digest number 4977

[J.A. Sherlock]

Hi Folks, I have some questions about the KLR600. I was wondering if the 600 lends itself as easily to modification as its 650 sibling? Can you lower it? Is it possible to mount hard luggage? Is there any substantive after-market support for the 600? I found a 600 that visually appears to be in pretty good condition, for about $800. Since my wife is looking for a ds bike, it seemed that the size, weight, and price would be right up her alley, in comparison to the 650. Provided, of course, that the bike is not a dog in real life. Since the bike is some distance away from us, I was wondering if it would be of any value to take the time necessary to drive out to it and actually inspect and ride the bike. What say you? Thanks Jim Smithville-Texas

[Conall]

http://motard.concode.com/klr600se/ is a pretty good read concerning converting the KLR600 to a supermotard. Conall --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "J.A. Sherlock" wrote:

> Hi Folks, > > I have some questions about the KLR600. I was wondering if the 600 > lends itself as easily to modification as its 650 sibling? Can you > lower it? Is it possible to mount hard luggage? Is there any > substantive after-market support for the 600? I found a 600 that > visually appears to be in pretty good condition, for about $800. > Since my wife is looking for a ds bike, it seemed that the size, > weight, and price would be right up her alley, in comparison to the > 650. Provided, of course, that the bike is not a dog in real life. > Since the bike is some distance away from us, I was wondering if it > would be of any value to take the time necessary to drive out to it > and actually inspect and ride the bike. What say you? > > Thanks > > Jim > Smithville-Texas

[J.A. Sherlock]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Conall" wrote:

> http://motard.concode.com/klr600se/ is a pretty good read

concerning

> converting the KLR600 to a supermotard. > > Conall

Thanks Conall. Looks like that guy spent some big dollars on his 600. Then again, there probably won't be many like it. Thanks for the interesting read. Jim Smithville-Texas

[Norm Keller]

Richard Korpela posted an excellent referral to his photos of his custom hand guards. These look like they are far better than the stock ones so they go onto my list. One question for you though, Richard: What is the white stuff on the ground in the back ground? Oh, and what is the strange tracked vehicle (yellow) and what is it for? I hope these questions aren't out of line but I live in B.C.'s Fraser Valley and just got to wondering.... Oh well, time for a ride. (VBG) Norm DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com wrote:There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: rim strip?? From: "aboyandhisdawg" 2. Re: Idle screw, what I've found/done. final From: "James L. Miller Jr." 3. whos site is this? From: "Glen" 4. Re: whos site is this? From: "Dooden" 5. RE: Handlebar Vibes From: "Martin Waters" 6. KLR Rear Shock rebuild From: "bentwall2003" 7. New Boston MA rider From: "carlsonjustin" 8. Fork Seal Tools? From: "Glen" 9. Re: Tires - Stumped? From: "Randy Phillips" 10. Fork oil - European model From: "Mark Gray" 11. Plastic Tanks ( illegal ? ) From: imperial-4776@... 12. Remaining MX accessories still for sale From: "Andre Fiedler" 13. Re: whos site is this? From: Devon 14. Re: Handlebar Vibes From: "kelpo2001" 15. 2001 KLR and aftermarket upgrades/accessories for sale From: "Andre Fiedler" 16. Best Aluminum Panniers? From: Mss1389@... 17. Re: Re: Idle Screw replacement From: rm@... 18. Re: Fork oil - European model From: Devon 19. NKLR: Posting Problems From: "J.A. Sherlock" 20. KLR600 Questions From: "J.A. Sherlock" 21. Re: Miles to reserve From: "puzzledpanthermlm" 22. Re: Plastic Tanks ( illegal ? ) From: "cfesting" 23. spotted a ROKON parked in NYC..... From: Devon 24. Re: Miles to reserve From: "Mark Lewis" 25. Re: spotted a ROKON parked in NYC..... From: "Mark Lewis" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:46:15 -0000 From: "aboyandhisdawg" Subject: Re: rim strip?? i've used fiberglass reinforced strapping tape for years when building bicycle wheels, and on machine built factory wheels when the cheap rubber strip needed replacing. fixer KLR A1 #1187 Lost Wages, NV

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "dlars356" wrote: > I use thick rubber electrical tape for rim strips on my mountain > bike; anyone use it for motorcycle rims? > > Dave > A9, University Place, WA ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:13:39 -0000 From: "James L. Miller Jr." Subject: Re: Idle screw, what I've found/done. final By the way the front wheel is having problems (staying on the ground) I'd say it's done. Instead of my normal 3.5 mile rt to work, I took the loop. 5 miles 2 lane, 10 miles 4 lane, 10 miles 2 lane. Bike does just fine. Starts instantly after shutting off, no hesitation, no surge at speed and the temp didn't get above 1/3 (It is 41F outside) I'll work with the idle screw, but I thing we got it. Thanks! millerized (in the 70s this weekend, and I might have to work!) --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "James L. Miller Jr." wrote: > What I started with: Replaced stock idle screw with on of those > handy dandy brass knurled easy adjust ones. Screw was installed at > same setting as stock one (3+ turns). Shi, I mean crappy idle, hard > starting, ran VERY cold. Hot starts REALLY sucked. > OK, here's what I've found: No leaks around anything, clamps and > screws all tight. The needle was on the 2nd from the bottom (#4 > slot). The main jet was a 140. The enrichener seemed to be > partially out of the socket, possibly being "stuck on" (yeah, I > broke it a long time ago). Absolutely no sediment or water in > the bowl, float level set seems fine, no filter installed. Slide is > VERY worn on the cylinder side, to the point of having grooves in it > from the venturi, but doesn't bind on anything going up or down. > What I did. Kept the needle on the #4 slot, but changed the main > jet to the 150 that was in the kit. (The consensus was that I was > running too lean at speed, and too rich at idle to 1/2. Main jet > was figured to be the problem being too small, solution being to > raise needle or go up one on the main. Since I had an larger main > laying around, well....) Enrichener was "fixed" so it stays in the > socket like it's supposed to. Idle screw was taken to 2 turn off > seat. > Cold, it starts right up, with enrichener on, but not off. It > idles just fine as it warms up, requiring enrichener for only a few > seconds. Getting more than several hundred yards out of it before I > got chilled (sweating in a heated garage, riding outside in > 40something temps without a jacket) it seems to run, idle and > accelerate just fine. Hot starts are "touch of the button" and > instantaneous. Again, with idle just fine. > I'll wind it out tomorrow morning and report back. Temps should > be chilly, but not cold enough to hide any engine heat problems > should they show themselves. But, for time being, problem seems to > be solved. If there are any other findings, I'll report and > describe. > A hearty thanks to all who participated in the solution. The > first beer is on me. The second one you'll have to drink from the > bottle. > millerized > (once again saved from stupitity by the collective!) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:06:12 -0000 From: "Glen" Subject: whos site is this? http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wdean/klr650.html came across it today anyone out there? glenski a14 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:31:27 -0000 From: "Dooden" Subject: Re: whos site is this? --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" wrote: > http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wdean/klr650.html > > came across it today anyone out there? > > glenski > a14 Dunno, but pretty damn fair thoughts on the KLR to me. Love this bike.. Dooden A15 Green Ape (with a "Crash Test Dummy" pad on the handlebars) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:34:13 -0000 From: "Martin Waters" Subject: RE: Handlebar Vibes Forget the foams, gels and other gukky things that you could pour into your bars. Go to your local gun store and get 7 1/2 grade lead shot and pour it into the left side of your bars till the bars are full. Tilt your bike as you do it. The balls find there own way in (they roll...they are round like BB's) They don't have to be compressed. If your bike is anything like mine (A16 '02) you will get an AMAZING improvement in vibration dampening for about $3.00. If you live near Burlington, Ontario I have lots to give away. I had to buy the minimum size of 25 pounds Hmmm....maybe I could take up hunting. Martin in Canada ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:46:08 -0000 From: "bentwall2003" Subject: KLR Rear Shock rebuild Please send any info/websites on rebuilding KLR650 rear shocks. Mine is bouncing me down the trail and I cannot afford a new one. Thanks, Keith ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:04:58 -0000 From: "carlsonjustin" Subject: New Boston MA rider I just moved up to Boston from NYC. Are there any riders up in Boston to offroad with once I get my spark arrester back on? Justin ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:38:37 -0000 From: "Glen" Subject: Fork Seal Tools? the dealer just called and my fork seals (oil) are in and i am thinking i should do the work myself on them, since i have never been happy with their work and they charge a fortune. the question is what kinda tools do i need other than a socket set and wrenches?? since that is all that i have but i think the money would be better spent on tools than paying them the labour. i know i will need some fork oil and what else i am sure there are lots of people out there who have done it. and approximately how much time should i expect it to take since i have never done it before? thanks in advance glenski - wore out fork seals learnin to wheelie a14 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:45:13 -0600 From: "Randy Phillips" Subject: Re: Tires - Stumped? Steve - Thanks for the TKC80, tire - info. Much appreciated. Randy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:07:55 +0100 From: "Mark Gray" Subject: Fork oil - European model Hello, Could anyone give me information on the quantity and specification of oil required after a complete stripdown of the front forks. The bike is a 96 KLR650C - 41 mm forks. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:06:37 -0700 From: imperial-4776@... Subject: Plastic Tanks ( illegal ? ) Anyone ever had anything like this happen to them, because you have a plastic tank on your bike ? http://www.omra-online.org/2004/legalnews_09_2004.htm Dave Oregon ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:37:58 -0400 From: "Andre Fiedler" Subject: Remaining MX accessories still for sale FYI, I still have the following items for sale if anyone is interested: - Aerostitch Darien Hi-Viz Yellow Jacket (Large): $ 325 ($420 new) - Aerostitch Darien Padded Pants (Black, 32 Long): $ 200 (300 new) - Shoei RF 800 Full Face Helmet with tinted & clear lenses (Small): $ 150 ($430 new) - Shoei Motocross Helmet with Clear Goggles (Small): $ $ 75 ($ 200 new) - MSR Motocross Chest Protector/Deflector: $ 30 ($ 75 new) - Aluminum Motocross Center Stand: $ 35 ($ 65 new) All items are in Like-New Condition with very minimal usage. Pricing do not include shipping.email me off-list if interested.Andre FiedlerColorado Springs, COafiedler@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:51:59 -0400 From: Devon Subject: Re: whos site is this? Don't know, but at least I don't feel... so... alone.... anymore (sob!). http://xd8ad0695.ip.e-nt.net/klr/costco_run2.jpg Devon glenski_31@... wrote: >http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wdean/klr650.html > >came across it today anyone out there? > >glenski >a14 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:58:47 -0000 From: "kelpo2001" Subject: Re: Handlebar Vibes --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Waters" wrote: > Forget the foams, gels and other gukky things that you could pour > into your bars. Go to your local gun store and get 7 1/2 grade lead > shot and pour it into the left side of your bars till the bars are > full. Tilt your bike as you do it. The balls find there own way in > (they roll...they are round like BB's) They don't have to be > compressed. If your bike is anything like mine (A16 '02) you will get > an AMAZING improvement in vibration dampening for about $3.00. If > you live near Burlington, Ontario I have lots to give away. I had to > buy the minimum size of 25 pounds Hmmm....maybe I could take up > hunting. > Martin in Canada Last year I put some 50 cal. muzzle loader lead balls into my handle bars and they helped with the vibration. This year I removed the lead balls when I installed the Tusk handguards and wind deflectors made from a 5 gal. plastic oil pail. Lead is real heavy and the KLR is already top heavy. I also intalled the anti-vibration mirror mounts (the only chrome parts on my bike) from JC Whitney. This combination of mods to the handlebar seems to have really helped with the vibration on my bike. No more throttle hand numbness. The mirrors are actually useable now and have a better view angle because they are about an inch higher. I suspect that my homemade wind guards have something to do with the reduced vibration at highway speeds because they are considerably larger than the OEM guards and so have a larger flat plate aerodynamic drag that exerts a vibration absorbing force on the bar ends at speed. They are sure more effective than the OEMs and in my humble opinion better looking. You can see pics of them at this link http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/kelpo2001 Richard Korpela A15 Chapleau, ON ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:57:51 -0400 From: "Andre Fiedler" Subject: 2001 KLR and aftermarket upgrades/accessories for sale My 2001 KLR with only 1850 miles on it is still for sale,. It is located in Colorado SpringsIf interested in certain of the upgrade parts separately, please contact me and we can discuss pricing. - Both Factory Service Manuals- Kawasaki Cordura Tank, Tail and Saddlebags- Happy Trails Luggage Rack- 2 Givi E36 Cases & 1 Givi E45 Hard Shell Case- Radiator Guard- Master Cylinder Brake Fluid Reservoir Guard- Skid Plate- Centerstand (Dual Star)- Engine Case Guard/Highway "Cruiser" Pegs- IMS Foot Pegs- Happy Trails K9 Front Fork Brace- "Shark Fin" Rear Brake Protector- Folding shift Lever (+ spare lever)- Gel Hand Grips- IMS Rally Pro HandGuards- Battery Voltmeter- Hi Wattage Headlight Bulb- Magnetic Oil Drain Plug- Battery Tender Junior trickle charger (fully sealed unit)- Fabric Full Motorcycle Cover- Spare Front & Rear Tubes, Titanium Tire Irons- All receipts & maintenance records- Oil, Filter, Coolant & both brake fluids changed in November 2003 I am asking $ 4995 for the complete bike. I added up the cost of the accessories and they alone come to about $ 1900. Contact me at afiedler@.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:16:27 EDT From: Mss1389@... Subject: Best Aluminum Panniers? Can all KLR-650 riders who have or have used Aluminum Side Panniers Boxes tell me what brand names you prefer and why. I'm looking to purchase some for my 2004 KLR-650 and need some good Honest Input for my decision. They have to be secure and watertight I've been looking at Jesse and Happy Trails thanks for any and all Input. Mark S. Milton, WA. A-18 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:20:38 -0400 (EDT) From: rm@... Subject: Re: Re: Idle Screw replacement On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, thad_carey wrote: >I'm not sure I'd want an overly rich idle circuit (at least not one rich >enough to affect operating temps to any degree) because it seems it would >affect that critical "right off idle" response in a negative way. This >would surely be noticeable in technical off road situations where I like >a crisp, clean response throughout the throttle range. My throttle-response is buttery smooth with the screw at 3 turns out. I went 3 turns on my CV-carbed ZR-7 and got similar results. The stock settings on both bikes made the throttle like a on-off switch near idle. >I would also think this be a real problem as altitude increased--a place >where I have always been impressed with the relative performance of my >KLRs compared to other bikes and especially those with conventional >slide/needle carbs. With the rich idle mixture, the idle slows down at high altitude. Throttle response is still good. RM ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:26:01 -0400 From: Devon Subject: Re: Fork oil - European model gray184@... wrote: >Hello, >Could anyone give me information on the quantity and specification of oil >required after a complete stripdown of the front forks. The bike is a 96 >KLR650C - 41 mm forks. > The quantity is measured by level, not by volume. After the seals are replaced and the forks are reassembled (but before you put the springs and caps back on), bottom each fork completely, pour oil in until it's about 170mm from the top, then move the forks through the stroke several times to clear any air. Then remeasure, and top up. The level varies on rider preference- higher level = more bottoming resistance. 170mm is a decent start. Make sure both forks are even. As for the tools, if you aren't going to try the air pressure method, then you'll need to buy or make a damper rod holder. http://www.devonjarvisphoto.com/posted/emulators/damper_rod_holder_construction.html Devon ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:39:19 -0000 From: "J.A. Sherlock" Subject: NKLR: Posting Problems Hi all, I have SBCYahoo internet access. I have been having problems posting from my e-mail account and was wondering if anyone else has had this problem, or has any ideas. I can post directly from the group site, usually. Yet, when I try to send a message via my e-mail account, it === message truncated === --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]