grass in future, or any place I can't see the > ground clearly and will never let my dogs run free in those areas > again.There is no way to avoid a strike...I tested the snake with

a

> stick and I felt the strike, but did not see it. > Steve > Avoiding snakes in B.C. Canada

[Edmund]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "hpjrt" wrote:

> I've never tried this but have read about it in a hound magazine

and

> these guys are serious about their dogs. Apparently in south Africa > snakebites are often treated by putting two wires attached to a 12V > battery on either side of the bite and shocking the area around the > bite. This seems to render the venim harmless and has been used > succesfully for years. Some of the southern coon hunters have taken > up the practice on their dogs and themselves with no ill effects.

------ I've heard that the same electric shock thing was discovered by a missionary doctor in Africa. Also it's used on guys doing rattlesnake rodeos. It's been years since I heard the story but something like the rattler cowboys dump a sack of rattlesnakes out on the ground and see how fast they can throw them back in the sack, getting bitten the whole time. Then at the finish they go over and get every bite electro-zapped. I've never seen one of these rodeos but if it works for them it seems like living proof. Now don't ask me why someone would ever want to be a rattler rodeo cowboy!? Edmund A17 in the GI Joe colors

[Dave Pedley]

You might have the story a little backwards. I think your supposed to put the high voltage terminals on the snake ...before... it bites you which renders it dead and therefore pretty much harmless. ..........................................davep A17

----- Original Message ----- From: "Edmund" To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 21:35 Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Snake Bite Story From A Victim ! > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "hpjrt" wrote: > > I've never tried this but have read about it in a hound magazine > and > > these guys are serious about their dogs. Apparently in south Africa > > snakebites are often treated by putting two wires attached to a 12V > > battery on either side of the bite and shocking the area around the > > bite. This seems to render the venim harmless and has been used > > succesfully for years. Some of the southern coon hunters have taken > > up the practice on their dogs and themselves with no ill effects. > > ------ > > I've heard that the same electric shock thing was discovered by a > missionary doctor in Africa. Also it's used on guys doing > rattlesnake rodeos. It's been years since I heard the story but > something like the rattler cowboys dump a sack of rattlesnakes out on > the ground and see how fast they can throw them back in the sack, > getting bitten the whole time. Then at the finish they go over and > get every bite electro-zapped. I've never seen one of these rodeos > but if it works for them it seems like living proof. > > Now don't ask me why someone would ever want to be a rattler rodeo > cowboy!? > > Edmund > A17 in the GI Joe colors > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[Eric L. Green]

> I've never tried this but have read about it in a hound magazine and > these guys are serious about their dogs. Apparently in south Africa > snakebites are often treated by putting two wires attached to a 12V > battery on either side of the bite and shocking the area around the > bite.

This has been tested by the U. of Arizona under FDA contract and proven to be, pardon the expression, "snake oil". Completely and utterly ineffectual. Yes, the dog (or human) eventually gets better. But they do not do so any quicker than without the electrical current. -E

[Randall Marbach]

Hi All Just got back from the Julian Tech Session.. what I great time I had. I left Burbank about 5:45 this morning and rolled non-stop all the way into Julian about 8:30, 156 miles on the stock seat.. that part hurt;-) Also Julian seems like it is always 30 degrees colder that the rest of California and I was shivering by the time I pulled into the garage. Thankfully Buddy had a pot of hot coffee waiting and after about 5 or 6 cups, I began to thaw...Gotta put some heated grips on my Chrismas List. Two bikes had their doohicky transplants performed and in both cases nothing was physically broken but the doohickys were stuck and would not adjust. Later Elden Carl demonstrated how to properly set up a KLR front using Buddy's KLR. When he checked the freeplay between the wheel bearings and the forks, he found that Buddy's was way out of spec and required a extra spacer or two to align things back up. He also demonstrated the proper way to adjust steering head bearings. I adjusted my steering head bearings following the procedure on Elden's website in February. At that time I had a feeling that I might have gotten them a bit to tight. The bike seemed a bit more stable on the freeway but I developed a sort of weave when I made lane changes on the freeway and the bike was noticebly harder to turn at lower speeds. So after Elden finished his presentation, I put my A17 up on the jack and we checked my steering head play and the consensus was that it was too tight. So we loosed the adjusting nut 1/6, 2/6, then 3/6s of a turn and it was still tight. It did not seem properly adjusted until we backed it out about 4/6 or 2/3s of a turn from where it was. At that point everything seemed good to go so we put everything back together and took it for a test ride and all seemed OK. My freeplay between the forks and the wheel bearings was spot on. After this adjustment, Eagle Mike and Chris Kroc sponsered a carne asada BBQ. This was an outstanding lunch, we ate until we were full and still the food kept coming. Thanks Mike and Chris for a wonderful time. On the way down the hill heading towards home my bike seems to handle well, but by the time I hit the superslab I noticed the bike began to wander a bit, and then by the time I was almost home, the bike began to develop a wobble over the rain grooves and there was a knock coming from the steering head when I hit some good sized bumps. When I got home I put the bike up on the jack, lubed the chain and rechecked the steering head bearings... they were loose!... and there was a noticable clunk when I grabbed the axle and shook the forks. So I readjusted the steering head bearings until the clunking went away and then a touch more. By the time I was done I had gained back a half a turn on the nut. I took the bike for a quick ride around the neighborhood and it seems to have made a huge difference. The bike turns well but seems much more stable than it was because the weave I had earlier is now gone, I haven't had a chance to check it on the freeway yet. The lesson I learned here is that the difference between too tight and too loose on the steering head adjuster nut is about 1/3 of a turn from perfect. I can't wait until the next Julian Tech session. Elden is scheduled to demonstrate how to properly service the KLR rear suspension. And hopefully we will be able to BBQ the left over steak and chicken. Thanks Buddy et al for putting on a great Tech session. TTFN Randy from Burbank PS. Hey Buddy, the gas seemed to help with the pinging.. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer