on the road-cooling problems

[zootpatutie]

Yes, but.... I've already saved my radiator once with Tim's radiator guards and hiway pegs. Like the security of the rear master cylinder guard and lifetime oil and air filters. Enjoy the performance improvement of the jetting, and the better feel of braking sensitivity with the s/s brake lines. Bash plate and progressive front springs were for me a no brainer considering the terrain and distance from home I like to find myself. To each his own. YMMV Todd A9

> You are very funny people who changes parts on bike just because others > do...stock bleeder work fine and we need to bleed brake maybe 1 or 2 times > in a life of the bike...it is like the supposed weakness of front

brakes...i

> make front tire slide with 2 fingers on brake lever... so why change brake > line and \or pads it will not make tire more stick on asphalt...i'll stop > here but there are many others examples... > > I suppose the low cost of the bike leave too much money then some people

had

> to spend it on some gogosses >

[Cloyce D. Spradling]

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 08:18:15PM -0400, Pierre Fortier wrote: : As long as you don't let air enter the system you don't have to bleed...i : hope you don't mean you change your brake fluid every year lol Ackshooly, I do. Laff if you want, I don't screw around with brakes. With the exception of certain rare circumstances (oncoming train, etc), I think being able to stop is WAY more important than being able to go. : > What do you consider a normal "life of a bike" : 10 years average... Rest in peace! -- Cloyce

[k650dsn@aol.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Cloyce D. Spradling" wrote:

> On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 08:18:15PM -0400, Pierre Fortier wrote: > > : As long as you don't let air enter the system you don't have to

bleed...i

> : hope you don't mean you change your brake fluid every year lol > > Ackshooly, I do. Laff if you want, I don't screw around with

brakes. With

> the exception of certain rare circumstances (oncoming train, etc), I

think

> being able to stop is WAY more important than being able to go.

I change brake fluid every year or at least every two. It's so easy on the klr it's almost like changing oil and a helluva lot easier than adjusting valves. The KLR front brake almost bleeds it self with the cap off the reservoir and the bleeder open. I just bought a Mightvac and used it on my Magna. Took all of 10 minutes to swap out the fluid. You'll need to use teflon tape on the bleeder valve if you use a vaccuum type tool. Gino

[Kurt Simpson]

cap off the reservoir and the bleeder open. I just bought a Mightvac and used it on my Magna. Took all of 10 minutes to swap out the fluid. You'll need to use teflon tape on the bleeder valve if you use a vaccuum type tool. Gino ______________ The Mightyvac is a terrific tool for bleeding brakes...I just used it on the Connie to change the clutch and brake fluids...as you say, 10 minutes, no problems... Kurt

[Pierre Fortier]

Unlike oil in engine, brake fluid is in a closed system and its property does'nt change along years...unless you open reservoir but you don't have to if there is no leak in the system... Don't forget to change air in tires

----- Original Message ----- From: "Cloyce D. Spradling" To: "Pierre Fortier" Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Bleeding Front Brake > On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 08:18:15PM -0400, Pierre Fortier wrote: > > : As long as you don't let air enter the system you don't have to bleed...i > : hope you don't mean you change your brake fluid every year lol > > Ackshooly, I do. Laff if you want, I don't screw around with brakes. With > the exception of certain rare circumstances (oncoming train, etc), I think > being able to stop is WAY more important than being able to go. > > : > What do you consider a normal "life of a bike" > > : 10 years average... > > Rest in peace! > > -- > Cloyce > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[ED]

Oh contraire, mon fraire, or something like that. The brake fluid will get "contaminated" over time even if you never open the system. Physical wear of the hard parts will introduce contaminants, condensation from the minute amount of air that may be in the system could do it. And will the brake fluid break down on its own over time? Not sure, but I would suspect it would, even if only slowly. If you're suggesting that if you never open the brake lines, you never have to change the fluid, I would say you are incorrect my friend. Not an expert, but I have seen some nasty brake fluid in the past, whether the systems were ever opened by the time I saw, I can't say. Ed- I really don't want to change my brake fluid cause I don't have one of those brake fluid changing do hickeys -Boyd

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Pierre Fortier" wrote: > Unlike oil in engine, brake fluid is in a closed system and its property > does'nt change along years...unless you open reservoir but you don't have to > if there is no leak in the system... > > Don't forget to change air in tires > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cloyce D. Spradling" > To: "Pierre Fortier" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:10 AM > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Bleeding Front Brake > > > > On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 08:18:15PM -0400, Pierre Fortier wrote: > > > > : As long as you don't let air enter the system you don't have to > bleed...i > > : hope you don't mean you change your brake fluid every year lol > > > > Ackshooly, I do. Laff if you want, I don't screw around with brakes. > With > > the exception of certain rare circumstances (oncoming train, etc), I think > > being able to stop is WAY more important than being able to go. > > > > : > What do you consider a normal "life of a bike" > > > > : 10 years average... > > > > Rest in peace! > > > > -- > > Cloyce > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > > Post message: DSN_klr650@y... > > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@y... > > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@y... > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@y... > > > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

[Pierre Fortier]

Au contraire mon fr re

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed" To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:32 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Bleeding Front Brake > Oh contraire, mon fraire, or something like that. > > The brake fluid will get "contaminated" over time even if you never > open the system. Physical wear of the hard parts will introduce > contaminants, condensation from the minute amount of air that may be > in the system could do it. And will the brake fluid break down on its > own over time? Not sure, but I would suspect it would, even if only > slowly. > > If you're suggesting that if you never open the brake lines, you > never have to change the fluid, I would say you are incorrect my > friend. > > Not an expert, but I have seen some nasty brake fluid in the past, > whether the systems were ever opened by the time I saw, I can't say. > > Ed- I really don't want to change my brake fluid cause I don't have > one of those brake fluid changing do hickeys -Boyd > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Pierre Fortier" wrote: > > Unlike oil in engine, brake fluid is in a closed system and its > property > > does'nt change along years...unless you open reservoir but you > don't have to > > if there is no leak in the system... > > > > Don't forget to change air in tires > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cloyce D. Spradling" > > To: "Pierre Fortier" > > Cc: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:10 AM > > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Bleeding Front Brake > > > > > > > On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 08:18:15PM -0400, Pierre Fortier wrote: > > > > > > : As long as you don't let air enter the system you don't have to > > bleed...i > > > : hope you don't mean you change your brake fluid every year lol > > > > > > Ackshooly, I do. Laff if you want, I don't screw around with > brakes. > > With > > > the exception of certain rare circumstances (oncoming train, > etc), I think > > > being able to stop is WAY more important than being able to go. > > > > > > : > What do you consider a normal "life of a bike" > > > > > > : 10 years average... > > > > > > Rest in peace! > > > > > > -- > > > Cloyce > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > > > > Post message: DSN_klr650@y... > > > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@y... > > > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@y... > > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@y... > > > > > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > > > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[richardm@gowinnt.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Pierre Fortier" wrote:

>Unlike oil in engine, brake fluid is in a closed system and its >property does'nt change along years...unless you open reservoir but >you don't have to if there is no leak in the system...

That's what I thought until I bled the brakes in my old Neon. This system had NEVER been worked on - at all. The fluid looked like light tea and it had particulates in it. The pedal was a good bit more solid afterwards. Two years later, I did it again. The fluid didn't look quite as bad, but the pedal had gotten soft and the second bleeding fixed it again. My KLR is about four months old and the rear fluid looked like coffee and I once boiled it long before the OEM pads had faded out. Say what you will but I'm bleeeding mine regularly. RM PS. After 3 years and 36k miles, the original fluid in my Toyota looked brand new. Go figure.

[S2Mumford@aol.com]

Brake fluid does deteriorate with time, and needs to be changed. I think it is the heat that does it, but either way, it gets to looking like root beer after a while, and needs to be flushed. Down the toilet, of course I personally have done the braided lines bit, and replaced the fluid with the Valvoline Synthetic brake fluid as an added bonus. Mityvacs are real handy, but totally unneccesary IMHO for the KLR. For a more complex dual piston, dual disc setup they are a must though. As far as tires, don't they lose about 1 psi a month just sitting? The air in them is kind of self-changing then, n'est ce pas? CA Stu --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Ed" wrote: > Oh contraire, mon fraire, or something like that. > LE SNIP > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Pierre Fortier" wrote: > > Unlike oil in engine, brake fluid is in a closed system and its > property > > does'nt change along years...unless you open reservoir but you > don't have to > > if there is no leak in the system... > > > > Don't forget to change air in tires

[lahearn@houston.rr.com]

Oh my Pierre, as they said in Physics class: "In a vacuum..." you are correct. In the real world, you are a bit off base. Brake fluid is hydrosporic and sucks up moisture from everywhere it can. Also crud does work its way past the pistons as they do their jobs, both at the master cylinder and at the caliper. Third, the heat generated by the pads turns the brake fluid to eel snot over time. Some racers can toast the stuff in one enduro or hare scramble. My enduro race bike gets a rear fluid change with every set of pads. The front gets done in between sets of pads cuz the rears wear faster. Every time it comes out contaminated. MC systems should have the fluid replaced every 18-24 months minimum for casual street use and more often with offroad and competitive use.

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Ed" wrote: > Oh contraire, mon fraire, or something like that. > > The brake fluid will get "contaminated" over time even if you never > open the system. Physical wear of the hard parts will introduce > contaminants, condensation from the minute amount of air that may be > in the system could do it. And will the brake fluid break down on its > own over time? Not sure, but I would suspect it would, even if only > slowly. > > If you're suggesting that if you never open the brake lines, you > never have to change the fluid, I would say you are incorrect my > friend. > > Not an expert, but I have seen some nasty brake fluid in the past, > whether the systems were ever opened by the time I saw, I can't say. > > Ed- I really don't want to change my brake fluid cause I don't have > one of those brake fluid changing do hickeys -Boyd > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Pierre Fortier" wrote: > > Unlike oil in engine, brake fluid is in a closed system and its > property > > does'nt change along years...unless you open reservoir but you > don't have to > > if there is no leak in the system... > > > > Don't forget to change air in tires > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cloyce D. Spradling" > > To: "Pierre Fortier" > > Cc: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:10 AM > > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Bleeding Front Brake > > > > > > > On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 08:18:15PM -0400, Pierre Fortier wrote: > > > > > > : As long as you don't let air enter the system you don't have to > > bleed...i > > > : hope you don't mean you change your brake fluid every year lol > > > > > > Ackshooly, I do. Laff if you want, I don't screw around with > brakes. > > With > > > the exception of certain rare circumstances (oncoming train, > etc), I think > > > being able to stop is WAY more important than being able to go. > > > > > > : > What do you consider a normal "life of a bike" > > > > > > : 10 years average... > > > > > > Rest in peace! > > > > > > -- > > > Cloyce > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > > > > Post message: DSN_klr650@y... > > > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@y... > > > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@y... > > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@y... > > > > > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > > > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > >