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Richard Ohnstad
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nklr: klr650 greater than the sum of it's parts

Post by Richard Ohnstad » Sun Jun 03, 2001 1:19 pm

Joe, Good discussion. My brother went from a KLR650 to a DR650 (he couldn't resist "stealing" a slightly used DR). So far, the one that likes the DR the most over the KLR is my 5'6", 120# daughter. When I have tried the DR, I'm very impressed with the lower center of gravity. Neither my brother nor I were ever bothered by the amount of vibration with the KLR. We're planning on 2 weeks of riding in southern BC starting 6/18, so I imagine opinions will begin to solidify during that time. Richard in Tucson 94 KLR650 86 VFR750
> Hi; > Read your post with great interest. Having owned both a 96 KLR650 and a
99
> DR650 I thought you might be interested in a different perspective. > I wanted a KLR for a long time. I saw it as a lightweight adventure > tourer and imagined using it primarily for long day tours of Mt. Hood and > the Oregon Coastal range. In a way it was many of those things. The fuel > range is good, the seating position and the seat are relatively
comfortable,
> the mini-fairing does a so so job of breaking up wind. Unfortunately for
me
> I found that the vibration was hand numbing and I did not care for the top > heavy tippy feeling of the bike on dirt road excursions. I never felt
like
> I had full control of it. I stand at 6' and have a 32" inseam. A taller > person might easily have felt more in control of the bike and not worried > about it. I would not have wanted to ride it on anything rougher than a > graded dirt road myself although I know many people do. > Enter the DR650. The salesman told you some half-truths. Suzuki did
a
> redesign of the bike in 1996, lightened it, some engine improvements such
as
> a composite material in the cylinder liner for durability improvement and
a
> generally more dirt focused mission than the KLR. Most of the magazines
who
> tested them called it a 50/50 bike, meaning 50 per cent road and 50 per
cent
> dirt. The KLR is often characterized as more 70/30 with a street bias.
In
> my view the DR is infinitely smoother in terms of vibration and due to the > fact that the weight mass is carried lower and the bike has a smaller > overall feeling I feel much more comfortable on it if the ground turns > rough. It simply does not have the top heavy feeling of the KLR. I would > also say that the suspension as delivered is better on the Suzuki although > neither is as good as a well set up bike with cartridge forks. (It also > has the advantage of being able to be lowered further still with a factory > kit if the stock bike is still too tall.) > The disadvantage of the Suzuki is that the tank is relatively small, 3.5
gal
> lons I believe, and the seat is not much for extended rides. a larger > plastic tank is available from IMS, (5 gallons) and I am sure you could > either get a Corbin seat or have the stocker reconfigured. Suzuki also > sells a gel seat although it is the same general shape as stock which I > would have my doubts about the benefits of. (BTW, changing seats on a KLR > is a common thing, many find they can't live with the stock seat on them). > It all comes down to preferences and you may find that the vibration of > theKLR isn't that big a deal to you, many say so or try to find various > cures. For me I felt that the general feel of the DR and smoothness was > much preferable. I would far rather change a gas tank and seat than try
to
> overcome basic engineering flaws. Curiously I also found the Suzuki just > generally more fun to ride. I find it has a more lively feel to the
engine,
> much easier to wheelie and feels quite a bit faster than the KLR. I doubt > if it really is that much, if any faster, but it just feels like it. > Either bike has its pros and cons. I suggest you actually ride both > before forming any decision unless your heart is just set on the KLR. If
so
> buy it and have a ball. If not give them both a try and I think you will
be
> surprised how different their personalities are.

Dan Oaks
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nklr: klr650 greater than the sum of it's parts

Post by Dan Oaks » Sun Jun 03, 2001 6:22 pm

Good stuff, Joe. -- bierdo Joe Smith wrote:
> Hi; > Read your post with great interest. Having owned both a 96 KLR650 and a 99 > DR650 I thought you might be interested in a different perspective. > I wanted a KLR for a long time. I saw it as a lightweight adventure > tourer and imagined using it primarily for long day tours of Mt. Hood and > the Oregon Coastal range. In a way it was many of those things. The fuel > range is good, the seating position and the seat are relatively comfortable, > the mini-fairing does a so so job of breaking up wind. Unfortunately for me > I found that the vibration was hand numbing and I did not care for the top > heavy tippy feeling of the bike on dirt road excursions. I never felt like > I had full control of it. I stand at 6' and have a 32" inseam. A taller > person might easily have felt more in control of the bike and not worried > about it. I would not have wanted to ride it on anything rougher than a > graded dirt road myself although I know many people do. > Enter the DR650. The salesman told you some half-truths. Suzuki did a > redesign of the bike in 1996, lightened it, some engine improvements such as > a composite material in the cylinder liner for durability improvement and a > generally more dirt focused mission than the KLR. Most of the magazines who > tested them called it a 50/50 bike, meaning 50 per cent road and 50 per cent > dirt. The KLR is often characterized as more 70/30 with a street bias. In > my view the DR is infinitely smoother in terms of vibration and due to the > fact that the weight mass is carried lower and the bike has a smaller > overall feeling I feel much more comfortable on it if the ground turns > rough. It simply does not have the top heavy feeling of the KLR. I would > also say that the suspension as delivered is better on the Suzuki although > neither is as good as a well set up bike with cartridge forks. (It also > has the advantage of being able to be lowered further still with a factory > kit if the stock bike is still too tall.) > The disadvantage of the Suzuki is that the tank is relatively small, 3.5 gal > lons I believe, and the seat is not much for extended rides. a larger > plastic tank is available from IMS, (5 gallons) and I am sure you could > either get a Corbin seat or have the stocker reconfigured. Suzuki also > sells a gel seat although it is the same general shape as stock which I > would have my doubts about the benefits of. (BTW, changing seats on a KLR > is a common thing, many find they can't live with the stock seat on them). > It all comes down to preferences and you may find that the vibration of > theKLR isn't that big a deal to you, many say so or try to find various > cures. For me I felt that the general feel of the DR and smoothness was > much preferable. I would far rather change a gas tank and seat than try to > overcome basic engineering flaws. Curiously I also found the Suzuki just > generally more fun to ride. I find it has a more lively feel to the engine, > much easier to wheelie and feels quite a bit faster than the KLR. I doubt > if it really is that much, if any faster, but it just feels like it. > Either bike has its pros and cons. I suggest you actually ride both > before forming any decision unless your heart is just set on the KLR. If so > buy it and have a ball. If not give them both a try and I think you will be > surprised how different their personalities are.

InWoods13@aol.com
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nklr: klr650 greater than the sum of it's parts

Post by InWoods13@aol.com » Sun Jun 03, 2001 8:13 pm

Ditto that Dan. Both DS, and both very different. Comes down to right tool for job & all that. Ride both...one (or both in Dan's case) will make you a very happy man. In a message dated 6/3/01 7:23:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bierdo@... writes: > Hi; > Read your post with great interest. Having owned both a 96 KLR650 and a 99 > DR650 I thought you might be interested in a different perspective. > I wanted a KLR for a long time. I saw it as a lightweight adventure > tourer and imagined using it primarily for long day tours of Mt. Hood and > the Oregon Coastal range. In a way it was many of those things. The fuel > range is good, the seating position and the seat are relatively
comfortable,
> the mini-fairing does a so so job of breaking up wind. Unfortunately for
me
> I found that the vibration was hand numbing and I did not care for the top > heavy tippy feeling of the bike on dirt road excursions. I never felt like > I had full control of it. I stand at 6' and have a 32" inseam. A taller > person might easily have felt more in control of the bike and not worried > about it. I would not have wanted to ride it on anything rougher than a > graded dirt road myself although I know many people do. > Enter the DR650. The salesman told you some half-truths. Suzuki did a > redesign of the bike in 1996, lightened it, some engine improvements such
as
> a composite material in the cylinder liner for durability improvement and a > generally more dirt focused mission than the KLR. Most of the magazines
who
> tested them called it a 50/50 bike, meaning 50 per cent road and 50 per
cent
> dirt. The KLR is often characterized as more 70/30 with a street bias. >>