gas seeping from gas cap

[Sam Teel]

I've been reading several articles about the approach to twisties. Some say "Never use the brakes, all throttle control" Others report, "Hard on the brakes to scrub off speed prior to laying her over." On my recent ride through the Cumberland mountains, highly recommended, I tried both ways. For me it seemed that I could make better time using the brakes. I would accelerate out of one turn, size up the next one, wait at long as I could, then brake like the devil while the bike was straight up, get off the brakes, dive into the turn, accelerate out, size up the next one, etc. It seemed that just a throttle rolloff made either the turn too hot once I was deep in or too slow in the approach. I plan to go to one of the proffessional courses in October (taking what I hope is my SV1000) to really gain the skill, but in the meantime, which is correct? I seemed to be doing ok as even on the KLR no bikes were riding up my ass in the mountains and I had no absolute "holy crap, am I going to make this?" moments. Reagards, Sam (ain't no chicken feathers left on those Kenda's)

[Chris]

Some of my buddies who are into the track-day thing say the most amazing part of a decent track school is just how much you find out about just how little you know your own riding technique. They generally start you out in those schools by having you get to third gear, stay in it and not use your brakes. The purpose is to get you smooth on the throttle and focusing on your line in the corners and body positioning. Most of the guys I know were simply stunned at how much faster they were using that method after several laps with criticism from their initial lap times doing what they thought was their best. Try to get a school that has video guys roaming around, it's really neat to see the progression from when you first get riding to the end of the school 'races'. If you're riding at the limit, you'll need both brakes and throttle, but at road legal speeds, you should be able to just use throttle if you're smooth enough.

> I've been reading several articles about the approach to twisties. > Some say > "Never use the brakes, all throttle control" Others report, "Hard on > the > brakes to scrub off speed prior to laying her over." > > I plan to go to one of the proffessional courses in October (taking > what I > hope is my SV1000) to really gain the skill, but in the meantime, > which is > correct? I seemed to be doing ok as even on the KLR no bikes were > riding up > my ass in the mountains and I had no absolute "holy crap, am I going > to make > this?" moments. > > Reagards, > Sam (ain't no chicken feathers left on those Kenda's) > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

[Eric L. Green]

On Thu, 20 May 2004, Sam Teel wrote:

> I've been reading several articles about the approach to twisties. Some say > "Never use the brakes, all throttle control" Others report, "Hard on the > brakes to scrub off speed prior to laying her over." On my recent ride

Pro racers hit the brakes hard right before the turn (while still going straight), then maintain speed or accelerate thru the turn. The MSF safety course was silent on whether to use brake or throttle to slow, just stating that you slowed while still going straight, not while you were in the turn.

> correct? I seemed to be doing ok as even on the KLR no bikes were riding up > my ass in the mountains and I had no absolute "holy crap, am I going to make > this?" moments.

Well, if you're obtaining the desired results, why do you care what we say? . _E

[Devon]

kingsqueak@... wrote:

>Some of my buddies who are into the track-day thing say the most >amazing part of a decent track school is just how much you find out >about just how little you know your own riding technique. >

I'd love to take a track day class. Throw some street tires on my KLR and dig the leathers out of the closet. The "trail-braking" into corners works on the track, especially on a heavy (compared to supermotos at least) inline-4 sportbike. The weight transfer quickens the steering, and increases front traction so you pick up the cornering load as you're easing off the brakes. In real life this is a recipe for an accident- hauling ass into a corner at 9/10ths of your riding ability and 95% of your available traction, with your full attention on controlling the bike instead of mostly looking ahead. If ANYTHING at all happens while corning like this you're crashing. I used to ride like this on my SR500s, got caught out, bought a KLR and now take my risks at 15 mph in the woods. Devon

[Don Kime]

At 10:33 AM 5/20/04 -0500, Sam Teel wrote:

>I've been reading several articles about the approach to twisties. Some say >"Never use the brakes, all throttle control"

All, imo: In the following order: 1. Take an MSF Safety Course 2. Read Keith Code's, "A Twist of the Wrist II." 3. Take a California Superbike Course at one of the road course locations (mid-Ohio, etc). http://www.superbikeschool.com/ I would be very cautious of info from mailing lists, and I have nothing against lists. It can just be very difficult to distill fact from fiction, and in an area like this fiction can get ya' hurt real bad, all imo. Ride safe, Don Kime - VFR750F, GL1500SE, GL1100, KLR 650 OH - M/C Safety Instructor/RiderCoach dkime@... http://forums.delphiforums.com/MCTourer/

[Arden Kysely]

Ride the way you're most comfortable. Many days I go out and ride the twisties without using my brakes much, a technique described years ago by Nick Ienatch in a Motorcyclist article called "The Pace." The idea is to ride smoothly and don't over-accelerate to the point that you need brakes to scrub off speed for the next corner. It's a relaxing way to go pretty quick through the corners. If you want to maximize your speed, you'll need to use the brakes and gearbox more: accelerate hard on the straights, brake before the corner, downshift to the gear you'll need coming out of the corner, keep the gas on through the corner, then hit the throttle as you exit. This way is a lot more work and the speeds attained give you much less time to react to anything in the road. Also, the attention you have to pay to handling the brakes/clutch/throttle takes away from the attention you can pay to the road. I ride both ways, but mostly at "The Pace". Once you're used to it, you can keep your momentum up through the turns so you don't have to be on the brakes/on the gas/on the brakes. __Arden

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Sam Teel" wrote: > I've been reading several articles about the approach to twisties. Some say > "Never use the brakes, all throttle control" Others report, "Hard on the > brakes to scrub off speed prior to laying her over." On my recent ride > through the Cumberland mountains, highly recommended, I tried both ways. > For me it seemed that I could make better time using the brakes. I would > accelerate out of one turn, size up the next one, wait at long as I could, > then brake like the devil while the bike was straight up, get off the > brakes, dive into the turn, accelerate out, size up the next one, etc. It > seemed that just a throttle rolloff made either the turn too hot once I was > deep in or too slow in the approach. > > I plan to go to one of the proffessional courses in October (taking what I > hope is my SV1000) to really gain the skill, but in the meantime, which is > correct? I seemed to be doing ok as even on the KLR no bikes were riding up > my ass in the mountains and I had no absolute "holy crap, am I going to make > this?" moments. > > Reagards, > Sam (ain't no chicken feathers left on those Kenda's)

[Judson D. Jones]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Arden Kysely" wrote:

> Ride the way you're most comfortable. > > Many days I go out and ride the twisties without using my brakes > much, a technique described years ago by Nick Ienatch in a > Motorcyclist article called "The Pace." The idea is to ride smoothly > and don't over-accelerate to the point that you need brakes to scrub > off speed for the next corner. It's a relaxing way to go pretty > quick through the corners. > > If you want to maximize your speed, you'll need to use the brakes > and gearbox more: accelerate hard on the straights, brake before the > corner, downshift to the gear you'll need coming out of the corner, > keep the gas on through the corner, then hit the throttle as you > exit. This way is a lot more work and the speeds attained give you > much less time to react to anything in the road. Also, the attention > you have to pay to handling the brakes/clutch/throttle takes away > from the attention you can pay to the road. > > I ride both ways, but mostly at "The Pace". Once you're used to it, > you can keep your momentum up through the turns so you don't have to > be on the brakes/on the gas/on the brakes. > > __Arden >

An advantage to riding "the Pace" is that you can sustain it over a long day of touring. Braking late and getting a hard drive out of every turn may get you more quickly from Point A to Point B, but it isn't necessarily the fastest way from Jo'burg to Capetown.

[Sam Teel]

Mostly very good advice, Don, even if it did come from "at dang ol innernet emale stuff" As it turns out, the very school I had mentioned attending IS the California Superbike Course. They have one scheduled for Sept 4th and 5th. in Birmingham Al. I was actually hoping my son and I could do it together. As far as the MSF course, I just can't yet make myself pay $250 bucks and sit through 2 1/2 days of beginner class. (10 thousand bike miles in the last 6 months) I read all the material they gave my son when he took it, I talked to him about what they said, I had him show me the exercises they did and I asked him what I was doing different from anything they recommended. I do plan on paying the $75 bucks for the experienced rider course and I will read the book. My niece, whom I ride with often, is in the process of getting sponsored by the local Harley shop to become a MSF instructor as her former boyfriend is the director. He's a bit of a friend of mine too. No excuses, just that I ride with some of the best (if slower) riders in town and believe me, my son, my nephew or my niece would all love to let me know what I am doing wrong especially as I ride the rat jap bike vs. their Harley Iron. I didn't ask them about the twisties because for whatever reason, they don't take curves as aggressively as I do. I do appreciate the suggestions, all intended to keep me upright and alive. Regards, Sam

>In the following order: >1. Take an MSF Safety Course >2. Read Keith Code's, "A Twist of the Wrist II." >3. Take a California Superbike Course at one of the road course locations >(mid-Ohio, etc). > http://www.superbikeschool.com/ >Ride safe, >Don Kime - VFR750F, GL1500SE, GL1100, KLR 650 >OH - M/C Safety Instructor/RiderCoach dkime@... >http://forums.delphiforums.com/MCTourer/

[kdxkawboy@aol.com]

In a message dated 2004-05-20 8:38:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, steel@... writes:

> > I've been reading several articles about the approach to twisties. Some say > "Never use the brakes, all throttle control" Others report, "Hard on the > brakes to scrub off speed prior to laying her over." On my recent ride > through the Cumberland mountains, highly recommended, I tried both ways. > For me it seemed that I could make better time using the brakes. I would > accelerate out of one turn, size up the next one, wait at long as I could, > then brake like the devil while the bike was straight up, get off the > brakes, dive into the turn, accelerate out, size up the next one, etc. It > seemed that just a throttle rolloff made either the turn too hot once I was > deep in or too slow in the approach. > > I plan to go to one of the proffessional courses in October (taking what I > hope is my SV1000) to really gain the skill, but in the meantime, which is > correct? I seemed to be doing ok as even on the KLR no bikes were riding up > my ass in the mountains and I had no absolute "holy crap, am I going to make > this?" moments. > > Reagards, > Sam (ain't no chicken feathers left on those Kenda's) > >

To put it in the words of Keith Code: the product of a turn is its exit. The purpose of the entry to is to put the bike at your chosen exit point while accelerating. The purpose of the choosing an exit point is to position the bike for the next turn. Sometimes I brake, sometimes I don't. It all depends on a multitude of things. The biggest thing I usually work on is just trying to be smooth. About the only time I only use hard braking or only use throttle control is when I am on working on my skills. Pat G'ville, Nv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[dooden]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Van Eyk" wrote:

> Recently I filled up my tank and as I was drinving away I kept > smelling gas. I didn't give it much concern thinking that I might > have spilled a little, until I saw a slight gas seepage from the

gas

> cap. After driving for a while and the gas level went down no more > seepage. I checked the gasket on the cap and it looks intact and in > good condition (it is a 2001 model) Why would this happen, and what > is the procedure to troubleshoot/fix? > > Robin A15

Ya done put in too much. Gas is typically stored undergrond and cool, when it hit the tank it gives off vapor as it expands no doubt the gas splashing and vapor escaping pushed that splashed gas out the vent. My guess. Ever hear the tank whistle after parking it ? Dooden A15 Green Ape