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[marcclarke@unforgettable.com]

I agree. It sounds like an intermittent connection to me. What a P.I.T.A. I can not imagine how the CDI unit itself could go intermittent. It should simply fail and stay dead. -- Marc Illsley Clarke, M.S.E.E., Kawasaki KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA ----Original Message-----

>From: "J. Gregory" >To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com>; "Leonard Cremer" >Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Spark Problems >Date: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 09:18 > >that really sounds like a bad wire connection I would take every connection >apart and clean them it's big job but think you will find your problem In my >experience CDI's usually either work or fail completely. but bad connections >come and go with no rhyme or reason. Don't forget to check fuse connections >make sure they are tight. and the ground must be good thats what i would >check first. > >Jim >Arkansas >U.S.A. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Leonard Cremer" >To: >Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:03 AM >Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Spark Problems > > >> Thanks for all the help with the spark problems. >> >> Over the weekend I switched the starter coil and that doesn't seem to be >the >> problem. After that we started disconnecting all wiring to the lights etc. >> Suddenly we have a nice continuous spark and we rode the bike for about 20 >> min. That night, no spark again. The only thing I couldn't swop yet is the >> CDI. Is it common for faulty CDI's to work now and then, or even for about >> half an hour without any problem and then going dead again. >> >> I would appreciate it if you could send me that treatise you where talking >> about. >> >> Thanks >> Leonard >> JHB >> South Africa >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: BCSavWill@... [mailto:BCSavWill@...] >> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:52 PM >> > To: leonard@... >> > Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >> > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Spark Problems >> > >> > >> > Forget voltages here, you need to measure resistance, either too much >> > (grounded) or not enough (open circuit. >> > >> > It is straight forward to measure the following. >> > Ignition coil. >> > >> > Between the terminal and ground 0.17/ 0.25 ohms >> > Between plug lead and ground without plug cap 3.2 / 4.8 K ohms >> > with the plug >> > cap add about 5K. >> > Anything different and the coil is shot. >> > >> > Ignition power (just had this problem on the Husky, no sparks.......new > >> > stator and flywheel assembly !!!!!) >> > >> > Disconnect pick up and exiter (power) coil leads and measure each lead >to >> > ground all should be at infinity, if not there is a short. >> > >> > Then measure between W and BK leads (exiter) should be 61 to 114 ohms >> > >> > between black/yellow and black (timing signal) should be 100 to 150 ohms >> > >> > If the rotor and stator have been apart for sometime ir the rotor >> > has been >> > dropped or banged or is aged it is not unknown for it to have lost its >> > megnetism. The shouyld be hard to separate when you take the >> > cover off and >> > it should almost pull it out of your hands when you put it back. >> > Magnets need a keeper or they WILL loose magnetism. >> > >> > Don't forget that the stop switch, clutch switch, and side stand switch >> > ground the ignition system. >> > >> > Cranking the bike, by foot or motor, without the spark plug lead >> > connected, >> > or plug grounded can damage the CDI. >> > >> > The manual is very helpfull for these electrical checks. >> > >> > I hope this is of some help. It can be a nightmare!! >> > >> > I could send you a treatise on trouble shooting ignition systems which >is >> > generic. >> > >> > Brian >> > KLR A14 >> > KLX C1 >> > TE 410E >> > Honolulu, HI >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > Checkout Dual Sport News at >> > http://www.dualsportnews.com >> > Be part of the Adventure! >> > >> > Visit the KLR650 archives at >> > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 >> > >> > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >> > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com >> > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com >> > >> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> > >> >> >> Checkout Dual Sport News at >> http://www.dualsportnews.com >> Be part of the Adventure! >> >> Visit the KLR650 archives at >> http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 >> >> Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >> Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com >> Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> > > >Checkout Dual Sport News at >http://www.dualsportnews.com >Be part of the Adventure! > >Visit the KLR650 archives at >http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > >Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com >Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[Devon Jarvis]

I had the TCI box (similar to a CDI but controls battery'n'coil, not magneto) on my '85 XJ700 Yamaha fail, and it progressively got worse over a couple of weeks. The bike would start fine, run perfectly for an hour (at first), then start missing and die. Turn it off and on again, it would work for another hour... Eventually an hour between failures turned into 10 minutes. It would still run the bike (for a little while) when I finally replaced it, and that was the end of my problems. So don't dismiss the CDI out of hand. BUT, you need to service the electrical connections regardless and all it costs is some time and a tube of dielectric tune-up grease. A bad ground somewhere, etc... Also, having a helper to wiggle wires and connections while you check them with a multimeter helps. Analog meters work better than digital ones for spotting intermittents when you exercise the wire. Devon A15 marcclarke@... wrote:

> > I agree. It sounds like an intermittent connection to me. What a P.I.T.A. I can not imagine how the CDI unit itself could go intermittent. It should simply fail and stay dead. > > -- Marc Illsley Clarke, M.S.E.E., Kawasaki KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA > > ----Original Message----- > >From: "J. Gregory" > >To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com>; "Leonard Cremer" > >Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Spark Problems > >Date: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 09:18 > > > >that really sounds like a bad wire connection I would take every connection > >apart and clean them it's big job but think you will find your problem In my > >experience CDI's usually either work or fail completely. but bad connections > >come and go with no rhyme or reason. Don't forget to check fuse connections > >make sure they are tight. and the ground must be good thats what i would > >check first. > > > >Jim > >Arkansas > >U.S.A. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Leonard Cremer" > >To: > >Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:03 AM > >Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Spark Problems > > > > > >> Thanks for all the help with the spark problems. > >> > >> Over the weekend I switched the starter coil and that doesn't seem to be > >the > >> problem. After that we started disconnecting all wiring to the lights etc. > >> Suddenly we have a nice continuous spark and we rode the bike for about 20 > >> min. That night, no spark again. The only thing I couldn't swop yet is the > >> CDI. Is it common for faulty CDI's to work now and then, or even for about > >> half an hour without any problem and then going dead again. > >> > >> I would appreciate it if you could send me that treatise you where talking > >> about. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Leonard > >> JHB > >> South Africa > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: BCSavWill@... [mailto:BCSavWill@...] > >> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:52 PM > >> > To: leonard@... > >> > Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > >> > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Spark Problems > >> > > >> > > >> > Forget voltages here, you need to measure resistance, either too much > >> > (grounded) or not enough (open circuit. > >> > > >> > It is straight forward to measure the following. > >> > Ignition coil. > >> > > >> > Between the terminal and ground 0.17/ 0.25 ohms > >> > Between plug lead and ground without plug cap 3.2 / 4.8 K ohms > >> > with the plug > >> > cap add about 5K. > >> > Anything different and the coil is shot. > >> > > >> > Ignition power (just had this problem on the Husky, no sparks.......new > > > >> > stator and flywheel assembly !!!!!) > >> > > >> > Disconnect pick up and exiter (power) coil leads and measure each lead > >to > >> > ground all should be at infinity, if not there is a short. > >> > > >> > Then measure between W and BK leads (exiter) should be 61 to 114 ohms > >> > > >> > between black/yellow and black (timing signal) should be 100 to 150 ohms > >> > > >> > If the rotor and stator have been apart for sometime ir the rotor > >> > has been > >> > dropped or banged or is aged it is not unknown for it to have lost its > >> > megnetism. The shouyld be hard to separate when you take the > >> > cover off and > >> > it should almost pull it out of your hands when you put it back. > >> > Magnets need a keeper or they WILL loose magnetism. > >> > > >> > Don't forget that the stop switch, clutch switch, and side stand switch > >> > ground the ignition system. > >> > > >> > Cranking the bike, by foot or motor, without the spark plug lead > >> > connected, > >> > or plug grounded can damage the CDI. > >> > > >> > The manual is very helpfull for these electrical checks. > >> > > >> > I hope this is of some help. It can be a nightmare!! > >> > > >> > I could send you a treatise on trouble shooting ignition systems which > >is > >> > generic. > >> > > >> > Brian > >> > KLR A14 > >> > KLX C1 > >> > TE 410E > >> > Honolulu, HI > >> > > >> > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > >> > > >> > Checkout Dual Sport News at > >> > http://www.dualsportnews.com > >> > Be part of the Adventure! > >> > > >> > Visit the KLR650 archives at > >> > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > >> > > >> > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > >> > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > >> > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >> > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > >> > > >> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >> > > >> > >> > >> Checkout Dual Sport News at > >> http://www.dualsportnews.com > >> Be part of the Adventure! > >> > >> Visit the KLR650 archives at > >> http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > >> > >> Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > >> Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > >> Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >> List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > >> > >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >Checkout Dual Sport News at > >http://www.dualsportnews.com > >Be part of the Adventure! > > > >Visit the KLR650 archives at > >http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > >Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > >Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > http://www.dualsportnews.com > Be part of the Adventure! > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Susan and Marshall]

Tobin and list, I am planning on leaving Thur. AM to relocate to New Orleans. Will be off list for at least one month. Thanks to all, even those I don't always agree with, for the great info and more fun than should be legal. I'll really miss this forum. Can't wait till the move is over and I'm back with you all. Again, thanks for everything. Marshall in Afton, Ok '95 KLXC3 "Blackhorse" (in honor of those who served)

----- Original Message ----- From: To: Susan and Marshall Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 12:59 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Dual Sport News Announcement > Thanks again Marshall. > Actually this first issue got out with a couple mistakes..... > the proofing with six folks was a fiasco. But that's just our > first, things will smooth out....... > > I suppose in a few days when the issues start being recieved, > folks might have something to say........sure would be nice > to have your positive support on list, if the highly critical > ones say much........ > > Hope you enjoy the issues.......your feedback is welcome > anytime Marshall........... To few positive folks out there > sometimes......... > > All the Best.... > Toby > > Susan and Marshall wrote: > > > Tobin, > > > > Thanks for the update. I'm sure with you at the helm, DS News will be a > > first class publication. > > > > Marshall in Afton, Ok > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:39 AM > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Dual Sport News Announcement > > > > > Dual Sport News > > > > > > October 2001 > > > > > > Subject: Subscriptions/Ownership change > > > > > > Dear Dual Sport News Subscribers, > > > > > > > > > The Dual Sport News changed ownership in late August 2001. The business > > has changed locations from Salt Lake City, Utah to Ojai, California. > > Additionally there has been a vast personnel change. Layout, Editing, > > Subscriptions, Advertising, and Website have all started anew in California. > > All documents and inventory have been moved to California as part of this > > move. > > > > > > > > > Our first publication under new ownership has been printed and is being > > mailed at this time. We are well underway with a skilled new staff and we > > hope you all enjoy Dual Sport news in the times ahead. > > > > > > > > > Due to the extensive nature of transfer of ownership, a physical moving of > > all departments, and necessary time involved in assembling and implementing > > a new staff the issue/publication prior to transfer, and the > > issue/publication during transfer will not be printed. This specifically > > means that the June-July 2001 issue and August-September 2001 issue will not > > be printed. We have already updated your account in our subscriber database. > > To be clear, what this means is the number of issues you subscribed for will > > be the number of issues you receive. This has been already automatically > > done and there is no need for you to do anything. We offer our deepest > > apologies and sincere regrets regarding this interruption. It has been a > > physical impossibility to try and assemble these two issues due to the > > complexities involved in the change of ownership. We have made the practical > > decision that it would be most appropriate for you to receive current, up to > > date information, rather than dated information. > > > > > > I wish to thank our many devoted and dedicated subscribers, new > > subscribers, and advertisers for believing in and supporting us. I wish to > > thank all prior Staff persons of Dual Sport News for laboring so hard with > > so much love to create such a fine and noted journal. > > > > > > We are now moving forward and will be providing you an even further > > developing journal, while keeping in mind the ideals upon which the Dual > > Sport News was founded We have two new internationally known writer-authors > > who will be joining our staff. Our production staff has quadrupled, and we > > are inspired at the thought of providing our readers a new and progressive > > publication. > > > > > > I am very excited about what I see as the 'adventure' ahead with Dual > > Sport News. I invite you all to come along, to share and contribute, as the > > new Dual Sport News continues to grow and expand. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Tobin S. Lampson > > > Owner, Dual Sport News > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > > > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > > Be part of the Adventure! > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > > > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > >