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[mnron2002]

Jerry, you are right!! I didn't mean to bash the Harleys. I know several folks who ride them, and ride them a bunch. My point was there are so many pousers (sp?) out there that buy them and don't ride them. I love ALL bikes, and I enjoy all riders.... just no time for wannabes, I guess. I meant no harm. I even have a brother who had a Harley for the "mystic". Sold it when he decided he wanted a new truck, to look cool. Point: If you got 'em, ride 'em. My humblest apologies, and I hope we can meet up sometime and ride. The beer after the ride is on me... MNRon

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., wrote: > I have really enjoyed this list, learned alot about my > KLR, and even had a few laugh's. But I think that > bike bashing is un called for. I ride a KLR and love > it, but I also have a HARLEY 1200 Sportster that I > love to get out and open up, I am a true enthusiast. > Live to ride my motorcycles, not just my HARLEY or my > KLR. I find it pretty small of people to bash a brand > just because of someones else views on it. Enough of > my soap box > Jerry in Idaho > 99 HARLEY XL1200C > 01 KLR 650 > 84 VFR1100 > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards > http://movies.yahoo.com/

[jerryd_83263@yahoo.com]

Thanks a bunch, I agree in the fullest, I ride as much as my schedule will allow, Those of us in the colder regions of the country have to get it all done in the summer and long for it all winter. When the weather permits I ride everyday. Thanks for the explaination, and the beer sounds good. Jerry PS, For what its worth, I consider myself a motorcyclist also. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards http://movies.yahoo.com/

[ATO137528@aol.com]

BUT...Have you ever seen a poser on a KLR? I doubt it. The KLR is a bike that people buy to RIDE. Off-road (MXer and enduro) bikes are similar. A few Generation Xer wanna-be's (guys over 30 who wear their caps backwards) get sportbikes, drop a coupla' grand into performance goodies, and show off for the babes for a few weeks before they decide to drop cash on something else to impress. I see lots of these guys (sans helments, of course, to make sure the babes can see who they are) in the French Quarter in New Orleans on warm weekends. The cruiser posers by far outnumber these guys AND the actual riders who have Harleys. I have a cousin who has ridden all his life (as have I) who has TWO Harleys. He rides one or the other almost every day. Hell, I'VE even ridden one. Another cousin fits the poser model cuz he bought one after the Harley cousin took the wife for a spin and she came back with lust in her eyes. LOL Of course he had to buy one to be cool too. Dumb ass. (I feel sorry for him to have to have a $15,000 Sportster parked in the garage to get his wife to put out. LOL) I was in the local Kawasaki/KTM/Indian dealership recently. In the used bike section were six Harleys ranging from a '97 883 Sportster to an '01 DynaGlide. The highest milage any had was 5000 and some change! The '97 had 1800! It hadn't been ridden enough in 5 years to need an oil change. On the way out, a guy in $1000 worth of Harley leather was trying to sell the dealer owner a new looking Ultra Glide. (I bet he keeps the leathers, though. LOL!!!) My point? Don't be offended if you get caught up in a stereotype. Your poser fellow Harley owners are as much to blame...as is Harley itself for embracing these people for the $$$. I recently saw a bumper sticker on an SUV (sic) that said "Having $15,000 doesn't make you a biker." Being from the south, I know a lot about being caught in a stereotype. Lamar A14 not on Kendas any more [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[jerryd_83263@yahoo.com]

--- ATO137528@... wrote: I totally agree that alot of people buy Harleys for to pose. I have seen many a bike with very little miles on them. I personally bought my bike because it fits me, and I bought the 1200 sportster because I could do enough to it to make it my own and have enough power to somewhat satisfy my need for power. My sportster was purchased new in august of 99 and it has over 17000 miles since, and thats with a new klr that I couldnt get off last summer. I think in whatever form or brand you just cant beat the feeling on two wheel's. Thanks again for the explaination. Jerry in Idaho A15 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards http://movies.yahoo.com/

[Miata Myk]

> I was in the local Kawasaki/KTM/Indian dealership recently. In the used

bike

> section were six Harleys ranging from a '97 883 Sportster to an '01 > DynaGlide. The highest milage any had was 5000 and some change! The '97

had

> 1800! It hadn't been ridden enough in 5 years to need an oil change. On

the

> way out, a guy in $1000 worth of Harley leather was trying to sell the

dealer

> owner a new looking Ultra Glide. (I bet he keeps the leathers, though. > LOL!!!) > > My point? Don't be offended if you get caught up in a stereotype. Your > poser fellow Harley owners are as much to blame...as is Harley itself for > embracing these people for the $$$. I recently saw a bumper sticker on an > SUV (sic) that said "Having $15,000 doesn't make you a biker." Being from > the south, I know a lot about being caught in a stereotype.

By the same token, proof of Harley ownership ought to be required to buy one of those dorky Harley Edition Ford Hickup Trucks.

[Devon Jarvis]

Mostly, Harley can be blamed for being a runaway success. They sell those bikes faster then they can make them. Buy a Harley for MSRP? Not in the last 15 years. They have done a brilliant job from a shareholder's standpoint. They're in the business of selling bikes, and they do it well. The Harley marketing dept has helped the whole poser culture along without being obvious about it. They have people who don't know anything about bikes absolutely convinced that anything but a Genuine H-D is second rate. It's not just Harley- look at the Yamaha ads for the Road Star line, all those meatheads in black bandannas standing around looking tough. That "biker" image is used by everyone trying to sell a cruiser. Hopefully people on dirtbikes or dual-sports will be associated with fresh-faced youngsters enjoying an honest sport. Ha! Devon Miata Myk wrote:

> > My point? Don't be offended if you get caught up in a stereotype. Your > > poser fellow Harley owners are as much to blame...as is Harley itself for > > embracing these people for the $$$. I recently saw a bumper sticker on an > > SUV (sic) that said "Having $15,000 doesn't make you a biker." Being from > > the south, I know a lot about being caught in a stereotype. > > By the same token, proof of Harley ownership ought to be required to buy one > of those dorky Harley Edition Ford Hickup Trucks. >

[Krgrife@aol.com]

In a message dated 3/28/02 11:52:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, jarvisd@... writes: << Hopefully people on dirtbikes or dual-sports will be associated with fresh-faced youngsters enjoying an honest sport. Ha! >> Fresh-faced youngsters!!! I suspect the average age on this list is in the 40's and there are a lot of us way beyond that. Kurt Grife

[Devon Jarvis]

Another argument for full-face helmets! I was passed several times in the enduro on Sunday by a female rider on a KDX200 (she would pass me while I was picking up my bike, then I'd pass her, then I'd hit a tree again and she'd come putting by, etc..), and it was only when we gave her a lift back to the start (out of gas, a problem, I didn't have) did I realize she was a grandmother. She had pushed her bike the last two miles through the woods. Devon A15 Krgrife@... wrote:

> > In a message dated 3/28/02 11:52:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, > jarvisd@... writes: > > fresh-faced youngsters enjoying an honest sport. Ha! >> > > Fresh-faced youngsters!!! I suspect the average age on this list is in the > 40's and there are a lot of us way beyond that. > Kurt Grife >

[Peter Berghs]

> BUT...Have you ever seen a poser on a KLR? I doubt it. The KLR is a bike > that people buy to RIDE. Off-road (MXer and enduro) bikes are similar.

Posers come in all styles, even off-road. When I was younger I saw a lot of rich kids roaring around town in new pick-ups with pristine dirt-bikes in the back. About the only time the bikes were un-loaded was in the winter....to make room for the ski-doo with no scratches on the skis. For me its not about the bike, it's about riding....any bike....any time. Cruisers, dirt, street, touring, what-ever. PB

[Russell Scott]

You want to hear about a poser. Last weekend I went out to Ocotillo Wells for some XR frollicking. This guy pulls up in his truck pulling a trailer with a Dakar style rally car and a brand new YZ426 on it. Rolls the car off. Starts it up, drives down the road, up through a sand wash, and back to the trailer. Changes into full moto-x regala, starts the YZ426, putts around the area for 10 minutes. Don't think he ever got out of second. Puts them both back on the trailer, and inside an hour or so has come and gone. But the 3 hour parade back and forth from his home is probably what made his day. Russell -----Original Message----- From: Peter Berghs [SMTP:pberghs@...] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 8:31 PM To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR: Harley Rules (You're right!)

> BUT...Have you ever seen a poser on a KLR? I doubt it. The KLR is a

bike

> that people buy to RIDE. Off-road (MXer and enduro) bikes are similar.

Posers come in all styles, even off-road. When I was younger I saw a lot of rich kids roaring around town in new pick-ups with pristine dirt-bikes in the back. About the only time the bikes were un-loaded was in the winter....to make room for the ski-doo with no scratches on the skis. For me its not about the bike, it's about riding....any bike....any time. Cruisers, dirt, street, touring, what-ever. PB Checkout Dual Sport News at http://www.dualsportnews.com Be part of the Adventure! Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/