wheel bearing follies

[mrmooseisloose]

OK, here it is. The results are for a 2002 KLR 650, 5098 miles, 2 oil changes, 1st valve adjust clearance specs: Left Exhaust .076 mm (a good ways out of spec, the tightest one) Right Exhaust .102 mm (a little out of spec) Left Intake .127 mm (pretty dam good) Right Intake .127 mm ( again, dam good) After reading some more posts, looking over everything, and most importantly finding out that between the 5 local dealers and bike shops close to me that I could get the shims I needed in my hand asap, I dove in that motor and it was eeeeeeaaaaaaassssssyyyyy! Thank you so much mark for the spot on directions. They are very good. ( I did the parts that you said were "not needed but made the job easier" and thats the only way I will do it from now on. It would have been a real pain in the arse not to have done them.) Now I just need to know one thing ( I'm not quite done yet due to all day rides starting at 8:00 a.m. at Sears Point Raceway for Wed, Thurs, and Fri. Way freakin fun!) How do you torque the right side intake cap bolts? My Sears beam torque wrench is too tall to fit under the frame! Do I have to buy a 3/8 or 1/4 drive click type torque wrench for just 2 lousy bolts. That would sure suck. So far I have only had to shell out $10 for 3 shims and $9 for a nice set of Napa feeler gauges. HELP! MrMoose A8 (Barbie and Ken special)

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "The Mule" wrote: > Let us know what you find when you get in there Mr. Moose, ung-Kai? > > This could be very educational, class......... > > > The Mule > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mrmooseisloose" > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:28 AM > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: A16-5000 miles-no valve adjust yet > > > > Thanks everyone! I think I have covered everything now and your > > information has givin me all the details I need to do this thing. > > It's not that I haven't done valve jobs before, I have done them on > > most of my bikes. I just haven't done them on the KLR yet and have > > never done shim types. Its time for me to shut up and get to work. > > I'm going to get a nice set of feeler gauges right now and start > > tearing down to see what we've got. Thanks again. > > > > MrMoose > > A8 (Barbie and Ken special) > > > >

[Larry Risley]

A fishing scale and a box end wrench work for me. Larry

----- Original Message ----- > How do you torque the right side intake cap bolts? My Sears beam > torque wrench is too tall to fit under the frame! Do I have to buy a > 3/8 or 1/4 drive click type torque wrench for just 2 lousy bolts. > That would sure suck. So far I have only had to shell out $10 for 3 > shims and $9 for a nice set of Napa feeler gauges. HELP! > > MrMoose > A8 (Barbie and Ken special)

[The Mule]

Now that's not so bad as I thought it might be. I wonder if that's pretty typical or your friend just got lucky. Just got The Mule back today from the dealer........1,500 miles, first check-up. I feel like I really got hosed this time. I have the bill from 4 years ago, 1999, when my A14 had it's first check-up. Then, it was $100........they changed some shims, oil and filter change, cleaned air filter, adjusted and lubed cables, etc. This time on the A17, it was $215.........!!! They changed NO shims, and just did the other crap. More than twice the price! They told me "inflation"! In addition, some of my aftermarket stuff was reassembled wrong, and they scuffed the side of the gas tank pretty good. Damn, this is the last time I pay any shop to do work on my bike (except maybe Fred, who's 2,000 miles away). Too many bad experiences. The intakes were both .15mm, and the exhausts were both .18mm........as found and as left........so they say. And that was after I told them I wanted them at .2 and .25. I'm going to have to get in there myself and check. I'm getting better at getting over being screwed in my old age, but I gotta tell ya........I was not a happy camper today. Tomorrow, it's gonna be a thorough check and adjust of all the non-engine stuff (not equipped to tackle the engine stuff yet) in preparation for the trip out to the dirt party in PA this weekend. I think it's all gonna be alright after all. The Mule

----- Original Message ----- From: "mrmooseisloose" > OK, here it is. The results are for a 2002 KLR 650, 5098 miles, 2 > oil changes, 1st valve adjust clearance specs: > > Left Exhaust .076 mm (a good ways out of spec, the tightest one) > > Right Exhaust .102 mm (a little out of spec) > > Left Intake .127 mm (pretty dam good) > > Right Intake .127 mm ( again, dam good) >

[mrmooseisloose]

I tend to think that he got lucky, but if the dealer you took your bike to actually did check yours and thats really where they are at, then I would have to say that they can go longer than the 500 mile recommandaion without worrying too much. I am sorry to hear that you had another "Dealer experience". I am way to much of a damn perfectionist to take mine there for the very same reasons. I would notice at a glance EVERYTHING that they did not put back right or screwed up and then I would be pissed that they did not put the valves on the high side like you wanted them. The damage that they do to a bike when its there is in my opinion just completely unexcuseable and should be righted if more than $20 damage or more. I just don't get that. I take alot of pride in my work just for me and when I work on somebody elses bike, its even MORE important that I do it right, do what they want,(as long as it make sense) and give them back the bike looking BETTER than I got it. (like washing it) Doesn't anyone give a damn these days? Why didn't you do them yourself? You only need a few tools. You could even buy cheap tools to do it since there's no real big torque bolts to do the valves and you know how great this list is. MrMoose A8 (Barbie and Ken special) -- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "The Mule" wrote:

> Now that's not so bad as I thought it might be. I wonder if that's

pretty

> typical or your friend just got lucky. > Just got The Mule back today from the dealer........1,500

miles, first

> check-up. I feel like I really got hosed this time. I have the bill

from 4

> years ago, 1999, when my A14 had it's first check-up. Then, it was > $100........they changed some shims, oil and filter change, cleaned

air

> filter, adjusted and lubed cables, etc. This time on the A17, it was > $215.........!!! They changed NO shims, and just did the other

crap. More

> than twice the price! They told me "inflation"! In addition, some

of my

> aftermarket stuff was reassembled wrong, and they scuffed the side

of the

> gas tank pretty good. Damn, this is the last time I pay any shop to

do work

> on my bike (except maybe Fred, who's 2,000 miles away). Too many bad > experiences. > The intakes were both .15mm, and the exhausts were

both .18mm........as

> found and as left........so they say. And that was after I told

them I

> wanted them at .2 and .25. I'm going to have to get in there myself

and

> check. I'm getting better at getting over being screwed in my old

age, but I

> gotta tell ya........I was not a happy camper today. > Tomorrow, it's gonna be a thorough check and adjust of all the > non-engine stuff (not equipped to tackle the engine stuff yet) in > preparation for the trip out to the dirt party in PA this weekend.

I think

> it's all gonna be alright after all. > > The Mule > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mrmooseisloose" > > > > OK, here it is. The results are for a 2002 KLR 650, 5098 miles, 2 > > oil changes, 1st valve adjust clearance specs: > > > > Left Exhaust .076 mm (a good ways out of spec, the tightest one) > > > > Right Exhaust .102 mm (a little out of spec) > > > > Left Intake .127 mm (pretty dam good) > > > > Right Intake .127 mm ( again, dam good) > >

[Mark St.Hilaire, Sr]

> Thank you so much mark for the spot on directions. They are very > good. ( I did the parts that you said were "not needed but made the > job easier" and thats the only way I will do it from now on. It > would have been a real pain in the arse not to have done them.)

You're quite welcome, I'm glad it worked out for you.

> How do you torque the right side intake cap bolts? My Sears beam > torque wrench is too tall to fit under the frame! Do I have to buy a > 3/8 or 1/4 drive click type torque wrench for just 2 lousy bolts.

It might be that it's the beam type, and already too tall? I use a Craftsman 3/8 "digital" type torque wrench - (Yeah, yeah. Don't start, that what I have, so that's what I use - and it works just fine) - and have a metric 3/8" drive socket set that goes down to 10mm, or maybe 8mm. I use long extensions on the left side, and with just the correct size socket on the torque wrench it fits in there without any trouble... Mark KLR650 Motorcycle Pages: http://klr6500.tripod.com/ HomePage: http://home.adelphia.net/~msaint/index.html My Adelphia Email can be "iffy." If you don't get a response, please try: KLR6500@...

[Devon Jarvis]

What shop did you go to? Devon The Mule wrote:

> > Now that's not so bad as I thought it might be. I wonder if that's pretty > typical or your friend just got lucky. > Just got The Mule back today from the dealer........1,500 miles, first > check-up. I feel like I really got hosed this time.

[The Mule]

> What shop did you go to? > > Devon >

...........Camrod. There's a mechanic named Carlos there who's actually pretty good. The problem is the management IMO. They're irresponsible bloodsucking leeches. They're a rip-off, and they allow unqualified understudies to dick with your bike, and they regularly screw things up. I'm always emphatic about letting only Carlos touch the bike, but when I popped in unexpected a couple times I see grease monkeys messing with stuff that's not even part of the requested work. One time they told me the bike was ready to go, I came in the next day only to find that someone had taken my Odyssey battery out and was using it to work on someone else's bike! Another time I got the bike back with the wrong lens and screws cobbed onto a rear turn signal, initially the turn signal was fine and I had requested no work on them. Also, when I got the A17, the manager told me his in-house insurance agent could get me a better deal on insurance than the Progressive I previously had. So they gave me a quote (Foremost) for less than I used to pay for Progressive. I paid and a week later got a letter saying they wanted $170 more because of my "record". I called Progressive myself, arranged a deal for way less than the original quote for Foremost from Camrod's agent, despite my "record". I still got hosed for 2 weeks prorated coverage from Foremost for that time, and the scum agent still retained some of his broker fee. The lazy slimeball didn't do his job, I had to get the best deal for myself, and he still gets blood money out of it. I could go on, but you get the picture.......... The Mule

[Karl Juengel]

Typical story about Cam-Rod. It's amazing that they stay in business with all negative experiences people have had with them. But then again New Yorkers do like to pay out the nose to be abused. BTW what is Progressive getting out of you for coverage? I have full coverage with a 1000 deductible, and it's 600 something a year. Karl A14

> > > >> What shop did you go to? >> >> Devon >> > > > ...........Camrod. There's a mechanic named Carlos there who's actually > pretty good. The problem is the management IMO. They're irresponsible > bloodsucking leeches. They're a rip-off, and they allow unqualified > understudies to dick with your bike, and they regularly screw things up. I'm > always emphatic about letting only Carlos touch the bike, but when I popped > in unexpected a couple times I see grease monkeys messing with stuff that's > not even part of the requested work. One time they told me the bike was > ready to go, I came in the next day only to find that someone had taken my > Odyssey battery out and was using it to work on someone else's bike! Another > time I got the bike back with the wrong lens and screws cobbed onto a rear > turn signal, initially the turn signal was fine and I had requested no work > on them. Also, when I got the A17, the manager told me his in-house > insurance agent could get me a better deal on insurance than the Progressive > I previously had. So they gave me a quote (Foremost) for less than I used to > pay for Progressive. I paid and a week later got a letter saying they wanted > $170 more because of my "record". I called Progressive myself, arranged a > deal for way less than the original quote for Foremost from Camrod's agent, > despite my "record". I still got hosed for 2 weeks prorated coverage from > Foremost for that time, and the scum agent still retained some of his broker > fee. The lazy slimeball didn't do his job, I had to get the best deal for > myself, and he still gets blood money out of it. > I could go on, but you get the picture.......... > > The Mule > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy > of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[zrod73026]

An unfortunate service history, Muleman! I had bad dreams before my first service. First of all the Gurus here had me convinced they weren't really going to do shit for my 180 labor only. Also, in my nightmares, I see greasy weedhead coming back from lunch all red eyed and wondering where he left off. Which bike was it anyway? That's when he finally sees it across the cluttered shop. Oh, there it is! That's when he stumbles toward my bike not noticing my beautiful 2003 gas tank with the wonderfull graphics that he left on the shop floor grinding the paint off the bottom edges. He doesn't notice it, kicks it like a soccer ball sending it tumbling across the garage. Whew! Couldn't sleep nights. I did that shit myself and these guys babysat me through it all. What was that old sayin Mule? Fool me once, shame...... oh, I forget the rest, anyway, we were adequately warned.

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "The Mule" wrote: > > > > > What shop did you go to? > > > > Devon > > > > > ...........Camrod. There's a mechanic named Carlos there who's actually > pretty good. The problem is the management IMO. They're irresponsible > bloodsucking leeches. They're a rip-off, and they allow unqualified > understudies to dick with your bike, and they regularly screw things up. I'm > always emphatic about letting only Carlos touch the bike, but when I popped > in unexpected a couple times I see grease monkeys messing with stuff that's > not even part of the requested work. One time they told me the bike was > ready to go, I came in the next day only to find that someone had taken my > Odyssey battery out and was using it to work on someone else's bike! Another > time I got the bike back with the wrong lens and screws cobbed onto a rear > turn signal, initially the turn signal was fine and I had requested no work > on them. Also, when I got the A17, the manager told me his in-house > insurance agent could get me a better deal on insurance than the Progressive > I previously had. So they gave me a quote (Foremost) for less than I used to > pay for Progressive. I paid and a week later got a letter saying they wanted > $170 more because of my "record". I called Progressive myself, arranged a > deal for way less than the original quote for Foremost from Camrod's agent, > despite my "record". I still got hosed for 2 weeks prorated coverage from > Foremost for that time, and the scum agent still retained some of his broker > fee. The lazy slimeball didn't do his job, I had to get the best deal for > myself, and he still gets blood money out of it. > I could go on, but you get the picture.......... > > The Mule

[Devon Jarvis]

The Mule wrote:

> > > What shop did you go to? > > > > Devon > > > > ...........Camrod.

OK, I had a long and tiresome list of Camrod sob stories, but decided it was just too annoying to post. Short form- Don't go to Camrod on 11th Ave in NYC. They suck. Maybe one of their mechanics doesn't (I can't confirm this), but everyone else there does. I bought my KLR there, I'm never going back. Devon -- "It's a troublesome world, all the people who are in it, are troubled with troubles almost every minute" Dr. Seuss