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Arden Kysely
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the end of the klr?

Post by Arden Kysely » Thu Apr 22, 2004 8:41 am

I asked someone from Kawi's PR firm and he hadn't heard about dropping the KLR for '05. That doesn't mean it won't happen, but I'd give his info more credence than a dealer's. Also, the smog regs that the KLR will have to meet are USA only...there's a whole big world out there where they can still market the bike. Much as we USA-ans like to think we're the center of the Universe, 'tain't so. __Arden --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Guy B. Young II" wrote:
> Mark, > > With all due respect, past history has shown that dealers don't
know shit
> from Shinola. The Concours was going to receive a 'major' revamp
for the
> 4-5 years. > > Originally released in the US in '86, it has basically stayed the
same 'til
> present. > > IMHO - The KLR is in the same category. The tooling has long since
been
> paid for. Any $$ they make today is, probably, almost pure
profit. All
> we, as consumers, have to imagine is, what next year's color scheme
they're
> gonna use. > > YOMV > > Guy > > > At 01:21 AM 4/22/04 -0000, Mark Lewis wrote: > > >My dealer told me today that this is the last year for the KLR.
He
> >said we'll have rebadged VStroms and probably a 950 version of the > >KLR. > > > >Mark Lewis

Eric L. Green
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the end of the klr?

Post by Eric L. Green » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:49 am

> In a message dated 2004-04-21 6:58:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Mlewishome@... writes: >> It's gonna take a major rework to get the KLR to pass the new >> emmision standards. > My understanding is if the bike passes today's California standards then > it > passes the new 2006 Federal emission standards.
I'll just point out that I've been hearing these "end of the KLR" rumors for the past three years, and as we all can see, the KLR ain't dead yet. Last time I heard these rumors, it was said that the KLX 650 would take the KLR's place because Kawasaki wasn't sure the KLR could meet California standards. As you can see, it didn't happen. Instead, the big KLX got axed, and the KLR kept on. As far as meeting emissions standards go, carburetors are doomed. The good news is that for a thumper, throttle-body fuel injection requires no engine mods and will fit in the same space as the carburetor, assuming some place to stash the black box can be found. The bad news is that this would have a ripple effect, requiring a new exhaust system (for the oxygen sensor), electrical system (for the extra juice required), and probably they would want to clean up some of the other mechanicals while they were at it too (like the thingamabob). All adding up to $$. Kawasaki can't sustain BMW-class prices -- they have a reputation for inexpensive meat-and-potatos bikes with indifferent build quality. This is one reason why KLR's are not imported into Britain anymore -- they cannot meet the Euro pollution standards without fuel injection, and once Kawasaki does that, they're competing with the BMW's and Aprilias and KTM's price-wise while having nowhere near the reputation or machine to do so (let's face it, the KLR is 1980's technology, soggy suspension, weak brakes, and all). So emissions standards will probably doom the KLR in the future. Oh well, maybe KTM will start importing their Adventure 640, or the BMW 650 will come down in price, or Aprilia will get a reasonable U.S. dealer network, or ... Hey, a guy can hope, eh? ---------- ericnospam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

azman321
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the end of the klr?

Post by azman321 » Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:06 pm

I've seen references before that the KLR would have to go at some point cause it couldn't pass emissions tests, but I've never seen any indication when. I was interested to see a line in the Motorcycle Consumer News recent review of the DL-650 (Strom Lite) that said Kawasaki had a version of the DL-650 (they might have said in yellow, I'll check tonight). I got the impression that they, as moto-media insiders, knew this but it just hasn't been announced yet. By the way, they loved the DL-650. Jett, A15 AZ --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Lewis" wrote:
> My dealer told me today that this is the last year for the KLR. He > said we'll have rebadged VStroms and probably a 950 version of the > KLR. > > Mark Lewis

Arden Kysely
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the end of the klr?

Post by Arden Kysely » Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:57 pm

Everyone loved the DL650, and with good reason--it's a great street bike, and tons of fun on smooth dirt roads. But it's no substitute for a KLR when the going gets rough--one good smack on that front header pipe and the fun's over for the day. __Arden
--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "azman321" wrote: > I've seen references before that the KLR would have to go at some > point cause it couldn't pass emissions tests, but I've never seen any > indication when. > > I was interested to see a line in the Motorcycle Consumer News recent > review of the DL-650 (Strom Lite) that said Kawasaki had a version of > the DL-650 (they might have said in yellow, I'll check tonight). I > got the impression that they, as moto-media insiders, knew this but > it just hasn't been announced yet. By the way, they loved the DL- 650. > > Jett, A15 AZ > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Lewis" > wrote: > > My dealer told me today that this is the last year for the KLR. He > > said we'll have rebadged VStroms and probably a 950 version of the > > KLR. > > > > Mark Lewis

Harry Seifert
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the end of the klr?

Post by Harry Seifert » Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:17 pm

There is going to be a Kawasaki DL 1000 in Europe in the near future. Its orange and has a funny looking instrument cluster....at least to my jaded eyes. That little DL, altho swift, swoopy and fast just won't be able to fill the boots of the KLR, without a lot of modification. The KLR already meets the CA 2005 standards, and they are tougher than the fed EPA ones projected for 2006 and beyond. Maybe this is a scam being put on by unscrupulous corporate greed to heat up the market for the KLR.......and then, maybe not. If Kawasaki quits makin' 'em, I'm sure somebody will be selling refurbished old ones for a pretty penny. Buddy from the enlightened KLR of Harry Seifert bseifert71@...
> [Original Message] > From: azman321 > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 4/22/04 11:06:16 AM > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: The End of the KLR? > > I've seen references before that the KLR would have to go at some > point cause it couldn't pass emissions tests, but I've never seen any > indication when. > > I was interested to see a line in the Motorcycle Consumer News recent > review of the DL-650 (Strom Lite) that said Kawasaki had a version of > the DL-650 (they might have said in yellow, I'll check tonight). I > got the impression that they, as moto-media insiders, knew this but > it just hasn't been announced yet. By the way, they loved the DL-650. > > Jett, A15 AZ > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Lewis" > wrote: > > My dealer told me today that this is the last year for the KLR. He > > said we'll have rebadged VStroms and probably a 950 version of the > > KLR. > > > > Mark Lewis > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ
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James L. Miller Jr.
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the end of the klr?

Post by James L. Miller Jr. » Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:33 pm

The mini-strom is no KLR. It's no KLX or KX. The DR is no KLR in my mind, that's why I chose to hang with you guys. Once the KLR is gone, and one day it WILL go away, there doesn't seem to be anything in either manufacturer's inventory right now that can fill those shoes. The DR, while a similar type bike, I don't think is even in the running for my money. I'll just have to start hoarding them thar KLR's. or go orange. millerized
--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "azman321" wrote: > I've seen references before that the KLR would have to go at some > point cause it couldn't pass emissions tests, but I've never seen any > indication when. > > I was interested to see a line in the Motorcycle Consumer News recent > review of the DL-650 (Strom Lite) that said Kawasaki had a version of > the DL-650 (they might have said in yellow, I'll check tonight). I > got the impression that they, as moto-media insiders, knew this but > it just hasn't been announced yet. By the way, they loved the DL- 650. > > Jett, A15 AZ > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Lewis" > wrote: > > My dealer told me today that this is the last year for the KLR. He > > said we'll have rebadged VStroms and probably a 950 version of the > > KLR. > > > > Mark Lewis

Dave Meers
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the end of the klr?

Post by Dave Meers » Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:02 pm

I looked at the 650 V-strom as maybe a replacement for my KLR. There is just too much crap hanging below that machine to be considered any kind of DS. -----Original Message----- From: Harry Seifert [mailto:bseifert71@...] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 2:17 PM To: azman321; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: The End of the KLR? There is going to be a Kawasaki DL 1000 in Europe in the near future. Its orange and has a funny looking instrument cluster....at least to my jaded eyes. That little DL, altho swift, swoopy and fast just won't be able to fill the boots of the KLR, without a lot of modification. The KLR already meets the CA 2005 standards, and they are tougher than the fed EPA ones projected for 2006 and beyond. Maybe this is a scam being put on by unscrupulous corporate greed to heat up the market for the KLR.......and then, maybe not. If Kawasaki quits makin' 'em, I'm sure somebody will be selling refurbished old ones for a pretty penny. Buddy from the enlightened KLR of Harry Seifert bseifert71@...
> [Original Message] > From: azman321 > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 4/22/04 11:06:16 AM > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: The End of the KLR? > > I've seen references before that the KLR would have to go at some > point cause it couldn't pass emissions tests, but I've never seen any > indication when. > > I was interested to see a line in the Motorcycle Consumer News recent > review of the DL-650 (Strom Lite) that said Kawasaki had a version of > the DL-650 (they might have said in yellow, I'll check tonight). I > got the impression that they, as moto-media insiders, knew this but > it just hasn't been announced yet. By the way, they loved the DL-650. > > Jett, A15 AZ > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Lewis" > wrote: > > My dealer told me today that this is the last year for the KLR. He > > said we'll have rebadged VStroms and probably a 950 version of the > > KLR. > > > > Mark Lewis > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ
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rsanders30117
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the end of the klr?

Post by rsanders30117 » Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:07 pm

The KLR650 is simply the Volkswagen Beetle of motorcycles. It cheap, reliable, easy to work on & can be the foundation for a very versatile project bike. There isn't another bike sold that has this unique combinations of features. Which is why it has been in production so long but like the VW beetle, emissions may eventually kill it off. I don't see the DL-whatever replacing the KLR. In my opinion, the BMW F650 Dakar is a closer match but at way too much money. --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "James L. Miller Jr." wrote:
> The mini-strom is no KLR. It's no KLX or KX. The DR is no KLR in
my
> mind, that's why I chose to hang with you guys. Once the KLR is
gone,
> and one day it WILL go away, there doesn't seem to be anything in > either manufacturer's inventory right now that can fill those
shoes.
> The DR, while a similar type bike, I don't think is even in the > running for my money. I'll just have to start hoarding them thar > KLR's. or go orange. > millerized > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "azman321"
wrote:
> > I've seen references before that the KLR would have to go at some > > point cause it couldn't pass emissions tests, but I've never seen > any > > indication when. > > > > I was interested to see a line in the Motorcycle Consumer News > recent > > review of the DL-650 (Strom Lite) that said Kawasaki had a
version
> of > > the DL-650 (they might have said in yellow, I'll check tonight).
I
> > got the impression that they, as moto-media insiders, knew this
but
> > it just hasn't been announced yet. By the way, they loved the DL- > 650. > > > > Jett, A15 AZ > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Lewis" > > wrote: > > > My dealer told me today that this is the last year for the
KLR.
> He > > > said we'll have rebadged VStroms and probably a 950 version of > the > > > KLR. > > > > > > Mark Lewis

Tengai Mark Van Horn
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the end of the klr?

Post by Tengai Mark Van Horn » Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:14 pm

At 8:06 PM +0000 4/22/04, rsanders30117 wrote:
>The KLR650 is simply the Volkswagen Beetle of motorcycles. It cheap, >reliable, easy to work on & can be the foundation for a very >versatile project bike. There isn't another bike sold that has this >unique combinations of features. Which is why it has been in >production so long but like the VW beetle, emissions may eventually >kill it off...
I can just see it... 20 years from now, we'll all be riding the 'New KLR', complete with a flower vase on the instrument cluster! Mark http://www.reelrider.com

Paul Wilson

the end of the klr?

Post by Paul Wilson » Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:28 pm

-----Original Message----- From: "James L. Miller Jr." The mini-strom is no KLR. It's no KLX or KX. The DR is no KLR in my mind, that's why I chose to hang with you guys. Once the KLR is gone, and one day it WILL go away, there doesn't seem to be anything in either manufacturer's inventory right now that can fill those shoes. The DR, while a similar type bike, I don't think is even in the running for my money. I'll just have to start hoarding them thar KLR's. or go orange. millerized -------------- The DL650 seems like a nice bike, but I think its a stretch to call it a dual sport, much less a suitable replacement for the KLR as an adventure tourer, based on the review I read in MCN last night. And that's just based on ground clearance, underbelly protection and suspension travel alone. Not to mention the torque and hp curves that are oh-so V-twin, despite some tweaks to move some power down the curve a little. I can't imagine taking one up a steep slope that's the least bit loose or muddy. But maybe I should keep my trap shut until I actually ride one. :) Anyway, someone mentioned the VW bug. Despite not being imported to the states since 1976, VW ceased production of this car at its Puebla, Mexico plant just *last year*. I'm as patriotic as the next guy, but let's not fall into the parochial trap of thinking that a bike or car falls off the face of the earth just because it's not sold new in the US of A. Kawi shifted production of the KLR to a plant in Thailand in the 2001 (?) model year. That's a considerable investment to set up a production line, if they're just going to kill it off. It is possible they will stop selling them in the States at some point, but if the machine is still in production for other markets there should be lots of new parts available, not to mention the 17 years and counting worth of bikes that will still be hanging around in junkyards and the odd barn here and there. Paul in DC 95 VFR - 96 KLR650 - www.wilsonline.org

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