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[Dan Oaks]

on 10/3/01 2:00 AM, marcclarke@... at marcclarke@... wrote:

> I have worked in both the UK and in California. I do not think the UK has it > right. More on that below.

I certainly don't think Califorina has it right, either. -- bierdo

[Riley Harlton]

Yes having so many fewer guns in Canada has resulted in far fewer deaths per capita, but we have learned to live with that. Riley Montreal marcclarke@... wrote:

> Sadly, the Canadians, the Aussies, and the Brits have each seen their nation's violent crime rates go up (not down) since effectively banning private ownership of handguns. In the ideal scenario, everyone turns in their guns and no one commits violent crimes. In the real scenario, the law-abiding citizens turn in their guns, the criminals (oh yes, the ones who we already knew do not follow the law) do not turn in their weapons, and then the criminals are treated to a guaranteed defenseless victim-rich zone. The rise in the crime rates, especially in the violent crime rates (the still-armed criminals have no fear of would-be victims being able to effectively defend themselves against an armed attack) follows naturally. > > -- Marc, Kawasaki KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA > > ----Original Message----- > >From: S2Mumford@... > >To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR stoppies (in the criminal sense) > >Date: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 15:38 > > > >That is patently ridiculous. > >How many 13 year olds bite or kick someone to death? > >I know all the gun enthusiasts on the list will love this, but I > >would rather there were no handguns in private ownership. > >I am enough of a realist to understand that in the USA, this will > >never happen, I mean you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, > >there are far too many handguns out there already in the USA. But > >I'll bet not many of the UK listers worry about their kids getting > >shot on the way to school... > > > >And Fred, quit it with the name calling, OK? Just because you don't > >agree with a country's laws, does that really make them "idiots" or > >does it make you an "Ugly American" for saying that? > > > >My whole family lives in the UK except myself, my wife and kids, and > >my Mom. > > > > > >CA Stu > > >--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Chris Rivers" wrote: > >> My, oh my. You bring up a very good point! Feet and teeth should > >be > >> illegal as well! Far to dangerous! > >> > >> Later. > >> Renn > >> A15 (Rocinante) > >> > >> I've even heard the Brit's are talking about knife control, > >> > I think once these statist idiots realize there's no way to > >enforce a > >> blunt > >> > object ban or a rock registration scenario they'll eventually end > >up > >> > suspending you all from bungee cords to preclude kicking and > >biting each > >> > other. > >> > Fred J > >> > > >> > > > > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > http://www.dualsportnews.com > Be part of the Adventure! > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[FGJ]

> Yes having so many fewer guns in Canada has resulted in far fewer deaths

per capita, but we have learned to live with that.

> > Riley > Montreal

Riley Your ( Canadian ) loose immigration system has apparently made up for it as least as far as the American deaths per capita, I think Bin Laden's guy's and the previous WTC bombers all got here via Canada. My Uncle lives in Toronto last time I was thier it seemed more like a suburb of Islamabad And I'd really love to see those statistics, the left has always had absolutely no problem whatsoever being entirely disengenuous about these things, likely as most of thier stuff is all emotion based, essentially "secular religion " where it's OK to be Machiavellian. There's a great book about the political left by a black American acedemic " Vision of the Annointed " " The Politics of self congratulation " you might enjoy reading it. Fred J

[FGJ]

> Yes having so many fewer guns in Canada has resulted in far fewer deaths

per capita, but we have learned to live with that.

> > Riley > Montreal

Riley Perhaps they confused the attrition rate from chainsaws and duct tape mishaps under the influence of Labatt's

[Dan Oaks]

I believe that any law abiding citizen that is capable of learning how to use a firearm and has the desire to own one should be able to own one. But to attach the rise and fall of violent crimes to gun ownership is unreasonable. Every politician that has been in office for the past 10 years and every law enforcement agency, and every non-gun owner, and every gun owner wants credit for the downturn in violent crime. In fact, violent crimes go up and down most radically with the turn of the economy. Jobs keep people off the street, and give people the sense of accomplishment and of belonging. Christmas should be banned because violent crime increases near and during the Holidays. Get your guns ready boys, the economy is going to hell, and Christmas is coming. Don't tell me about how many people are killed by guns unless you're willing to include statistics of how many asses were saved by guns during the same period of time, and in the same society. Guns save many more lives than they take. In the case of suicide, guns save untold lives. How many more people would die at the hands of a suicidal driver in 4000 lb. Buick at 120 mph. If I were a criminal I would pick on people that relied on cell phones, alarms, and the authorities for their security. It's proven to be the safer choice for criminals every day. It was proven again on September 11, 2001. I carry a gun and a cell phone in my vehicle (legal). If I am carjacked by a criminal with a cell phone, I will trade him tit-for-tat with my cell phone. But if the criminal uses any other weapon, and if the opportunity arises, I will resort to using my gun until the authorities arrive to save my ass. The effectiveness of gun control and security provided by authorities is demonstrated regularly in Ireland. Maybe we should send our cell phones to Ireland. All of these arguments add up to nothing. What counts is: the US Constitution gives every Citizen the right to protect himself and his or her family. Whether you choose to protect yourself and your family with a cell phone or a 357 Magnum is your business alone. You must live (or die) with the consequenses. I just wish I could have handed any one of my own handguns to the crew on United Flight 93 on September 11, 2001. Never mind the airport security, the authorities, and the cell phones; they were proven totally worthless when the chips were down. I live in Florida, where Citizens have demonstrated for several years, beyond a shadow of a doubt to me, that carrying a gun does not result in problems of any kind, and may even reduce the potential for same. I feel much safer knowing that, in Florida, when I walk into McDonald's, someone is probably legally armed with a handgun. The likelyhood of anyone gunning down everyone there without any resistance is most remote. -- bierdo We must learn to shoot accurately as we ride.

[debbie@carrabassett.net]

I would probably be a big hit with the local police if I walked down the street at 2am with my wife carrying my ak47 personal defense weapon on my shoulder to keep some punk from stabbing me. No thanks, I'll keep my Glock on my belt John A handgun is a defensive weapon, if you were going to plan on attacking or killing someone use a rifle

> It is a fact that handguns kill 30 times more people per 100,000 in > the USA than the UK. > Keep your long rifles to defend against the Evil Empire (like the

2nd

> amendment intended), but remember, "Handguns are made for killin', > they ain't no good for nothin' else" > > CA Stu

[RM]

--- FGJ wrote:

>Personally I'll sleep better once the Canadians are disarmed, as >sooner or later they're going to want to get even for our previous >invasions, (1777, 1812) and it is the largest unguarded border in the >world, they're lulling us into a false sense of complacency with the Red >Green schtick.

Nearly 90% of the Canuck population is concentrated within 160km of the US border. One would assume that a large percentage of their military is also within this zone. And we sit here and do nothing. I don't trust them, with their beady eyes and flapping heads. Where is acid rain when you need it? RM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com

[Bogdan Swider]

> Yes having so many fewer guns in Canada has resulted in far fewer deaths > per capita, but we have learned to live with that. > > Riley > Montreal >

Is that why the health care system is taking a dump ? ( At least in Ontario where I go regularly ) Too many live people ? Bogdan

[Bogdan Swider]

> There's a great book about the political left by a black American > acedemic " Vision of the Annointed " " The Politics of self congratulation > " > you might enjoy reading it. > > Fred J > >

Yeah, Tom Sowell. It's a great read. Bogdan

[FGJ]

> > >Personally I'll sleep better once the Canadians are disarmed, as > >sooner or later they're going to want to get even for our previous > >invasions, (1777, 1812) and it is the largest unguarded border in the > >world, they're lulling us into a false sense of complacency with the Red > >Green schtick. > > Nearly 90% of the Canuck population is concentrated within 160km of the US > border. One would assume that a large percentage of their military is

also

> within this zone. And we sit here and do nothing. I don't trust them, > with their beady eyes and flapping heads. Where is acid rain when you

need

> it?

RM There's little doubt of the insideous nature of the Canadian, the flannel shirts, Labatt's calling each other hosers etc, ominous indeed They are truly " The great white threat from the north " I think the pre-invasion infiltration has already started ie. listen to Peter Jennings say "aboot "