any colorado folk that would be down for a monday/tuesday ride?

[ridinghome@aol.com]

Ok Lads, I've run into an interesting and totally unexpected situation when mounting a new set of Avon Gripsters on the KLR. All went well until I went to inflate the tube in the new rear tire (new HD tube too). The tire is tucked into the rim for an 8 to 10 inch section on each side, about 130 degrees from each sides respective tuck point. Tucked in as in not seated out on the bead fully, so the sidewall is pulled over to theat side and the tire is not round on the wheel when spun on the axle. I tried running it up to about 55 lbs, but then was unnerved enough to stop and back it down. Don't want to damage the equipment, the bikes or my own. Even tried putting tie downs around the circumference to flatten the bead out and running up the pressure, but to no avail. So what's up with this? Bad tire? Need to run up the pressure higher? more lube on the bead? Thanks in advance for the assistance. Courtney in Dallas STOC 1052 A16 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[bigfatgreenbike]

ridinghome@... wrote:

>more >lube on the bead? >

Bingo. Deflate the tube, push the bead off the edge and into the center of the rim on the side that won't go. Liberally slime the tire bead AND the rim with straight dishwashing liquid, like Ivory or something else that you like the smell of because it gets everywhere. With it all lubed up, it should go on easily enough. You can go higher, like 60-70psi to seat the bead but sometimes stopping at 50 and bouncing the tire on the ground works also. -- Devon Brooklyn, NY A15-Z '01 KLR650 '81 SR500 cafe racer "The truth's not too popular these days....." Arnold Schwarzenneger, in The Running Man

[Judson D. Jones]

More lube.

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, ridinghome@a... wrote: > Ok Lads, > > I've run into an interesting and totally unexpected situation when mounting a > new set of Avon Gripsters on the KLR. All went well until I went to inflate > the tube in the new rear tire (new HD tube too). The tire is tucked into the > rim for an 8 to 10 inch section on each side, about 130 degrees from each sides > respective tuck point. Tucked in as in not seated out on the bead fully, so > the sidewall is pulled over to theat side and the tire is not round on the > wheel when spun on the axle. > > I tried running it up to about 55 lbs, but then was unnerved enough to stop > and back it down. Don't want to damage the equipment, the bikes or my own. Even > tried putting tie downs around the circumference to flatten the bead out and > running up the pressure, but to no avail. > > So what's up with this? Bad tire? Need to run up the pressure higher? more > lube on the bead? > > Thanks in advance for the assistance. > > Courtney in Dallas > STOC 1052 > A16 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Thor Lancelot Simon]

On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 11:14:50PM -0400, ridinghome@... wrote:

> Ok Lads, > > I've run into an interesting and totally unexpected situation when mounting a > new set of Avon Gripsters on the KLR. All went well until I went to inflate > the tube in the new rear tire (new HD tube too). The tire is tucked into the > rim for an 8 to 10 inch section on each side, about 130 degrees from each sides > respective tuck point. Tucked in as in not seated out on the bead fully, so > the sidewall is pulled over to theat side and the tire is not round on the > wheel when spun on the axle.

You probably have a Gripster marked "tubeless", yes? I helped replace a worn-out (but not very old) tube-type rear Gripster with a new tubeless one (using a tube, of course) -- we noticed that the sidewall of the new tire was a *lot* stiffer than the old one and that it was quite difficult both to get it over the rim without damaging the bead, and to get the bead seated. I believe the Distanzias currently on my bike have even stiffer sidewalls than the tubeless Gripsters. If I replace them with the same thing (I probably won't, just because of cost) I may well get someone else to do the mounting, just to save myself the time, frustration, and bruised knuckles.

[kdxkawboy@aol.com]

Another vote for more lube. Over all the years of riding and tire changing the Avon Gripster has to have been the most miserable tire I've had to mount or dismount. Pat G'ville, Nv In a message dated 2003-09-02 11:33:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, judjonzz@... writes:

> > More lube. > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, ridinghome@a... wrote: > >Ok Lads, > > > >I've run into an interesting and totally unexpected situation > when mounting a > >new set of Avon Gripsters on the KLR. All went well until I went > to inflate > >the tube in the new rear tire (new HD tube too). The tire is > tucked into the > >rim for an 8 to 10 inch section on each side, about 130 > degrees from each sides > >respective tuck point. Tucked in as in not seated out on the > bead fully, so > >the sidewall is pulled over to theat side and the tire is not > round on the > >wheel when spun on the axle. > > > >I tried running it up to about 55 lbs, but then was unnerved > enough to stop > >and back it down. Don't want to damage the equipment, the > bikes or my own. Even > >tried putting tie downs around the circumference to flatten the > bead out and > >running up the pressure, but to no avail. > > > >So what's up with this? Bad tire? Need to run up the pressure > higher? more > >lube on the bead? > > > >Thanks in advance for the assistance. > > > >Courtney in Dallas >

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[Bogdan Swider]

> With it all lubed up, it should go on easily enough. You can go higher, > like 60-70psi to seat the bead but sometimes stopping at 50 and bouncing > > the tire on the ground works also. >

Gripsters are a pain to seat. Try banging on the recalcitrant areas with a rubber mallet. FWIW I bought a lifetime supply of tire mounting slime at Napa for about $10.

> "The truth's not too popular these days....." >

Probably never has been; conventional wisdom, political correctness, whatever suits most people fine. Bogdan 95 klr 98 Ford Escort Wagon

[agh19]

I think I had to go a bit over 70 psi to get my Gripsters to seat, coupled with a lot of lube. I wouldn't be very worried about pumping the thing up to 90 psi, as long as it wasn't under load at the time. Wear eye protection.

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, ridinghome@a... wrote: > Ok Lads, > > I've run into an interesting and totally unexpected situation when mounting a > new set of Avon Gripsters on the KLR. All went well until I went to inflate > the tube in the new rear tire (new HD tube too).

[Stu]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 11:14:50PM -0400, ridinghome@a... wrote: > > Ok Lads, > > > > I've run into an interesting and totally unexpected situation

when mounting a

> > new set of Avon Gripsters on the KLR.

SNIP Yamaha tire mouting lube in an aerosol can cures all these types of problems, and one 16 oz. can will do 20 tires minimum. Ride fast and take chances, CA Stu

[xs650@dejazzd.com]

I didn't know about the tire lube, but they make/sell carb cleaner that is mixed with water that doesn't attack the rubber parts. Don't even think about trying other carb cleaners on rubber parts. Eric in Pa

> > From: "Stu" > > Yamaha tire mouting lube in an aerosol can cures all these types of > problems, and one 16 oz. can will do 20 tires minimum. > > Ride fast and take chances, > CA Stu

[rm@richardmay.net]

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Stu wrote:

>Yamaha tire mouting lube in an aerosol can cures all these types of >problems, and one 16 oz. can will do 20 tires minimum.

Armor-All makes a pretty good bead lube. I've also been using it on the tubes in place of talc. Abrasion wear seems to be greatly reduced. RM