----- Original Message ----- From: RL To: midnight_rider1960 Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 1:07 PM Subject: Re: Accurate Texas Mapping on 10/12/02 12:50 AM, midnight_rider1960 at midnight_rider1960@... wrote: I moved to Texas a couple years ago. What I found was very frustrating. It seems that none of the readily available maps are very accurate. Hardly any of the roads are where they should be, according to a map and compass, sorry Boy Scouts. I can't afford a GPS and software. I am hoping you might be able to tell me where to get accurate maps in Texas. I'm located about 40 miles south east of Austin. Sincerely, Jim Sherlock There are a number of mapping alternatives. Hopefully, Randy Eads will reply to your message. He is the Texas backcountry guru, and lives in Austin now. RL Dallas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Accurate Texas MappingHello,
Is there a Randy Eads in the house? My name is Jim Sherlock and I live in Cedar Creek approximately 40 miles to your south east. I need to locate a reasonable source for obtaining accurate maps of central Texas. So far, Rand McNally, National Geographic, and De Lorme have failed me miserably, in my humble opinion. I seek to find ways to really have a direction to go, and your target is where you expect it to be. My main problem after the inaccurate maps, is there aren't any points of reference to follow, like I had in California. At least in California, there was no such thing as getting really lost, for me. Here in the Texas Hill and prairie country, I find it difficult to get back to places I really enjoyed riding on. I went on a ride with two of our listers, each separately, and I can only find my way back to one of the areas we visited. I had a blast, it was dirt golf rock road, a couple rocky water crossings, some pretty country, and a nice valley with an abundance of spring time flowers and such. I've struck out with three of my purchased maps (($89.00 investment). I would like to ask you to share your knowledge with me, please.
Jim
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Hey, Jim. I thought for sure you were banned. Glad to have your
wide and varying post are still here.
Have you ever done an internet search for like google.com, etc.
Anywho: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
/0940672642/qid=1034555283/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-8001304-1874536?
v=glance
The *BEST* map of Texas. Shows every road.
Pat
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live in Cedar Creek approximately 40 miles to your south east. I need to locate a reasonable source for obtaining accurate maps of central Texas. So far, Rand McNally, National Geographic, and De Lorme have failed me miserably, in my humble opinion. I seek to find ways to really have a direction to go, and your target is where you expect it to be. My main problem after the inaccurate maps, is there aren't any points of reference to follow, like I had in California. At least in California, there was no such thing as getting really lost, for me. Here in the Texas Hill and prairie country, I find it difficult to get back to places I really enjoyed riding on. I went on a ride with two of our listers, each separately, and I can only find my way back to one of the areas we visited. I had a blast, it was dirt golf rock road, a couple rocky water crossings, some pretty country, and a nice valley with an abundance of spring time flowers and such. I've struck out with three of my purchased maps (($89.00 investment). I would like to ask you to share your knowledge with me, please.> Re: Accurate Texas MappingHello, > > Is there a Randy Eads in the house? My name is Jim Sherlock and I
wrote:> > Jim > midnight_rider1960 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: RL > To: midnight_rider1960 > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 1:07 PM > Subject: Re: Accurate Texas Mapping > > > on 10/12/02 12:50 AM, midnight_rider1960 at midnight_rider1960@s...
frustrating. It seems that none of the readily available maps are very accurate. Hardly any of the roads are where they should be, according to a map and compass, sorry Boy Scouts. I can't afford a GPS and software. I am hoping you might be able to tell me where to get accurate maps in Texas. I'm located about 40 miles south east of Austin.> > > I moved to Texas a couple years ago. What I found was very
will reply to your message. He is the Texas backcountry guru, and lives in Austin now.> > Sincerely, > > Jim Sherlock > > > > There are a number of mapping alternatives. Hopefully, Randy Eads
> > RL > Dallas > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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live in Cedar Creek approximately 40 miles to your south east. I need to locate a reasonable source for obtaining accurate maps of central Texas. All you central Texas riders, These maps you can get at area bookstores... "Texas Atlas and Gazeteer" by DeLorme. This ia a big coffee table size map book with the entire state and street maps of most all cities, but the back roads such as county roads and small subdivision roads are tiny and unlabeled. But the city maps and farm-to market roads are very helpful for detouring rush-hour traffic jams. 166 pages.$15. The year 1995 on my copy. A better choice is "The Roads of Texas" by Shearer Publishing. It came out in 1988 and it has ALL the county roads shown plus all the other roads. The latest editions has county road numbers shown for most counties. This is also a big coffee table size map book. It shows the best small details for the whole state right down to the cattle guards on county roads. My 1995 revised edition has 176 pages. list price was $15. Down side is the city streets are not labeled. Best choice for the Austin area is to go to Sam's Club megawarehouse and they have a big stock of a spiral bound "Mighty Map" for these 4 counties...Hays,Bastrop,Blanco, and Calwell. These maps get down to even rural driveways and the book is not too big for your saddle bag or daypack. Seems like it was less than $20. I don't have it with me so I don't know the publisher. But I do know that Sam's has them now. These came out in 2002. I hope this helps, Billy Brooks in Dripping Springs,TX> Re: Accurate Texas MappingHello, > > Is there a Randy Eads in the house? My name is Jim Sherlock and I
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Is there a DeLorme for Texas?
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "hens_p" wrote: > Hey, Jim. I thought for sure you were banned. Glad to have your > wide and varying post are still here. > > Have you ever done an internet search for like google.com, etc.> > Anywho: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- > /0940672642/qid=1034555283/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-8001304- 1874536? > v=glance > > The *BEST* map of Texas. Shows every road. > > Pat > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "midnight_rider1960" > wrote: > > Re: Accurate Texas MappingHello, > > > > Is there a Randy Eads in the house? My name is Jim Sherlock and I > live in Cedar Creek approximately 40 miles to your south east. I need > to locate a reasonable source for obtaining accurate maps of central > Texas. So far, Rand McNally, National Geographic, and De Lorme have > failed me miserably, in my humble opinion. I seek to find ways to > really have a direction to go, and your target is where you expect it > to be. My main problem after the inaccurate maps, is there aren't any > points of reference to follow, like I had in California. At least in > California, there was no such thing as getting really lost, for me. > Here in the Texas Hill and prairie country, I find it difficult to > get back to places I really enjoyed riding on. I went on a ride with > two of our listers, each separately, and I can only find my way back > to one of the areas we visited. I had a blast, it was dirt golf rock > road, a couple rocky water crossings, some pretty country, and a nice > valley with an abundance of spring time flowers and such. I've struck > out with three of my purchased maps (($89.00 investment). I would > like to ask you to share your knowledge with me, please. > > > > Jim > > midnight_rider1960 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: RL > > To: midnight_rider1960 > > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 1:07 PM > > Subject: Re: Accurate Texas Mapping > > > > > > on 10/12/02 12:50 AM, midnight_rider1960 at midnight_rider1960@s... > wrote: > > > > > > I moved to Texas a couple years ago. What I found was very > frustrating. It seems that none of the readily available maps are > very accurate. Hardly any of the roads are where they should be, > according to a map and compass, sorry Boy Scouts. I can't afford a > GPS and software. I am hoping you might be able to tell me where to > get accurate maps in Texas. I'm located about 40 miles south east of > Austin. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Jim Sherlock > > > > > > > > There are a number of mapping alternatives. Hopefully, Randy Eads > will reply to your message. He is the Texas backcountry guru, and > lives in Austin now. > > > > RL > > Dallas > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Hey when you Texas guys get your accurate maps, don't forget to remember that Oklahoma owns the Cotton Bowl. Dave
Boomer Sooner, Boomer Sooner
"Judson D. Jones" wrote:Is there a DeLorme for Texas?
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "hens_p" wrote: > Hey, Jim. I thought for sure you were banned. Glad to have your > wide and varying post are still here. > > Have you ever done an internet search for like google.com, etc.> > Anywho: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- > /0940672642/qid=1034555283/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-8001304- 1874536? > v=glance > > The *BEST* map of Texas. Shows every road. > > Pat > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "midnight_rider1960" > wrote: > > Re: Accurate Texas MappingHello, > > > > Is there a Randy Eads in the house? My name is Jim Sherlock and I > live in Cedar Creek approximately 40 miles to your south east. I need > to locate a reasonable source for obtaining accurate maps of central > Texas. So far, Rand McNally, National Geographic, and De Lorme have > failed me miserably, in my humble opinion. I seek to find ways to > really have a direction to go, and your target is where you expect it > to be. My main problem after the inaccurate maps, is there aren't any > points of reference to follow, like I had in California. At least in > California, there was no such thing as getting really lost, for me. > Here in the Texas Hill and prairie country, I find it difficult to > get back to places I really enjoyed riding on. I went on a ride with > two of our listers, each separately, and I can only find my way back > to one of the areas we visited. I had a blast, it was dirt golf rock > road, a couple rocky water crossings, some pretty country, and a nice > valley with an abundance of spring time flowers and such. I've struck > out with three of my purchased maps (($89.00 investment). I would > like to ask you to share your knowledge with me, please. > > > > Jim > > midnight_rider1960 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: RL > > To: midnight_rider1960 > > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 1:07 PM > > Subject: Re: Accurate Texas Mapping > > > > > > on 10/12/02 12:50 AM, midnight_rider1960 at midnight_rider1960@s... > wrote: > > > > > > I moved to Texas a couple years ago. What I found was very > frustrating. It seems that none of the readily available maps are > very accurate. Hardly any of the roads are where they should be, > according to a map and compass, sorry Boy Scouts. I can't afford a > GPS and software. I am hoping you might be able to tell me where to > get accurate maps in Texas. I'm located about 40 miles south east of > Austin. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Jim Sherlock > > > > > > > > There are a number of mapping alternatives. Hopefully, Randy Eads > will reply to your message. He is the Texas backcountry guru, and > lives in Austin now. > > > > RL > > Dallas > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Yes, they do. It cost $29.00 at the Chevron Store in Bastrop. It appears to
be incorrect in several ways. I followed the lines on the map, and those
lines did not deposit me at my intended destination.
Jim
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----- Original Message ----- From: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 12:33 AM Subject: [DSN_klr650] Digest Number 3190 > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 25 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Tubular steel rack for KLR. Help. > From: "Valkyrie Bob" > 2. Re: screens > From: Zachariah Mully > 3. Re: Tubular steel rack for KLR. Help. > From: "dooden" > 4. Re: Tubular steel rack for KLR. Help. > From: "Mark St.Hilaire, Sr" > 5. Re: screens > From: david gay > 6. Re: RE: website trouble ? > From: david gay > 7. Re: Re: Vendor Friday's.... NKLR and long > From: david gay > 8. Ride Pictures !!! > From: imperial-4776@... > 9. Re: First Ride - New KLR > From: BobH619@... > 10. Upgrades to new KLR? > From: Thor Lancelot Simon > 11. Re: NKLR: "ECO-Freaks > From: "midnight_rider1960" > 12. Texas Riders, Caution > From: "midnight_rider1960" > 13. Re: Replacing Chain > From: "midnight_rider1960" > 14. Fw: Accurate Texas Mapping > From: "midnight_rider1960" > 15. Need Advice on Used Potential Purchase. > From: "midnight_rider1960" > 16. Re: Upgrades to new KLR? > From: "dooden" > 17. Re: Fw: Accurate Texas Mapping > From: "hens_p" > 18. Re: Fw: Accurate Texas Mapping > From: "chinlerocks" > 19. KLR 2001 FOR SALE. > From: valter9mm@... > 20. Re: Fw: Accurate Texas Mapping > From: "Judson D. Jones" > 21. NKLR-Re: bike size > From: Sonny Bulla > 22. NKLR: KLR Try at a Ghostly Mystery > From: "midnight_rider1960" > 23. Slighly Sticky Clutch? > From: "Michael" > 24. Re: Top Speed and 1/4 mile times. > From: "Joe" > 25. Re: NKLR: "ECO-Freaks > From: david gay > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:51:15 -0400 > From: "Valkyrie Bob" > Subject: Re: Tubular steel rack for KLR. Help. > > Is this it? > > http://members.shaw.ca/mac_d/page2.html > > If it is, just clip the " page2.html " off the URL to get to the main site. > > Bob > -A (...but looking hard) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Sosa" > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 3:21 PM > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Tubular steel rack for KLR. Help. > > > > Greetings folks. When I first got my 03 KLR 650 bout a month ago, I > > saw a rack on someone's website that was unique and looked very > > fucnctional. Now I can't find it and it's a rack I'd really like to > > have on my bike. I'm going to attempt to describe it to the group, > > hopefully someone can send me in the right direction: > > > > It's made out of tubular steel like the rack here, > > > http://www.dual-star.com/index2/Brand/K ... 20Rack.htm. > > > > However, the rack I saw fits directly above the stock rack and forms > > like a square bowl that appeared to be around 8" deep, and perhaps > > 36" wide. It was simply constructed out of the steel tubing, no cover > > or anything. It seemed very ideal for throwing misc rucksacks in or > > duffle bags and attatching bungies over. It seemed perfect. Now I'm > > hard pressed to find anything about it on the internet. Any help > > would be appreciated. > > > > Frank > > -- > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:20:30 -0400 (EDT) > From: Zachariah Mully > Subject: Re: screens > > > > On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, welshrob1 wrote: > > > every time i see a pic on-line of this bike, it has a screen as part > > of the nose-cone. My 2001 model (Australian) doesn`t have this and > > all the aussie kwaka dealers just say "Duuuh, I don`t know," when I > > ask about it, so, does anyone know.. > > 1. Where I can get one? > > 2. Why my model doesn`t have one as standard? > > > > Sounds like you've got the C-series KLR650. This is the model that is > exported everywhere *but* the US. I think that Canada is the only country > that receives both our beloved A-series as well as the C-series. Does your > bike have a 6.1 gallon tank? Or single piston front caliper? If I am > correct this is your bike, right? > http://www.kawasaki.com.au/mc/offroad/klr650/main.htm > > I don't think that the c-series frame has the fairing mount tab on the > headstock for the A-type fairing. Consider yourself lucky, you've got > better brakes and front suspension than the A-series. > > Z > DC > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:56:34 -0000 > From: "dooden" > Subject: Re: Tubular steel rack for KLR. Help. > > http://www.happy-trail.com/images/Grid% ... R%20SU.jpg > > Maybe them ? > > or > > http://www.happy-trail.com/images/Grid% ... /KLR%20650% > 20Northwest%20Rack%20w%20Ortleib%20QRL%20Bags.jpg > > these ? > > or maybe even > > http://www.happy-trail.com/images/Grid% ... /KLR%20650% > 20Original%20Side%20Rack.jpg > > these ? > > > Sorry got link happy there.. > > Dooden > > Give em a look I reckon.. > > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Frank Sosa wrote: > > Greetings folks. When I first got my 03 KLR 650 bout a month ago, > I > > saw a rack on someone's website that was unique and looked very > > fucnctional. Now I can't find it and it's a rack I'd really like > to > > have on my bike. I'm going to attempt to describe it to the group, > > hopefully someone can send me in the right direction: > > > > It's made out of tubular steel like the rack here, > > http://www.dual-star.com/index2/Brand/K ... 250%20Rear% > 20Rack.htm. > > > > However, the rack I saw fits directly above the stock rack and > forms > > like a square bowl that appeared to be around 8" deep, and perhaps > > 36" wide. It was simply constructed out of the steel tubing, no > cover > > or anything. It seemed very ideal for throwing misc rucksacks in > or > > duffle bags and attatching bungies over. It seemed perfect. Now > I'm > > hard pressed to find anything about it on the internet. Any help > > would be appreciated. > > > > Frank > > -- > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:47:11 -0400 > From: "Mark St.Hilaire, Sr" > Subject: Re: Tubular steel rack for KLR. Help. > > > However, the rack I saw fits directly above the stock rack and forms > > like a square bowl that appeared to be around 8" deep, and perhaps > > 36" wide. It was simply constructed out of the steel tubing, no cover > > or anything. It seemed very ideal for throwing misc rucksacks in or > > Hey Frank, if you get an off-list reply, maybe you could post that > information to the list? That DOES sound very useful! > > Mark > > > Glitter is coined to meet the moment's rage; > Genuine lives on from age to age. > - Goethe's "Faust" > > > KLR650 Motorcycle Pages: > http://klr6500.tripod.com/ > > HomePage: > http://home.adelphia.net/~msaint/index.html > > My Adelphia Email can be "iffy." If > you don't get a response, please try: > KLR6500@... > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 13:34:16 -0700 (PDT) > From: david gay > Subject: Re: screens > > > Maybe their afraid the 'roos will eat them off your bikes. Dave > There are several aftermarket companies that make replacement and taller sheilds here in the states. Does your fairing have a place to mount one, or is made different then the ones here? > > > welshrob1 wrote:every time i see a pic on-line of this bike, it has a screen as part > of the nose-cone. My 2001 model (Australian) doesn`t have this and > all the aussie kwaka dealers just say "Duuuh, I don`t know," when I > ask about it, so, does anyone know.. > 1. Where I can get one? > 2. Why my model doesn`t have one as standard? > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more > faith.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 13:37:46 -0700 (PDT) > From: david gay > Subject: Re: RE: website trouble ? > > > Trouble was you should have ordered from Sagebrush. Dave > > Devon Jarvis wrote:Was that a "recommendation" or an "advertisement", considering that was the first time I've seen that email address on the list. > > Devon > > cordmcsteve@... wrote: > > > I went to the site yu recommended and decided to order the balancer lever > > that Zen offered. However there is aparent rouble with the website because I > > can't get the site finish the order........you add the item to the cart and > > that's all ya can do. Ya can't "check out" ! What gives..? > > steve > > > > Message: 19 > > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:40:45 -0000 > > From: "wannabsmooth1" > > Subject: doohickey > > > > There is now another source for the famous eccentic adjustment plate - > > doohickey - made of a different material (IMHO better), that comes > > with a MUCH better spring than has been available before. check out > > http://www.fayettemotorcycles.com/fayette-motorcycles/ go to Zen > > motorcycle products. > > > > happy Friday! > > > > Mike > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more > faith.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 13:27:37 -0700 (PDT) > From: david gay > Subject: Re: Re: Vendor Friday's.... NKLR and long > > > Jim, > Your right about manufactors selling bikes, but I was watching a show on the history of Hardly-Ableson, and they stated Hardy survived the depression mainly because of its accessorie sales. > > Jim wrote:--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "dooden" wrote: > > > > Aftermarket sales are where the profits are to the industry, not > > sales of the bikes. > > True. Go to any BMW Boutique and you'll see what Dooden is talking > about. Why can't BMW maintain marketshare/compete against KTM? > > I was in Anchorage the other day and stopped by the KTM/BMW/Kawasaki > dealership. He sells more KLR's (650)than any other model. It was > interesting to see A KLR next to a F650 Dakar next to an LC4. This > particular shop sells bikes. Not an accessory to be seen anywhere. > Maybe he's missing the boat - I doubt it. He knows that he can order > anything and have it in a few days. > > The money is in accessories; but manufacturers make bikes, most > accessories are farmed out to other suppliers. This is part of why > factory accessories seem to be priced so high - everyone > gets "margin". > > The bottom line is that bike manufacturers are in the business of > selling bikes. If they're not successful they don't exist. > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more > faith.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:40:39 -0700 (PDT) > From: imperial-4776@... > Subject: Ride Pictures !!! > > Hi Everyone, > > A few of us took off this weekend, and went for a camp and ride up to > Olallie Lake, which is in Oregon. > > Found some great riding areas, which were smoothered in scenic delights. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Oregon_DS ... rm0012.jpg > > The Lake is at an elevation of approx 5000ft, so the night time lows > were chilly to say the least hence the reason we booked a cabin for the > evening. > > To see some more photos of the lake and surrounding area please visit > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Oregon_DSR/files/Olallie/ > > Dave > Salem OR > PS ... It was good seeing you folks again, Coach, thanks for breakfast >... Steve, hope you made it home safe and sound, heal quickly buddy. > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 02:06:35 EDT > From: BobH619@... > Subject: Re: First Ride - New KLR > > You got a great motorcycle there Scott. Enjoy it! > Bob > El Cajon > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 14:24:46 -0400 > From: Thor Lancelot Simon > Subject: Upgrades to new KLR? > > I'm going to pick up a 2002 KLR650 at a local dealership on Tuesday. I > rode dirt bikes as a kid, and "motos" (picture a tiny motorcycle/scooter > hybrid with a foot shift but no clutch) in south asia while travelling, > but this will be the first "real" bike I've owned. I expect to use the > bike for commuting in NYC and a bit of weekend touring. > > Everything I read about the KLR seems to emphasize a few > high-bang-for-the-buck upgrades. In particular, progressive fork springs, > a braided line for the front brake, and a fork brace. One of the FAQs > seems to strongly recommend upgrading the rear shock for riders over 150 > lbs (I weigh about 200) but, well... that's expensive. > > I paid a bit less than I expected for the bike, so I do have a few bucks > left over. I'm tempted to do at least the fork brace (cheap, looks very, > very easy to do) and maybe the fork springs right away. Is it worth doing > any/all of fork springs/fork brace/brake line right away, or would it be > wiser to ride the bike "stock" for a while and do the work later? I would > think so, but _everyone_ seems to think the fork springs and brake line are > worthwhile upgrades, which leaves me wondering a bit "why not just do it > now"? > > -- > Thor Lancelot Simon tls@... > But as he knew no bad language, he had called him all the names of common > objects that he could think of, and had screamed: "You lamp! You towel! You > plate!" and so on. --Sigmund Freud > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:26:38 -0500 > From: "midnight_rider1960" > Subject: Re: NKLR: "ECO-Freaks > > > Besides don't we exhale the green house gas carbon dioxide. > Why don't they just go commit suicide and relieve mother freaking > nature of the burden. > Funny thing is, science has proven that volcanoes and other natural earth > functions have caused more pollution and damaged the ozone layer much > greater than man could accomplish in thousands of years. > > Just like Glamis Dunes. The friggin liberals got a huge chunk of SoCal dune > recreation areas shut down because of a milkweed. A report, that was leaked, > showed that the milkweed actually flourished better with the recreation > going on. Why? Because of seed spread. > > Anyone ever actually seen a desert tortoise on a trail? No one I know ever > has. Yet, I do know that the Sierra Club took millions of dollars from a > mining company to supposedly relocate the displaced animals. Bull. They put > them in poorly structured enclosures, took very poor care of them, and > eventually approximately half of them died and the Department of Parks and > Wildlife had to step in. The Sierra Club got slammed in the California > papers for about a week, then it was over. The "Club" paid the hush hush > money to the powers that be, and they got away with it. > > Several years ago, I believe it was two Barstow to Vegas dual sport riders > were severely hurt by a booby trap. Apparently, the trail used to go through > an old mining or train tunnel. Well, just about 25 feet inside the entrance > was a bunch of spiked railroad ties arranged in such a fashion/pattern that > it would be impossible to not hit at least one. The riders never saw what > hit them until later. The reason this trap was so successful is because our > eyes cannot adjust to that major light change quickly enough. One minute > your moving along, the next you got a spike in your thigh, another one in > your hand, your bikes fuel tank was punctured, you have no idea how long or > how far help is. These are just some of the reasons I hate, absolutely hate, > tree hugging, toad kissing, milkweed eating, tortoise loving eco-freaks. > > midnight_rider > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:31:28 -0500 > From: "midnight_rider1960" > Subject: Texas Riders, Caution > > Some of you Texans probably already know this, but be careful riding the back roads and highways at night. I almost had an unhappy encounter with a darn turtle at 60 mph. Then I did some more riding around, being much more cautious and found them suckers all over the place. It is probably the heat in the tarmac that attracts them. With all the curves and ellipses on a turtles shell, I'm not sure anyone could stay upright after having the front end hit that armored surface. So if you like riding through the misty central Texas night, beware the TURTLE. > > midnight_rider > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:24:41 -0500 > From: "midnight_rider1960" > Subject: Re: Replacing Chain > > Unless you remove the swingarm, you will not be able to remove a continuous > chain. You basically have two choices. Remove swingarm, do some cleaning and > lubing, peek in here and there, and remove the chain. Or, you can grind down > two rivet heads and drive the pins through with a drift punch. > > Some folks don't like them, but I use chains with a master link and clip. > Have been doing so on over 20 bikes for over 25 years. Never had a problem > with master link chains. Knocking on wood as I type. Besides, it is always a > good idea to do other maintenance when you replace your chain. Have fun. > > midnight_rider > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:39:16 -0500 > From: "midnight_rider1960" > Subject: Fw: Accurate Texas Mapping > > Re: Accurate Texas MappingHello, > > Is there a Randy Eads in the house? My name is Jim Sherlock and I live in Cedar Creek approximately 40 miles to your south east. I need to locate a reasonable source for obtaining accurate maps of central Texas. So far, Rand McNally, National Geographic, and De Lorme have failed me miserably, in my humble opinion. I seek to find ways to really have a direction to go, and your target is where you expect it to be. My main problem after the inaccurate maps, is there aren't any points of reference to follow, like I had in California. At least in California, there was no such thing as getting really lost, for me. Here in the Texas Hill and prairie country, I find it difficult to get back to places I really enjoyed riding on. I went on a ride with two of our listers, each separately, and I can only find my way back to one of the areas we visited. I had a blast, it was dirt golf rock road, a couple rocky water crossings, some pretty country, and a nice valley with an abundance of spring time flowers and such. I've struck out with three of my purchased maps (($89.00 investment). I would like to ask you to share your knowledge with me, please. > > Jim > midnight_rider1960 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: RL > To: midnight_rider1960 > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 1:07 PM > Subject: Re: Accurate Texas Mapping > > > on 10/12/02 12:50 AM, midnight_rider1960 at midnight_rider1960@... wrote: > > > I moved to Texas a couple years ago. What I found was very frustrating. It seems that none of the readily available maps are very accurate. Hardly any of the roads are where they should be, according to a map and compass, sorry Boy Scouts. I can't afford a GPS and software. I am hoping you might be able to tell me where to get accurate maps in Texas. I'm located about 40 miles south east of Austin. > > Sincerely, > > Jim Sherlock > > > > There are a number of mapping alternatives. Hopefully, Randy Eads will reply to your message. He is the Texas backcountry guru, and lives in Austin now. > > RL > Dallas > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:14:55 -0500 > From: "midnight_rider1960" > Subject: Need Advice on Used Potential Purchase. > > BlankI would like to ask some of the old school listers, the ones with vast knowledge of KLR-dom. You see, I am considering picking up a used 1996 KLR 650 that is in fair, to middlin, condition. It is just down the street from me. It really doesn't look too bad. It's been ridden, but does not appear to be abused. I kinda sorta know the mechanic that wrenched on it, because his home is his bike shop. He fixes, and sells. One man operation and he is licensed to do safety inspections for cages and bikes. > > Anyway, my wife would like a KLR 650. She is 5' 6" in gear. The inseam is 32. The bike has the dished Corbin on it. I could purchase, what, 1.75" lowering links? Adjust the forks to match the normal set up, just lower. Then, after she's ridden it for a while, I've agreed to get her a Day-Long saddle. You husbands out there, what to you think? I live in the country. My wife has ridden an FT 500, ATC's, Quads, and small dirt bikes. So she has the skill. Will need to be re-awakened with some drive way riding, it's about a half mile to my house from the street. Is the KLR the right bike? She likes it, she likes mine but she can't handle the saddle height of my bike. I'm not sure? Lady riders? Comments, opinions. I welcome all, off list > > Jim > midnight_rider1960 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 16 > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 00:21:27 -0000 > From: "dooden" > Subject: Re: Upgrades to new KLR? > > Well to be honest, I think the brakes are ok as stock, springs are > fine for roads, if you are going to load the bike down with gear and > ride it rough, sure maybe the springs are worth it. > > Set your preload on the rear shock to maybe 3 or 4 if its just you on > the bike, and see how that goes, before dumping cash on something. > > Maybe try changing the fork oil and see how that goes, total cost > maybe $9 a quart ? Then if you choose at that time drop in new > Progressive rate springs. > > Lots of people buy and ride bikes and never change much of anything > on them. Unless you have a bottomless wallet, then of course might > as well start and change everything you can find to order for it.
> > Can always change things as you see the need at that time. > > But again im a cheapass right David ?
> > Dooden > > Oh the front brake is weak, when your rear brake lever is bouncing > around from the spring, and your used to using the rear brake when > headed into corners..
> > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: > > I'm going to pick up a 2002 KLR650 at a local dealership on > Tuesday. I > > rode dirt bikes as a kid, and "motos" (picture a tiny > motorcycle/scooter > > hybrid with a foot shift but no clutch) in south asia while > travelling, > > but this will be the first "real" bike I've owned. I expect to use > the > > bike for commuting in NYC and a bit of weekend touring. > > > > Everything I read about the KLR seems to emphasize a few > > high-bang-for-the-buck upgrades. In particular, progressive fork > springs, > > a braided line for the front brake, and a fork brace. One of the > FAQs > > seems to strongly recommend upgrading the rear shock for riders > over 150 > > lbs (I weigh about 200) but, well... that's expensive. > > > > I paid a bit less than I expected for the bike, so I do have a few > bucks > > left over. I'm tempted to do at least the fork brace (cheap, looks > very, > > very easy to do) and maybe the fork springs right away. Is it > worth doing > > any/all of fork springs/fork brace/brake line right away, or would > it be > > wiser to ride the bike "stock" for a while and do the work later? > I would > > think so, but _everyone_ seems to think the fork springs and brake > line are > > worthwhile upgrades, which leaves me wondering a bit "why not just > do it > > now"? > > > > -- > > Thor Lancelot Simon tls@r... > > But as he knew no bad language, he had called him all the names > of common > > objects that he could think of, and had screamed: "You lamp! You > towel! You > > plate!" and so on. --Sigmund Freud > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 17 > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 00:31:13 -0000 > From: "hens_p" > Subject: Re: Fw: Accurate Texas Mapping > > Hey, Jim. I thought for sure you were banned. Glad to have your > wide and varying post are still here. > > Have you ever done an internet search for like google.com, etc.
> > Anywho: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- > /0940672642/qid=1034555283/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-8001304-1874536? > v=glance > > The *BEST* map of Texas. Shows every road. > > Pat > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "midnight_rider1960" > wrote: > > Re: Accurate Texas MappingHello, > > > > Is there a Randy Eads in the house? My name is Jim Sherlock and I > live in Cedar Creek approximately 40 miles to your south east. I need > to locate a reasonable source for obtaining accurate maps of central > Texas. So far, Rand McNally, National Geographic, and De Lorme have > failed me miserably, in my humble opinion. I seek to find ways to > really have a direction to go, and your target is where you expect it > to be. My main problem after the inaccurate maps, is there aren't any > points of reference to follow, like I had in California. At least in > California, there was no such thing as getting really lost, for me. > Here in the Texas Hill and prairie country, I find it difficult to > get back to places I really enjoyed riding on. I went on a ride with > two of our listers, each separately, and I can only find my way back > to one of the areas we visited. I had a blast, it was dirt golf rock > road, a couple rocky water crossings, some pretty country, and a nice > valley with an abundance of spring time flowers and such. I've struck > out with three of my purchased maps (($89.00 investment). I would > like to ask you to share your knowledge with me, please. > > > > Jim > > midnight_rider1960 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: RL > > To: midnight_rider1960 > > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 1:07 PM > > Subject: Re: Accurate Texas Mapping > > > > > > on 10/12/02 12:50 AM, midnight_rider1960 at midnight_rider1960@s... > wrote: > > > > > > I moved to Texas a couple years ago. What I found was very > frustrating. It seems that none of the readily available maps are > very accurate. Hardly any of the roads are where they should be, > according to a map and compass, sorry Boy Scouts. I can't afford a > GPS and software. I am hoping you might be able to tell me where to > get accurate maps in Texas. I'm located about 40 miles south east of > Austin. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Jim Sherlock > > > > > > > > There are a number of mapping alternatives. Hopefully, Randy Eads > will reply to your message. He is the Texas backcountry guru, and > lives in Austin now. > > > > RL > > Dallas > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 18 > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 00:37:17 -0000 > From: "chinlerocks" > Subject: Re: Fw: Accurate Texas Mapping > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "midnight_rider1960" > wrote: > > Re: Accurate Texas MappingHello, > > > > Is there a Randy Eads in the house? My name is Jim Sherlock and I > live in Cedar Creek approximately 40 miles to your south east. I need > to locate a reasonable source for obtaining accurate maps of central > Texas. > > All you central Texas riders, > > These maps you can get at area bookstores... > > "Texas Atlas and Gazeteer" by DeLorme. This ia a big coffee table > size map book with the entire state and street maps of most all > cities, but the back roads such as county roads and small subdivision > roads are tiny and unlabeled. But the city maps and farm-to market > roads are very helpful for detouring rush-hour traffic jams. 166 > pages.$15. The year 1995 on my copy. > > A better choice is "The Roads of Texas" by Shearer Publishing. It > came out in 1988 and it has ALL the county roads shown plus all the > other roads. The latest editions has county road numbers shown for > most counties. This is also a big coffee table size map book. It > shows the best small details for the whole state right down to the > cattle guards on county roads. My 1995 revised edition has 176 pages. > list price was $15. Down side is the city streets are not labeled. > > Best choice for the Austin area is to go to Sam's Club megawarehouse > and they have a big stock of a spiral bound "Mighty Map" for these 4 > counties...Hays,Bastrop,Blanco, and Calwell. These maps get down to > even rural driveways and the book is not too big for your saddle bag > or daypack. Seems like it was less than $20. I don't have it with me > so I don't know the publisher. But I do know that Sam's has them now. > These came out in 2002. > > I hope this helps, > > Billy Brooks in Dripping Springs,TX > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 19 > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:13:57 -0400 > From: valter9mm@... > Subject: KLR 2001 FOR SALE. > > Dear group, > Im gettin myself Caponord and therefore my A-15 KLR has to go.....Its not easy to let such a fun bike go, but I am planning some major touring with my wife and this summer while in Europe I fell in love with Aprilia CAPONORD !!!! > Anyway here are the facts :(First Owner) > Bike is in excellent condition,has new corbin(no dip)+ orig.seat, trunk travel case, 15 & 16-t sprocket, never been ridden in dirt,It has avon gripsters-almost new..3,600. o.b.o > Im in Hillsdale New Jersey (Bergen County)201-664-9516 or e-mail: valter9mm@....................thanks Dan. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 20 > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 02:24:05 -0000 > From: "Judson D. Jones" > Subject: Re: Fw: Accurate Texas Mapping > > Is there a DeLorme for Texas? > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "hens_p" wrote: > > Hey, Jim. I thought for sure you were banned. Glad to have > your > > wide and varying post are still here. > > > > Have you ever done an internet search for like google.com, etc. >
> > > > Anywho: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- > > > /0940672642/qid=1034555283/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-8001304- > 1874536? > > v=glance > > > > The *BEST* map of Texas. Shows every road. > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "midnight_rider1960" > > wrote: > > > Re: Accurate Texas MappingHello, > > > > > > Is there a Randy Eads in the house? My name is Jim > Sherlock and I > > live in Cedar Creek approximately 40 miles to your south east. I > need > > to locate a reasonable source for obtaining accurate maps of > central > > Texas. So far, Rand McNally, National Geographic, and De > Lorme have > > failed me miserably, in my humble opinion. I seek to find ways > to > > really have a direction to go, and your target is where you > expect it > > to be. My main problem after the inaccurate maps, is there > aren't any > > points of reference to follow, like I had in California. At least in > > California, there was no such thing as getting really lost, for > me. > > Here in the Texas Hill and prairie country, I find it difficult to > > get back to places I really enjoyed riding on. I went on a ride > with > > two of our listers, each separately, and I can only find my way > back > > to one of the areas we visited. I had a blast, it was dirt golf rock > > road, a couple rocky water crossings, some pretty country, and > a nice > > valley with an abundance of spring time flowers and such. I've > struck > > out with three of my purchased maps (($89.00 investment). I > would > > like to ask you to share your knowledge with me, please. > > > > > > Jim > > > midnight_rider1960 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: RL > > > To: midnight_rider1960 > > > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 1:07 PM > > > Subject: Re: Accurate Texas Mapping > > > > > > > > > on 10/12/02 12:50 AM, midnight_rider1960 at > midnight_rider1960@s... > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I moved to Texas a couple years ago. What I found was very > > frustrating. It seems that none of the readily available maps are > > very accurate. Hardly any of the roads are where they should > be, > > according to a map and compass, sorry Boy Scouts. I can't > afford a > > GPS and software. I am hoping you might be able to tell me > where to > > get accurate maps in Texas. I'm located about 40 miles south > east of > > Austin. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Jim Sherlock > > > > > > > > > > > > There are a number of mapping alternatives. Hopefully, > Randy Eads > > will reply to your message. He is the Texas backcountry guru, > and > > lives in Austin now. > > > > > > RL > > > Dallas > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 21 > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:33:58 -0500 > From: Sonny Bulla > Subject: NKLR-Re: bike size > > "S. B. Lawrence" writes: > >don't feel bad if you drop it. Many long-time riders have > > Wanna hear a good one? > > When I picked up my brand new '02 from the dealer, I had to take my truck > to bring it home. Loaded it up, got home, and backed up to the garage, > which is elevated about a foot and a half but I still needed a ramp as my > truck bed was higher. My ramp consists of an 8' 2X12 with two separate 2X6 > "foot boards". In my haste to get it unloaded, I decided not to incorporate > the use of the foot boards since the angle of the ramp wasn't that extreme > and I figured I could just sit on it and roll it off backward with enough > momentum to get to the garage floor before getting out of shape. > WRONG!...about half way into the garage I lost said momentum and proceeded > to crash to the floor on the right side, a little more than 90 degrees down > since I was still on the ramp and had no place to catch with my feet. Only > damage was a slightly bent mirror and elevated blood pressure. > > Any of you old timers remember Artie Johnson's tricycle gag on "Laugh In"?
> > Sonny > '02 KLR650 > http://home.earthlink.net/~sbulla > http://www.louisemandrell.com > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 22 > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:46:46 -0500 > From: "midnight_rider1960" > Subject: NKLR: KLR Try at a Ghostly Mystery > > BlankHalloween is almost upon us. This year I was thinking about trying something creepy with my KLR. > > I'm sure most people have heard the story, or saw the show, regarding the bus load of children that were killed outside of San Antonio when the bus stalled and the train plowed right through it. > > Allegedly people have taken their cars their and had them pushed mysteriously across the tracks to safety. Others have gone as far as using baby or talcum powder on the backs of their vehicles and bunches of little hand prints would show up on the vehicle after it had been pushed across by an unseen force. > > I am considering taking my KLR down there and see what happens. Wouldn't it be awesome if some ghost children pushed my bike across the tracks. It just sounds so awesome to me to possible experience something from another plane of existence. > > Devil's Backbone is supposed to be in the Hill Country outside Austin. Yet, I can never find it. Oh, I have found the general area, but it is just like anywhere else in Texas. Some homes, some mobiles, small shops, lots of rusted metal, etc. Yet, even after quizzing several locals I could not locate the actual road/trail that is supposed to travel the length of the back bone at the top. I'm hoping to find that one as well. Some spooky stuff has been recorded as happening out there all the way back to when Texas was still Mexico. > > Anyone with any info is welcome to e-mail me and share your knowledge. > > Boo > Jim > midnight_rider1960 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 23 > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 04:17:58 -0000 > From: "Michael" > Subject: Slighly Sticky Clutch? > > I just bought a great condition 96'. I have a question about the > clutch. It seems a little sticky. I have removed the cluch cable > and tried to spray lube down the cabe to loosen things up. After > trying that I actually think that it is something else, and forgive the > non-mechanical description. > > The metal pivot joint that the cable connects to on the right side > of the bike....with me so far....that joint seems to be where the > stickyness is from. I can hear a crunchy sound coming from that > joint as I squeeze and release the clutch. Is there a way to help > to free up this joint? > > Does this make any sense? > > Michael > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 24 > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 05:16:42 -0000 > From: "Joe" > Subject: Re: Top Speed and 1/4 mile times. > > I just ran my A15 at Heartland Park, Topeka, KS, last Thursday > evening during their "test and tune" event, and the following are my > times: > > 1st Run: E/T - 15.092 = 82.3 mph > 2nd Run: E/T - 15.122 = 81.2 mph > 3rd Run: E/T - 15.031 = 81.7 mph > > Got a lot of "are you sh*ttin me" looks, and had a blast!!! > > Joe Blanchard > Kansas > > "Gotta break that 15 second barrier".... > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "ntrl12us" wrote: > > Anyone out there know the top speed and what the KLR will do in > the > > quarter mile. I'm just curious and how does it compare to the DR > > 650.Thanks. Nev. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 25 > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:33:40 -0700 (PDT) > From: david gay > Subject: Re: NKLR: "ECO-Freaks > > > You go dude, eco's can suck my left nut. Been hearing this worlds coming to an end because of pollution sh*t since the '60's. I've grown up and have rode dirtbikes in what is now Oklahoma's worst polluted site. The old lead and zinc mines of NE OK. Tar creek area. Haven't seen any treeassbandits trying to clean-up crap around here, just one Bullsh*t study after another saying how bad it is. Now this totally worthless land has been given back to the Native Americans, and all fenced off. Can't even go shoot guns on it anymore, and that was just putting the lead back where it came from. I know it's an Eco freaks nightmare, but it was a great riding area. People used to come from Kansas City and even farther to camp the weekend and dirtbike or ride Dune Buggies. Brought in a lot of money to the local towns. Now their great idea is to move people out and turn the whole place into a "wetland", which when I was growing was called a fu*king "swamp" . Tar creek is polluted by the minerals rising out of the old mines, so how's is flooding the area going to improve that? > > > > (Sorry the above rambling were obviously cause by severe Lead Posioning) evad > > > > > > midnight_rider1960 wrote:> Besides don't we exhale the green house gas carbon dioxide. > Why don't they just go commit suicide and relieve mother freaking > nature of the burden. > Funny thing is, science has proven that volcanoes and other natural earth > functions have caused more pollution and damaged the ozone layer much > greater than man could accomplish in thousands of years. > > Just like Glamis Dunes. The friggin liberals got a huge chunk of SoCal dune > recreation areas shut down because of a milkweed. A report, that was leaked, > showed that the milkweed actually flourished better with the recreation > going on. Why? Because of seed spread. > > Anyone ever actually seen a desert tortoise on a trail? No one I know ever > has. Yet, I do know that the Sierra Club took millions of dollars from a > mining company to supposedly relocate the displaced animals. Bull. They put > them in poorly structured enclosures, took very poor care of them, and > eventually approximately half of them died and the Department of Parks and > Wildlife had to step in. The Sierra Club got slammed in the California > papers for about a week, then it was over. The "Club" paid the hush hush > money to the powers that be, and they got away with it. > > Several years ago, I believe it was two Barstow to Vegas dual sport riders > were severely hurt by a booby trap. Apparently, the trail used to go through > an old mining or train tunnel. Well, just about 25 feet inside the entrance > was a bunch of spiked railroad ties arranged in such a fashion/pattern that > it would be impossible to not hit at least one. The riders never saw what > hit them until later. The reason this trap was so successful is because our > eyes cannot adjust to that major light change quickly enough. One minute > your moving along, the next you got a spike in your thigh, another one in > your hand, your bikes fuel tank was punctured, you have no idea how long or > how far help is. These are just some of the reasons I hate, absolutely hate, > tree hugging, toad kissing, milkweed eating, tortoise loving eco-freaks. > > midnight_rider > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. 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