going out for chinese food - - the hard way

[Duvall Ed]

Hey Zack, I was wondering if you were aware that its an email virus? And that most people that have are not aware of it? Ed

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Zachariah Mully" wrote: > Squid- > > > > The virus has nothing to do with E-commerce. It is email driven. He > > probably sent a list to his home address,the virus found it in his > > sent box, sent it out wuth the virus attached. > > I'm not defending Dual Star, I'm just stating the facts. > > > > Ah, how misguided are your intentions.... Yes, I know it is an email > virus! Yes, I know that most people who have it are not aware of it and > when they do find out are horrified and try quickly to correct it! Yes, > it might have been sent from his home computer! > > BUT! > > Are you a business? Do you have sensitive information stored on your > computer(s)? Have you taken the necessary precautions to make sure that > access to that information is properly controlled? Do you email home > sensitive information? > > When you deal with a business online you are putting you trust in them > that they'll protect your sensitive and private data with any and all > means availible. That means proper virus protection, proper ACL's, > proper data backup and retrival methods. When a business has none of > these in place, or poorly implemented, it can be devastating to both the > customer and the business. > > I am abhorred at your laissez-faire attitude to this, it is attitudes > such as yours which let businesses buy and sell our personal, > confidental information like so much cattle... You may not care, but I > certainely do, and I do not tolerate this type of behavior from any > business, even MY own. If I had recieved your personal medical history > in an email sent by the virus, I am sure that you'd be singing a > different tune about security right about now... > > Do you get the jist of why I am so ticked of with the irresponisible > behavior of Dual-star (or better Jeff@DS)? > > Perhaps I spend too much time everyday protecting all my subscribers > personal, private information, so that they don't end up in someone's > email inbox. I dunno, am I doing a disservice to my subscribers? > > ------------------ > Zack > Banana Republic of Washington, DC > KLR650A5 "Buster" | KLR650A2 | ZG1000A1 | KZ440A2 | KX125G1 | 1966 Vespa > 125 > COG #4664

[Duvall Ed]

If we're talking about the same virus, it doesn't just take information from the email client, it copies random files off the hard drive. Sooo, if a business had sensitive customer data stored in a spreadsheet, or a database file, or even just simple word doc, it could have been mailed to I don't know how many people all over the world. That would be a bad security breach. Now lets see, how many companies use spreadsheets, databases, and simple word docs to store sensitive custome databse? Oh my god, its ALL of them!

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., squidwannabe@h... wrote: > > I phoned in my order, so If my VISA / personal info is on their email > client, shit will hit the fan..... Ok I see your point. > > But on the other hand, you can now approach DS with a security > solution > > So this is what we learned , email clients are not secure > databases , virues are bad and French is cool. > > Francais pour tous ! > > Adam the Frenchie from Canada. > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Zachariah Mully" wrote: > > Adam- > > Still missing the point here... Are you not worried about > your own > > personal information that these companies have? That is my sole > concern. > > Why accept their excuse for sending your information to unknown > parties? > > Perhaps I am a little too wound up about this, but this is a place > that > > I was going to order from and a place that a lot of the listers > *have* > > ordered from. Privacy violations are only going to get worse and as > it > > would seem no one gives a flying f*** through a rolling donut about > it > > here. > > > > Just wait for the personal barcode to be tattoo to you forehead then > > tell me what you think > > > > ------------------ > > Zack > > Banana Republic of Washington, DC > > KLR650A5 "Buster" | KLR650A2 | ZG1000A1 | KZ440A2 | KX125G1 | 1966 > Vespa > > 125 > > COG #4664 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: squidwannabe@h... [mailto:squidwannabe@h...] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:27 PM > > > To: DSN_klr650@y... > > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR: F*** DUAL-STAR > > > > > > > > > Zach, > > > > > > I agree with you, but new viruses evolve everyday which one cannot > > > prepare fully for. > > > Not everyone has an mind like a computer whiz. Maybe dual star > > > outsourced there network setup in hopes it would be secure ? and > some > > > ego driven MCSE know it all came in a hook everything up for him. > > > Even on a unix box a virus via email is still a threat. > > > > > > Adam Davis > > > > > > > > >

[Dale Johnson]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Fred Hink" wrote:

> Anyone that has ordered from me in the past can rest assured that

their

> credit information is safe. I don't store any credit card numbers

or other

> information like that on my computer just for this reason. Since

my shop is

> a small one and not sophisticated like some other larger

business's, your

> credit info is stored on index cards and about as safe as Smith &

Wesson and

> Ruger can make them. >

--Snip I can vouch for this. When I called about a credit card order I made from Fred, He had to look it up on his INDEX cards.. Dale

[James L. Miller Jr.]

NO, no, no. Please don't tell me you still own a S&W? After what they did the the gun living public? I sold mine the day after I got wind of their treason towards the gun owners in the united states. I'll try not to hold it against you. JimMiller Ruger I'll allow, for now! --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Fred Hink" wrote:your

> credit info is stored on index cards and about as safe as Smith &

Wesson and

> Ruger can make them. > > >

[Dan Oaks]

on 8/1/01 12:56 AM, Duvall Ed at klxmoto@... wrote:

> If we're talking about the same virus, it doesn't just take > information from the email client, it copies random files off the > hard drive. > > Sooo, if a business had sensitive customer data stored in a > spreadsheet, or a database file, or even just simple word doc, it > could have been mailed to I don't know how many people all over the > world. > > That would be a bad security breach. Now lets see, how many companies > use spreadsheets, databases, and simple word docs to store sensitive > custome databse? Oh my god, its ALL of them! > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., squidwannabe@h... wrote: >>

I have a completely separate computer for the interent. Nothing goes or comes past it in either direction. My business is totally inacessible from the internet or an intranet. No credit card or credit information is saved anywhere. Nothing is availabl for anyone to screw with. Thats the only way to do business. -- -- Dan (BIERDO) Oaks, President Formtech Services, Inc. the stable: '01 XT225 - '01 KLR650 - '99 DR650 '82 XL250R - '78 TC90 - '77 GS550 '91 Yammy 4 stroke golf cart 2 bad dogs and a sled Wanted: TLR200 Mfr. of Printing Equipment & Supplies formtech@... bierdo@... http://www.formtechservices.com Mfr. of 4x4 POLY Motorcycle Parts bierdo@... http://www.dirtly.com 2970 Robins Nest Ct. Saint Cloud, FL 34772-8182 USA 800 522-6257 407 957-7887 (fax)

[Dan Oaks]

on 7/31/01 11:54 PM, squidwannabe@... at squidwannabe@... wrote:

> > I phoned in my order, so If my VISA / personal info is on their email > client, shit will hit the fan..... Ok I see your point. > > But on the other hand, you can now approach DS with a security > solution > > So this is what we learned , email clients are not secure > databases , virues are bad and French is cool. > > Francais pour tous ! > > Adam the Frenchie from Canada. > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Zachariah Mully" wrote: >> Adam- >> Still missing the point here... Are you not worried about > your own >> personal information that these companies have? That is my sole > concern. >> Why accept their excuse for sending your information to unknown > parties? >> Perhaps I am a little too wound up about this, but this is a place > that >> I was going to order from and a place that a lot of the listers > *have* >> ordered from. Privacy violations are only going to get worse and as > it >> would seem no one gives a flying f*** through a rolling donut about > it >> here. >> >> Just wait for the personal barcode to be tattoo to you forehead then >> tell me what you think >> >> ------------------ >> Zack >> Banana Republic of Washington, DC >> KLR650A5 "Buster" | KLR650A2 | ZG1000A1 | KZ440A2 | KX125G1 | 1966 > Vespa >> 125 >> COG #4664

The card holder can't be held responsible for fraud occurring on the internet. -- bierdo

[Fred Hink]

Actually it is a Dan Wesson but I didn't figure anyone heard of that one. Fred www.arrowheadmotorsports.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "James L. Miller Jr." To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:08 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR: F*** DUAL-STAR > NO, no, no. Please don't tell me you still own a S&W? After what > they did the the gun living public? I sold mine the day after I got > wind of their treason towards the gun owners in the united states. > I'll try not to hold it against you. > JimMiller > Ruger I'll allow, for now! > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Fred Hink" wrote:your > > credit info is stored on index cards and about as safe as Smith & > Wesson and > > Ruger can make them. > > > >

[glenn@xmission.com]

Awesome piece of firearm art. Love the interchangable barrels. Glenn

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Fred Hink" wrote: > Actually it is a Dan Wesson but I didn't figure anyone heard of that one. > > > Fred > www.arrowheadmotorsports.com >

[gyb@sprynet.com]

>NO, no, no. Please don't tell me you still own a S&W? After what >they did the the gun living public? I sold mine the day after I got >wind of their treason towards the gun owners in the united states. >I'll try not to hold it against you. >Ruger I'll allow, for now!

Ruger? The same company that preaches freedom to buy/use guns but will not provide medical insurance to their own employees who practice "dangerous sports", such as motorcycle riding (street legal motorcycling, with the endorsements and safety gear required by the law of the state, mind you)? That Ruger? YPrioritiesMV, Gustavo

[Martin Fletchall]

Well... actually it does as they are linked... and YES you can prevent MOST of these kinds of viruses with updates and active x controls that STOP bandit variants from "within". (GRC recently did an article about this not long ago... about how most security software can't recognize the attack from within....i.e. coping files from the H.D. and emailing them to others etc etc.) cheap, easy stuff like.... Zone Labs has a FREE firewall that can do this...(Yes, I know there not God's gift to anything just making my point....) Anyways... as Zach's been going off YES DS could have prevented this situation with some very "basic" measures they have not implemented yet... Hopefully they will. ( YES I KNOW NOTHING can stop everything but this one CLEARLY COULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED) And.... That has nothing to do with the quality of the their products etc etc... No one is saying the DS products suck... Just there NET SECURITY SUCKS...and once what's done is done it's too late... Just like the Government and MS..... Wait till something bad happens then fix it because now YOU HAVE TO .... Enough Said, Fletch The virus has nothing to do with E-commerce. It is email driven. He probably sent a list to his home address,the virus found it in his sent box, sent it out wuth the virus attached. I'm not defending Dual Star, I'm just stating the facts.