death valley days

[Brad]

The LED "bulb" replacements aren't worth the money IMO, the problem is the visibility is lousy from an oblique angle, straight back okay but from anywhere else the light is just to dim. I purchased the Brake! LED Panel sold by Dual-Star and while more expensive than the bulb is an excellent product. In fact have been stopped by 2 police officers, one to chat about my speed, but the topic got on the led and the other just followed till I stopped, wanted to look at the bike. Both were impressed by the brightness and visibility of the light (set on strobe for 2 sec. and then solid), no tickets, only compliments. Also when I moved the plate onto to the fender I dropped the license plate light to save the wattage. No problems and when I was a full time LEO it a common reason to stop and chat with someone, think the led is lighting it enough to not be noticed it's missing. Brad A15 Centralia, WA

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike T" To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:42 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] more LED applications for the KLR650- get the watts for other items Well, in addition to the 20+LED 1157 bulb replacement for the tail/brake light, I noticed in the manual that the license plate light used 8 watts (3/4 amp ?) and the instrument panel lights ( avg watt each) well, you get the idea. The watts I free-up, the greater capacity reserve the 17w charging system has for heated grips/gloves, vest , running light, etc. - I have yet to do the turn-signals ( but the idea of mounting 1157's for running light/ turn signal lights is great for safety) Just more projects - but "dusty' is all over the garage in sections, so why not? Death Valley Daze is over 3 weeks away. Thoughts ? Mike T [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_klr650/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Curtis R Spivey]

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:42:48 -0800 "Mike T" writes: The watts I free-up, the greater capacity reserve the 17w charging system has for heated grips/gloves, vest , running light, etc What is the power output on the KLR alternator? I would think it is around 100 watts (8 amps) or more. How much extra power is available for accessories? Curtis Spivey '97 ST1100 (#3289) '97 PC800 (Roja) Nampa, Idaho

[Mike T]

What, the panel light was cop bait? How many LED's? What was the disbursement angle? Oh, Lumens? And was it a simple red herring to stop a racer? Can I hear more from others, please? Mike T Las Vegas -----Original Message----- From: Brad [mailto:bradklr650@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:02 PM To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com; Mike T Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] more LED applications for the KLR650- get the watts for other items The LED "bulb" replacements aren't worth the money IMO, the problem is the visibility is lousy from an oblique angle, straight back okay but from anywhere else the light is just to dim. I purchased the Brake! LED Panel sold by Dual-Star and while more expensive than the bulb is an excellent product. In fact have been stopped by 2 police officers, one to chat about my speed, but the topic got on the led and the other just followed till I stopped, wanted to look at the bike. Both were impressed by the brightness and visibility of the light (set on strobe for 2 sec. and then solid), no tickets, only compliments. Also when I moved the plate onto to the fender I dropped the license plate light to save the wattage. No problems and when I was a full time LEO it a common reason to stop and chat with someone, think the led is lighting it enough to not be noticed it's missing. Brad A15 Centralia, WA

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike T" To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:42 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] more LED applications for the KLR650- get the watts for other items Well, in addition to the 20+LED 1157 bulb replacement for the tail/brake light, I noticed in the manual that the license plate light used 8 watts (3/4 amp ?) and the instrument panel lights ( avg watt each) well, you get the idea. The watts I free-up, the greater capacity reserve the 17w charging system has for heated grips/gloves, vest , running light, etc. - I have yet to do the turn-signals ( but the idea of mounting 1157's for running light/ turn signal lights is great for safety) Just more projects - but "dusty' is all over the garage in sections, so why not? Death Valley Daze is over 3 weeks away. Thoughts ? Mike T [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_klr650/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Brad]

Cop bait? Don't understand the comment sounds disparaging, 18 leds, disbursement angle? easily seen at a 45' angle. The 20 bulb 1157 wasn't visible at the same point in daylight. Lumens - Documentation and packaging doesn't state. Check out Dual-Star.com or Homebody-design.com for technical information And racer comment again sounds insulting, don't understand that. I was traveling on state hwy in western WA was stopped for 68 in a 60. I was polite and the trooper commented on the flash and brightness of the tail light. No ticket. 2nd occasion was in eastern WA, Yakima Co. a deputy followed me into a gas station, he rides as well, stated he was interested in the bike and we chatted, I got fuel and left. Brad A15 Centralia, WA

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike T" To: "'Brad'" Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:53 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] more LED applications for the KLR650- get the watts for other items - 1st dialogue What, the panel light was cop bait? How many LED's? What was the disbursement angle? Oh, Lumens? And was it a simple red herring to stop a racer? Can I hear more from others, please? Mike T Las Vegas -----Original Message----- From: Brad [mailto:bradklr650@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:02 PM To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com; Mike T Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] more LED applications for the KLR650- get the watts for other items The LED "bulb" replacements aren't worth the money IMO, the problem is the visibility is lousy from an oblique angle, straight back okay but from anywhere else the light is just to dim. I purchased the Brake! LED Panel sold by Dual-Star and while more expensive than the bulb is an excellent product. In fact have been stopped by 2 police officers, one to chat about my speed, but the topic got on the led and the other just followed till I stopped, wanted to look at the bike. Both were impressed by the brightness and visibility of the light (set on strobe for 2 sec. and then solid), no tickets, only compliments. Also when I moved the plate onto to the fender I dropped the license plate light to save the wattage. No problems and when I was a full time LEO it a common reason to stop and chat with someone, think the led is lighting it enough to not be noticed it's missing. Brad A15 Centralia, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike T" To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:42 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] more LED applications for the KLR650- get the watts for other items Well, in addition to the 20+LED 1157 bulb replacement for the tail/brake light, I noticed in the manual that the license plate light used 8 watts (3/4 amp ?) and the instrument panel lights ( avg watt each) well, you get the idea. The watts I free-up, the greater capacity reserve the 17w charging system has for heated grips/gloves, vest , running light, etc. - I have yet to do the turn-signals ( but the idea of mounting 1157's for running light/ turn signal lights is great for safety) Just more projects - but "dusty' is all over the garage in sections, so why not? Death Valley Daze is over 3 weeks away. Thoughts ? Mike T [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_klr650/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_klr650/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Mike T]

I expected Word XP to get it, not. The KLR 97+ is 17A (per what I have read) not W (which is math related to a combined value of V and A). prior versions were 14ah - (manual page 1-5) - '97 etal are 17ah ( oh, from what I read). Ok, so I have 17A - same question, same load options, same positive result. Excuse me - Back to the point? Getting the vowel corrected is my issue, but then the Q was not addressed. LED etal, as useful for reduction in Amp draw reductions and survivable in shock- riding / off-road? Mike T Ps - thanks for getting my W and A together, as there must be accurate.

[Mike T]

Can you clarify? Mike T -----Original Message----- From: Brad [mailto:bradklr650@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:13 PM To: Mike T Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] more LED applications for the KLR650- get the watts for other items - 1st dialogue Cop bait? Don't understand the comment sounds disparaging, 18 leds, disbursement angle? easily seen at a 45' angle. The 20 bulb 1157 wasn't visible at the same point in daylight. Lumens - Documentation and packaging doesn't state. Check out Dual-Star.com or Homebody-design.com for technical information And racer comment again sounds insulting, don't understand that. I was traveling on state hwy in western WA was stopped for 68 in a 60. I was polite and the trooper commented on the flash and brightness of the tail light. No ticket. 2nd occasion was in eastern WA, Yakima Co. a deputy followed me into a gas station, he rides as well, stated he was interested in the bike and we chatted, I got fuel and left. Brad A15 Centralia, WA

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike T" To: "'Brad'" Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:53 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] more LED applications for the KLR650- get the watts for other items - 1st dialogue What, the panel light was cop bait? How many LED's? What was the disbursement angle? Oh, Lumens? And was it a simple red herring to stop a racer? Can I hear more from others, please? Mike T Las Vegas -----Original Message----- From: Brad [mailto:bradklr650@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:02 PM To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com; Mike T Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] more LED applications for the KLR650- get the watts for other items The LED "bulb" replacements aren't worth the money IMO, the problem is the visibility is lousy from an oblique angle, straight back okay but from anywhere else the light is just to dim. I purchased the Brake! LED Panel sold by Dual-Star and while more expensive than the bulb is an excellent product. In fact have been stopped by 2 police officers, one to chat about my speed, but the topic got on the led and the other just followed till I stopped, wanted to look at the bike. Both were impressed by the brightness and visibility of the light (set on strobe for 2 sec. and then solid), no tickets, only compliments. Also when I moved the plate onto to the fender I dropped the license plate light to save the wattage. No problems and when I was a full time LEO it a common reason to stop and chat with someone, think the led is lighting it enough to not be noticed it's missing. Brad A15 Centralia, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike T" To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:42 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] more LED applications for the KLR650- get the watts for other items Well, in addition to the 20+LED 1157 bulb replacement for the tail/brake light, I noticed in the manual that the license plate light used 8 watts (3/4 amp ?) and the instrument panel lights ( avg watt each) well, you get the idea. The watts I free-up, the greater capacity reserve the 17w charging system has for heated grips/gloves, vest , running light, etc. - I have yet to do the turn-signals ( but the idea of mounting 1157's for running light/ turn signal lights is great for safety) Just more projects - but "dusty' is all over the garage in sections, so why not? Death Valley Daze is over 3 weeks away. Thoughts ? Mike T [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_klr650/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_klr650/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[sdnz13]

In California vehicle code 26101 says ANY modification of the lighting system from stock is violation, but the biggest issue is color changes, extra colored marker/vanity lights, or reduction is brightness. Lots of times it is just just a reason to stop someone and if not it is a mechanical fix it ticket, unless your dumb enough to admitt that you knew it was illegal, don't give a s@#t, and intend to leave them on. Most people view "cop bait" as a BS reason to get stopped but the reality is that it is a risk of modifying any motor vehicle. Again, the cop has to know that it has been modified which tends to be unlikely unless they are a rider too, but then most just want to check it out. Ojn the LED issue, I just did the full conversion, tail lamp (dual star), turn signals (radiantz), rear running lights, and will be doing the indicators soon. Brightness directly looking at the bulb went way up, off to the side went way down for the turn signals, but not the tail lamp. I think this is more due to the mounting of the bulbs and design than anything else. the tail lamp sits further out in the housing where the turn bulbs are deeper in the housing. My experience with the 1157/1156 bulb type LEDs is that they suck. expensive, not as bright, and poor visablity angles. The conversion was a fair amount of work, with some bugs that need to be work out, but it was worth it IMHO. Scott Dansie Bike alway get breaks

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Mike T" wrote: > I expected Word XP to get it, not. > > The KLR 97+ is 17A (per what I have read) not W (which is math related to a > combined value of V and A). prior versions were 14ah - (manual page 1-5) - > '97 etal are 17ah ( oh, from what I read). > > Ok, so I have 17A - same question, same load options, same positive result. > Excuse me - > > Back to the point? > > Getting the vowel corrected is my issue, but then the Q was not addressed. > > > LED etal, as useful for reduction in Amp draw reductions and survivable in > shock- riding / off-road? > > > Mike T > > > Ps - thanks for getting my W and A together, as there must be accurate.

[Curtis R Spivey]

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:27:02 -0800 "Mike T" writes:

> The KLR 97+ is 17A (per what I have read) not W (which is math > related to a combined value of V and A). prior versions were 14ah -

(manual page

> 1-5) - '97 etal are 17ah ( oh, from what I read). >

200 watts should be enough power to run my Gerbing jacket and gloves. But, I think you would be cutting it close if you plugged in a set of heated pants. Curtis '97 ST1100 (STOC #3289) '97 PC800 (Roja) Nampa, Idaho http://www.geocities.com/curtspivey/

[Mike T]

Thanks for the clarifications! The LED issue regarding field of view limits, and also the lumen output of each LED, is relevant. Still, the idea of getting some extra amps back... Yummy! Also, the cops issue - not much different in now californicated Nevada. Mike T A16 Las Vegas -----Original Message----- From: sdnz13 [mailto:sdnz@...] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 6:26 AM To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: more LED applications for the KLR650- get the watts for other items In California vehicle code 26101 says ANY modification of the lighting system from stock is violation, but the biggest issue is color changes, extra colored marker/vanity lights, or reduction is brightness. Lots of times it is just just a reason to stop someone and if not it is a mechanical fix it ticket, unless your dumb enough to admitt that you knew it was illegal, don't give a s@#t, and intend to leave them on. Most people view "cop bait" as a BS reason to get stopped but the reality is that it is a risk of modifying any motor vehicle. Again, the cop has to know that it has been modified which tends to be unlikely unless they are a rider too, but then most just want to check it out. Ojn the LED issue, I just did the full conversion, tail lamp (dual star), turn signals (radiantz), rear running lights, and will be doing the indicators soon. Brightness directly looking at the bulb went way up, off to the side went way down for the turn signals, but not the tail lamp. I think this is more due to the mounting of the bulbs and design than anything else. the tail lamp sits further out in the housing where the turn bulbs are deeper in the housing. My experience with the 1157/1156 bulb type LEDs is that they suck. expensive, not as bright, and poor visablity angles. The conversion was a fair amount of work, with some bugs that need to be work out, but it was worth it IMHO. Scott Dansie Bike alway get breaks

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Mike T" wrote: > I expected Word XP to get it, not. > > The KLR 97+ is 17A (per what I have read) not W (which is math related to a > combined value of V and A). prior versions were 14ah - (manual page 1-5) - > '97 etal are 17ah ( oh, from what I read). > > Ok, so I have 17A - same question, same load options, same positive result. > Excuse me - > > Back to the point? > > Getting the vowel corrected is my issue, but then the Q was not addressed. > > > LED etal, as useful for reduction in Amp draw reductions and survivable in > shock- riding / off-road? > > > Mike T > > > Ps - thanks for getting my W and A together, as there must be accurate. List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_klr650/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[bigfatgreenbike@netscape.net]

Curtis R Spivey wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:27:02 -0800 "Mike T" writes: >> The KLR 97+ is 17A >200 watts should be enough power to run my Gerbing jacket and gloves. >But, I think you would be cutting it close if you plugged in a set of >heated pants. >

It should be enough, but I've heard 170w not 200. And using a 45w vest and 25w grip heaters, seems to require occasional trickle charging if you ride in the city a lot. Devon -- Brooklyn '01 A15-Z KLR650 '81 SR500 __________________________________________________________________ New! Unlimited Access from the Netscape Internet Service. Beta test the new Netscape Internet Service for only $1.00 per month until 3/1/04. Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Act now to get a personalized email address! Netscape. Just the Net You Need.