nklr: topsy turvy - dual-star centerstand

[Devon Jarvis]

I am using a 170mm oil level with progressive springs, works perfectly on the street but still bottoms a little when bouncing around off-road. It doesn't matter which end up you fit the progressive springs, because as you get near bottoming the loose-wound end is compressed considerably, and makes little difference to the volume. Start with 190mm oil level. Add a little if they still bottom easily. Devon A15 hens_p wrote:

> > I think what we all argee on here is we don't know how much front oil > to add. Regardless of if you spec the oil amount by volume (ml) or > distance (mm from the top without springs) neither way takes into > account the spring density. To make matters ever worse, Progressive > tells you that you can put the springs in wide wound or tight wound > side down; it doesn't matter. > > Well, it won't matter as to how the spring is compressed, but it has > a major impact on the amount of fork oil. > > I'm still confused as to how much oil I should have in my tight wound > down Progressive configuration. Something tells me 400ml is too much. > Any guesses on the correct amount. > > Pat / Austin > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., David Kelly wrote: > > "Brian" writes: > > > Doesn't that blow out the theory of measuring the oil level in > mm, and not > > > the quantity in ML in the legs? 190 mm +\- 2mm from the top with > no springs > > > and fully compressed. That is what I thought the manual > recommended when I > > > asked this question back when my forks dove faster than a prom > date? > > > It also seems to negate the 400 or so cc theory, No?? Or do we > assume that > > > the stock spring density is like the progressive density but only > if the > > > smaller winding is at the top and the moon is full, assuming you > don't flip > > > the bike of course..Seems like too many variables > > > > Settle the issue once and for all. Set the _level_ according to the > > manual. Then insert the stock springs and measure down the center. > > Remove and reset the level (to compensate for oil on the OEM > springs). > > Then see how much different it is with the aftermarket springs. > > > > The whole point is to fill the forks with as much oil as possible > but > > not so much as to burst the oil seals at full compression. > > > > If in the past you were having problems with your front forks then > its > > my guess the factory oil level wasn't your problem but the factory > oil > > was. > > > > > > -- > > David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@h... > > > ===================================================================== > > The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its > > capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > http://www.dualsportnews.com > Be part of the Adventure! > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Riley Harlton]

I also went with 15 wt. Too harsh for me, 10 wt next season for sure. Riley A15 Montreal "Mark St.Hilaire, Sr" wrote:

> > for the forks. You use the same amount of fluid that is specified in > your > > manual. If you don't have one, give me a call and I'll see about looking > it > > up for you, we are still kind of living out of boxes. As far as the > spacers > > I just finished up a fork oil change with stock springs, and went by the > manual which says that for a 2001 KLR650, the correct amount of oil is > 355mL. (Which is also, according to Mr. TI-86, 12oz or 1.5 cups.) I used > PJ1 15 H.V.I. mostly because it was dead center of the 10-20 oil that the > manual recommends, (and nobody sells.) > > Andy at FinishLineWest said he used 400mL, which I wondered about because > the manual makes such a big deal about not overfilling the tubes for fear > of blowing seals... Oh no, not THAT again! I just assumed that the > new springs changed the volume of oil, for some reason. > > > Wise men still seek Him... > > Mark St.Hilaire, Sr > A15 > HomePage: > http://home.adelphia.net/~msaint/index.html > KLR650 Pages: > http://klr6500.tripod.com/ > Valve Check & Adjustment Guide: > http://klr6500.tripod.com/valves.html > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > http://www.dualsportnews.com > Be part of the Adventure! > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[W.V. Doran]

Try Fred at Arrowhead Motor Sports he has the 5 Star center stand... http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/index.html WVDoran Scottsdale, AZ --- bsetliff wrote:

> --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Jim Franklin > wrote: > > The Dual-STar centerstand is the most unstable > I've ever seen, but > > it does come in extremely handy. I only use it > when performing > > serice. > > Any other alternatives? I was considering the Dual > Star centerstand > and their bash plate, which seems made to fit with > their centerstand. > Thanks. > > Brett > Hungover in Ohio > > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > http://www.dualsportnews.com > Be part of the Adventure! > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

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[RM]

On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Riley Harlton wrote:

>I also went with 15 wt. Too harsh for me, 10 wt next season for sure.

Maybe the temperature is too low for 15wt up there? I replaced the stock 10W20 oil with 15wt and the difference was noticeable but not very significant. Come to think of it, it does get a tad harsh when it's close to freezing outside... Maybe Kawi was onto something when they selected a multi-grade fork oil. Too bad the stuff is blended with liquid unobtainium... RM

[don_detloff]

> > >I also went with 15 wt. Too harsh for me, 10 wt next season for

sure.

> > Maybe the temperature is too low for 15wt up there? I replaced the

stock

> 10W20 oil with 15wt and the difference was noticeable but not very > significant. Come to think of it, it does get a tad harsh when it's

close

> to freezing outside... > > Maybe Kawi was onto something when they selected a multi-grade fork

oil.

> Too bad the stuff is blended with liquid unobtainium... > > RM

What about using a synthetic to prevent thickening up in the cold weather? Don Detloff Fair Haven, MI, USA '00 KLR650 '00 Triumph Sprint RS '00 Yamaha Trail 80 (Ret)