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adamavis
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Post by adamavis » Fri Feb 15, 2002 1:03 pm

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "gpokluda" wrote:
> --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "dale_johnson13" wrote: > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "adamavis" wrote: > > > I'm surprised that nobody has developed a cheap fork brace? The > > Dual > > > Star one is nice, but after you convert it to $CDN, it's almost > the > > > same as a KLX / KX front end conversion. > > I for one am glad that Happy Trails, Super Brace, Dual Star and > others have made and/or market the braces, invested the time in > research into making sure they work right, invested the time and > money into being able to produce brace after brace within spec, > invested the time and money into making them flexible enough to > prevent fork binding, but strong enough do some good. I have no > problem paying the asking prices because I know I get a quality > product, I support someone who is supporting our sport, and I like > added performance it gives the KLR. > > So if you think you can build a better mouse trap, put your money > where your mouth is and make it. > > Gino... asking what's the difference between a puppy and a
cheapskate?
> Puppies quit whining when they grow up.
That's not what I meant Gino. I totally agree with you, I'm sure these guys aren't draging barrels of money behind them, and I'm sure like all products in the world, the markup from cost is normal. They' re in the business for the love of the sport. I am well aware of that. Also,I love dual star, and I buy from them all the time. They have super products and my hat goes off to them, but I don't think 100% of what they sell is gold and I won't buy ALL of their products because they invested so much time and effort into it, I weight the benifis with the price. I'm just saying, I'm sure the K9 fork brace does exactly what it's supposed to do, maybe even better than advertised! But the KLR's front end is still plagued with soft forks and crappy brakes right?? So you have to invest more money to get them to the same level as some stock front ends. By the time you upgrade the springs and brakes, the cost will probably be the same to just swap the front end. The stiffer forks on the swapped front end won't need a fork brace. Like I said,Quote ---> "I think the K9 Fork brace is priced right, but I don't think it's worth the money." Kinda like if your buying an exhaust for the extra horsepower... pointless. Because for a little more money you could totally redo the front end. Some people may buy this and be perfectly happy with the performance gain, GREAT! I hope so, but I just know I wouldn't be. That's my point and my opinion.... No whining intended :) *Woof* *Woof*

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Post by dooden » Fri Feb 15, 2002 1:09 pm

Im happy paying the price thats is asked also, that is when I find a vendor that has it at a price I consider reasonable. Seems having a list to help others along, via support and assistance, and the networking that ties individuals together into a group, has alot more use as such a tool, than just blindly paying whatever. I have learned alot about my KLR since joining this group, ways to protect me and the machine, have shared my ideas and thoughts with others, have listened to others thoughts and take what I feel I can use. Maybe I still whine since growing up, but at least I can say I dont pee on the floor, and at least 2 of us have been able to use the input from another ( Thanks Dale ) that might take what we considered too much cash for a "chunk" of metal at $200 and now consider that same "chunk" of metal worthy of expenditure at $100, since now the progressive springs could also be added without increasing the cost over just blindly paying whatever it cost. Duden Whining Full Speed Ahead.. (without a wake) [snip]
> > Gino... asking what's the difference between a puppy and a
cheapskate?
> Puppies quit whining when they grow up.

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Post by don_detloff » Fri Feb 15, 2002 1:14 pm

> Duden > Whining Full Speed Ahead.. (without a wake) > >
But for how many more days ... or are you down to the hours, yet? Don Detloff Fair Haven, MI, USA '00 KLR650 '00 Triumph Sprint RS '64 Yamaha Trail 80 (ret.)

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Post by Devon Jarvis » Fri Feb 15, 2002 1:32 pm

Where did people get the idea that you can get a KLX front end for pennies? For a clean, UN-bent KLX front end in bolt-on condition, it's going to cost you a few hundred dollars at least, perhaps closer to a thousand if you want it in excellent condition. Then, you'll need to have your KLR stem pressed into the KLX bottom steering clamp, and you'll need a KLX rotor, caliper, bracket, and perhaps front wheel. I don't know if Zack had a KLX wheel, or just a KLX caliper and rotor on the KLR wheel. Then factor in tuning the cartridge forks since they came off a different bike. My front-end upgrades: Progressive springs $90 Galfer green pads $40 Stainless braided hose $25 Fork oil $ 5 K9 fork brace $200 I don't think you need more brakes for offroading, and I don't think you need KLX forks for road riding. I ride some pretty rough terrain, and the bike works well. It bottoms in front with more than a couple feet of air, I might try the cartridge emulators if they can be set up with progressive damping. Devon adamavis wrote:
>
snip
> I'm just saying, I'm sure the K9 fork brace does exactly what it's > supposed to do, maybe even better than advertised! But the KLR's > front end is still plagued with soft forks and crappy brakes right?? > So you have to invest more money to get them to the same level as > some stock front ends. By the time you upgrade the springs and > brakes, the cost will probably be the same to just swap the front end. > The stiffer forks on the swapped front end won't need a fork brace. >

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Post by adamavis » Fri Feb 15, 2002 1:39 pm

i don't want to get into a pissing match with anyone, but you can certainly find deals if you look.
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Devon Jarvis wrote: > Where did people get the idea that you can get a KLX front end for > pennies? For a clean, UN-bent KLX front end in bolt-on condition, it's > going to cost you a few hundred dollars at least, perhaps closer to a > thousand if you want it in excellent condition. Then, you'll need to > have your KLR stem pressed into the KLX bottom steering clamp, and > you'll need a KLX rotor, caliper, bracket, and perhaps front wheel. I > don't know if Zack had a KLX wheel, or just a KLX caliper and rotor on > the KLR wheel. Then factor in tuning the cartridge forks since they came > off a different bike. > > My front-end upgrades: > Progressive springs $90 > Galfer green pads $40 > Stainless braided hose $25 > Fork oil $ 5 > K9 fork brace $200 > > I don't think you need more brakes for offroading, and I don't think you > need KLX forks for road riding. I ride some pretty rough terrain, and > the bike works well. It bottoms in front with more than a couple feet of > air, I might try the cartridge emulators if they can be set up with > progressive damping. > > Devon > > > adamavis wrote: > > > snip > > I'm just saying, I'm sure the K9 fork brace does exactly what it's > > supposed to do, maybe even better than advertised! But the KLR's > > front end is still plagued with soft forks and crappy brakes right?? > > So you have to invest more money to get them to the same level as > > some stock front ends. By the time you upgrade the springs and > > brakes, the cost will probably be the same to just swap the front end. > > The stiffer forks on the swapped front end won't need a fork brace. > >

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Post by Devon Jarvis » Fri Feb 15, 2002 2:05 pm

I'm not pissed off, sorry if I came across that way. That's true, there are always deals, if you are resourceful and patient. But, much of the time you get what you pay for. KLX forks for a couple hundred bucks, if they're as straight as the seller claims, are likely to need a full strip and cleaning at the minimum, and maybe new bushings and seals. This all costs money, not to mention setting up the damping properly for the KLR. My point was only that I don't think that the cost of the usual upgrades to the stock KLR front end, and a KLX front end swap, are really comparable in price. There will always be people who get lucky. But add to your equation the likelihood of easily reselling the K9 brace for $100, in the event you do the swap. Devon adamavis wrote:
> > i don't want to get into a pissing match with anyone, but you can > certainly find deals if you look. > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Devon Jarvis wrote: > > Where did people get the idea that you can get a KLX front end for > > pennies? For a clean, UN-bent KLX front end in bolt-on condition, > it's > > going to cost you a few hundred dollars at least, perhaps closer to > a > > thousand if you want it in excellent condition. Then, you'll need to > > have your KLR stem pressed into the KLX bottom steering clamp, and > > you'll need a KLX rotor, caliper, bracket, and perhaps front wheel. > I > > don't know if Zack had a KLX wheel, or just a KLX caliper and rotor > on > > the KLR wheel. Then factor in tuning the cartridge forks since they > came > > off a different bike. > > > > My front-end upgrades: > > Progressive springs $90 > > Galfer green pads $40 > > Stainless braided hose $25 > > Fork oil $ 5 > > K9 fork brace $200 > > > > I don't think you need more brakes for offroading, and I don't > think you > > need KLX forks for road riding. I ride some pretty rough terrain, > and > > the bike works well. It bottoms in front with more than a couple > feet of > > air, I might try the cartridge emulators if they can be set up with > > progressive damping. > > > > Devon > > > > > > adamavis wrote: > > > > > snip > > > I'm just saying, I'm sure the K9 fork brace does exactly what it's > > > supposed to do, maybe even better than advertised! But the KLR's > > > front end is still plagued with soft forks and crappy brakes > right?? > > > So you have to invest more money to get them to the same level as > > > some stock front ends. By the time you upgrade the springs and > > > brakes, the cost will probably be the same to just swap the front > end. > > > The stiffer forks on the swapped front end won't need a fork > brace. > > >

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Post by adamavis » Fri Feb 15, 2002 2:14 pm

No, I didn't mean pissed off. A pissing match is when .... aww never mind ;) I mean, I don't want to argue :D KLX front ends are also rare, which is why I said KX front ends too. You should be able to find good ones for cheap, but then you need to get a speedo for that wheel assembly. I was going to motard my KLR and I had the front end, rear swing arm, both wheels with rotors and all brake calipers ect for $1000 CDN. All in good shape. But you have to look and you have to know what to look for. Adam
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Devon Jarvis wrote: > I'm not pissed off, sorry if I came across that way. > > That's true, there are always deals, if you are resourceful and patient. > But, much of the time you get what you pay for. KLX forks for a couple > hundred bucks, if they're as straight as the seller claims, are likely > to need a full strip and cleaning at the minimum, and maybe new bushings > and seals. This all costs money, not to mention setting up the damping > properly for the KLR. > > My point was only that I don't think that the cost of the usual upgrades > to the stock KLR front end, and a KLX front end swap, are really > comparable in price. There will always be people who get lucky. But add > to your equation the likelihood of easily reselling the K9 brace for > $100, in the event you do the swap. > > Devon > > adamavis wrote: > > > > i don't want to get into a pissing match with anyone, but you can > > certainly find deals if you look. > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Devon Jarvis wrote: > > > Where did people get the idea that you can get a KLX front end for > > > pennies? For a clean, UN-bent KLX front end in bolt-on condition, > > it's > > > going to cost you a few hundred dollars at least, perhaps closer to > > a > > > thousand if you want it in excellent condition. Then, you'll need to > > > have your KLR stem pressed into the KLX bottom steering clamp, and > > > you'll need a KLX rotor, caliper, bracket, and perhaps front wheel. > > I > > > don't know if Zack had a KLX wheel, or just a KLX caliper and rotor > > on > > > the KLR wheel. Then factor in tuning the cartridge forks since they > > came > > > off a different bike. > > > > > > My front-end upgrades: > > > Progressive springs $90 > > > Galfer green pads $40 > > > Stainless braided hose $25 > > > Fork oil $ 5 > > > K9 fork brace $200 > > > > > > I don't think you need more brakes for offroading, and I don't > > think you > > > need KLX forks for road riding. I ride some pretty rough terrain, > > and > > > the bike works well. It bottoms in front with more than a couple > > feet of > > > air, I might try the cartridge emulators if they can be set up with > > > progressive damping. > > > > > > Devon > > > > > > > > > adamavis wrote: > > > > > > > snip > > > > I'm just saying, I'm sure the K9 fork brace does exactly what it's > > > > supposed to do, maybe even better than advertised! But the KLR's > > > > front end is still plagued with soft forks and crappy brakes > > right?? > > > > So you have to invest more money to get them to the same level as > > > > some stock front ends. By the time you upgrade the springs and > > > > brakes, the cost will probably be the same to just swap the front > > end. > > > > The stiffer forks on the swapped front end won't need a fork > > brace. > > > >

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Post by Miata Myk » Fri Feb 15, 2002 2:38 pm

> http://www.superbrace.com/products/4430.htm > > For reference of course, but the Superbrace looks nice, still $150 > shipped. The K9 is the one with alot of bolts on it right ? > The design on the Superbrace just appears to be more rigid looking.
That is the one that I installed on my '99 A-13 last week and it was a less-than-10 minute install. It also dramatically increased the flexi-flyers stability even at 15mph going out of the first three corners from my apartment. This weekend I'll be giving it the dirt test but otherwise I am very happy with it. Yeah, $150 was a hard bit to swallow at first but I don't regret it now that I have it on the bike.

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Post by gwtompkins » Fri Feb 15, 2002 3:38 pm

That clinches it! I could've sworn that Superbrace was $100 last year! Now $140 on some sites? GT -- In DSN_klr650@y..., "dale_johnson13" wrote:
> --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "adamavis" wrote: > > I'm surprised that nobody has developed a cheap fork brace? The > Dual > > Star one is nice, but after you convert it to $CDN, it's almost
the
> > same as a KLX / KX front end conversion. > > http://www.motorcycletrailer.com/sbracesales1.htm#KAWI > > Cheapest I've found > Dale

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Post by guymanbro » Sat Feb 16, 2002 6:31 pm

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Devon Jarvis wrote:
> A poorly fitting fork brace is worse than no fork brace at all. They > require precision manufacturing and quality control, which costs
money.
> > How much can you get a set of KLX or KX forks and steering clamps
for?
> > Devon >
I got a complete (except for rotor) front end off of a KLX650 for $222 including shipping. But that was a steal...most places wanted upwards of $400 just for the forks. The shim set will probably cost between $200-$300 and then I've got to get a rotor (probably another $200). So all told my conversion is gonna cost about $600. But then I get to sell the front end off my KLR to the list for oh, I don't know... $3500 sound fair? dat brooklyn bum (Just kidding about the price when I sell mine....but I'll probably make back what I put into the project)

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