nklr flamin' road rage!

[Tom Myers]

I hope folks aren't out there using loud horns to scare other drivers (satisfying as it may be). My brother was being one of those stupid drivers once, changing lanes often in heavy traffic, and someone tried that method. It's lucky he didn't roll the truck, as there definitely would have been fatalities, possibly including the braniac with the horn. There are times when "teaching other drivers a lesson" is a poor lesson in itself. Tom -- +---------------------------------------------+ | CycoActive Products | 701 34th Ave | Seattle, WA 98122 USA | | Design/Manufacture of Motorcycling Accessories | Products website: http://www.cycoactive.com/mc | e-mail: moto@... | tel (206) 323-2349 fax (206) 325-6016 | trail tips website: http://www.cycoactive.com/mc/trail_tips +---------------------------------------------+

[Mark Wilson]

Better them than me --- anytime !!!! I've been ran over twice by stupid people, and I'm in no hurry to be run over again. I am even thinking about getting a fog horn for my KLR. If somebody freaks out while they are changing lanes, and trying to run me over, then if they hurt themself, then they have nobody to blame but themselfs. I'm not going down for no cagers, unless I have to. MotorMark

----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Myers To: DSN_klr650@egroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] nklr - Loud horns saves lives > I hope folks aren't out there using loud horns to scare other drivers > (satisfying as it may be). > > My brother was being one of those stupid drivers once, changing lanes > often in heavy traffic, and someone tried that method. It's lucky he > didn't roll the truck, as there definitely would have been > fatalities, possibly including the braniac with the horn. > > There are times when "teaching other drivers a lesson" is a poor > lesson in itself. > > Tom

[Tom Myers]

Hi Jim, All true, but too often I hear of motorcyclists using their horn to teach other folks how to drive, when often they need a lesson themselves. Horns have saved lives in countless situations, many times my own. Horns are essential. But if I had time to decide which horn to use, I'd use that time to avoid the danger. If there was ** true danger**, I honestly don't know if I'd remember to use the BIG horn...... (just my own situation). I've seen motorcyclists (my own riding buddies!!) let themselves into silly situations so they can use the horn. They're in the 'blind spot" and **they know it**. That's the best way to catch a cager by surprise. Then when they talk about it (and they always do) it's as if some driver endangered their life. Sorry pal, I saw the whole thing, and I know they were either baiting the cager or not paying attention, in which case they're about equal at fault. I've been around motorcyclists long enough to know that this attitude is common, accepted, overlooked, and even congratulated. THIS is the situation I'm complaining about, not the genuine emergencies. There's enough rudeness out there as it is. The road rage thing is a sickness on society. I sure hear a lot of buzz from motorcyclists looking for an excuse to contribute. Tom (off soapbox, back to watching side-streets.....) ====================================

>The use of loud horns is (usually) successful in alerting >a car driver & stopping their actions immediately. I have >had them on my road bikes for over 30 years. Usually, the >driver is about to cut me off by entering the road from a >side street. I've lost count how many times their car jerks >to a halt & they look repeatedly from side to side, trying >to see who's bearing down on them. They don't even see me >going by them. I've also had cars try to occupy my lane on >the highway & they swerve back into their lane when I lean >on my horn. With all the road-rage incidents occurring, I >wouldn't even think of using my horn to teach someone a >lesson. BTW, I always keep my stock horn hooked up to a >secondary switch. I've heard that in parts of Europe, the >'shame' is on the driver who has to use his horn, because he >allowed himself to get into a bad situation. So be it, my >loud horns have saved my butt too many times over the years. > >Professor A9 Federal Way, Wa. [USA] > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >--- Tom Myers wrote: >> I hope folks aren't out there using loud horns to scare >> other drivers (satisfying as it may be). > [snip] >> There are times when "teaching other drivers a lesson" >> is a poor lesson in itself. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Make your old place like like new... Win A Guy! >http://click.egroups.com/1/6302/6/_/911801/_/962785764/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Visit the KLR650 archives at >http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 >Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... >Let's keep this list SPAM free! > >Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com

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[Mark Wilson]

> I've seen motorcyclists (my own riding buddies!!) let themselves into > silly situations so they can use the horn. They're in the 'blind > spot" and **they know it**.

I think I'd find some new ridding buddies. If you play with fire, you often get burned. And I'd hate to have to scrape one of my riding buddies off the road, because of something like that. How many horns do you have on your bike Tom? One horn, and a loud one, makes things much simpler. Get rid of the stock buzzer. I dont go out lookin for idiot cagers, they always find me. I live near Atlanta, so I dont have to go far. I've had that dual horn mod for several months, and that was the first time I've had to use it against an offending cager. It works! MotorMark

[Tom Myers]

> > I've seen motorcyclists (my own riding buddies!!) let themselves into >> silly situations so they can use the horn. They're in the 'blind >> spot" and **they know it**. > >I think I'd find some new ridding buddies. If you play with fire, you often >get burned.

Easier said than done. These are fun guys to hang around with even though their attitudes are sometimes embarrassing. I'm hoping they will examine their actions someday. Maybe some KLR lister will say "I heard about you on the list......" Tom -- +------------------------------------+ | CycoActive Products tel (206) 323-2349 | 701 34th Ave fax (206) 325-6016 | Seattle, WA 98122 USA | website: http://www.cycoactive.com | e-mail: TomMyers@... +------------------------------------+

[Jeffrey L. Walker]

> I don't know how you use your horn, and I am not saying anything relating

to

> you. While we are on the topic, one of my pet peeve is people using horn > unecessary.

One of my pet peeves is when people use their horn when they pull up to pick somebody up, instead of getting their lazy ass out of their cage and knocking on the door like any polite person would do. That just irritates me to no end. Jeff

[Rich Kickbush]

I don't know if its the same everywhere in Canada, but here in Vancouver, the white lines at side streets are at least 6-10 feet back from where they need to be, ie where you can see oncoming traffic. All of them are like this; and its not just when cars are parked on the street you are turning into that they are too far back. In Oz they put them where you actually have to stop - I don't get the point if you still have to crawl forward, to an indeterminate point to have any vision. Most cagers misjudge how far they are out, hence the honking and biker's fight or flight instinct running at full tilt as they approach these "crawlers", knowing full well that a cage that already has forward motion can take off a lot faster than one dead still. Sorry, crappy day brought out a pet civil design peeve of mine. Tell me its not like this everywhere... Rich Next week - white lines that aren't visible in the rain - in the Pacific Northwest? Stay tuned... PS How many of you glare at a driver who was about to pull a d*ckhead move, as you ride by? They all look down or away out of guilt- that's what kills me is they KNOW they were in the wrong, but too lazy to do the right thing. Enough. Sorry for the bandwidth. Benjamin Lee wrote:

> I don't know how you use your horn, and I am not saying anything relating to > you. While we are on the topic, one of my pet peeve is people using horn > unecessary. There are times when I edge forward on a side street to get a > better view of traffic just to have someone think I did not see them, and > they honk at me. Is a difficult judgment call to sense whether the other > person is going to go or whether he is just edging out. People need to be > more in tune with other people's body (vehicle) language to know when to use > a horn. Some people just assume you are going to dart out into the street, > and use the horn no matter what. They think they are being extra extra > extra safe. Irritating. Of course, the worst people are the spaced out or > nervous driver who cut into your lane. They deserve a loud horn to shock > them back to their senses. > > Ben > > From: "Jim Hyman" > > > >The use of loud horns is (usually) successful in alerting > >a car driver & stopping their actions immediately. I have > >had them on my road bikes for over 30 years. Usually, the > >driver is about to cut me off by entering the road from a > >side street. I've lost count how many times their car jerks > >to a halt & they look repeatedly from side to side, trying > >to see who's bearing down on them. They don't even see me > >going by them. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Who invented Gatorade -- and what part did it play in > winning the1967 Orange Bowl? Find out the true facts at > http://click.egroups.com/1/6212/6/_/911801/_/962835781/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com

[billmonahan]

I do, and add a shake of the head, too.  Only rarely do I do more, it's best not to get too upset while riding.

----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] richardk@... [b]Cc:[/b] DSN_klr650@egroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, July 05, 2000 6:51 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: nklr - Loud horns saves lives I don't know if its the same everywhere in Canada, but here in Vancouver, the white lines at side streets are at least 6-10 feet back from where they need to be, ie where you can see oncoming traffic.  All of them are like this; and its not just when cars are parked on the street you are turning into that they are too far back.   In Oz they put them where you actually have to stop - I don't get the point if you still have to crawl forward, to an indeterminate point to have any vision.  Most cagers misjudge how far they are out, hence the honking and biker's fight or flight instinct running at full tilt as they approach these "crawlers", knowing full well that a cage that already has forward motion can take off a lot faster than one dead still. Sorry, crappy day brought out a pet civil design peeve of mine.  Tell me its not like this everywhere... Rich Next week - white lines that aren't visible in the rain - in the Pacific Northwest? Stay tuned... PS How many of you glare at a driver who was about to pull a d*ckhead move, as you ride by?  They all look down or away out of guilt- that's what kills me is they KNOW they were in the wrong, but too lazy to do the right thing.  Enough. Sorry for the bandwidth. Benjamin Lee wrote: > I don't know how you use your horn, and I am not saying anything relating to > you.  While we are on the topic, one of my pet peeve is people using horn > unecessary.  There are times when I edge forward on a side street to get a > better view of traffic just to have someone think I did not see them, and > they honk at me.  Is a difficult judgment call to sense whether the other > person is going to go or whether he is just edging out.  People need to be > more in tune with other people's body (vehicle) language to know when to use > a horn.  Some people just assume you are going to dart out into the street, > and use the horn no matter what.  They think they are being extra extra > extra safe.  Irritating.  Of course, the worst people are the spaced out or > nervous driver who cut into your lane.  They deserve a loud horn to shock > them back to their senses. > > Ben > >    From: "Jim Hyman" > > > >The use of loud horns is (usually) successful in alerting > >a car driver & stopping their actions immediately.  I have > >had them on my road bikes for over 30 years.  Usually, the > >driver is about to cut me off by entering the road from a > >side street.  I've lost count how many times their car jerks > >to a halt & they look repeatedly from side to side, trying > >to see who's bearing down on them.  They don't even see me > >going by them. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Who invented Gatorade -- and what part did it play in > winning the1967 Orange Bowl? Find out the true facts at > http://click.egroups.com/1/6212/6/_/911801/_/962835781/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... Let's keep this list SPAM free! Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com

[john turner]

Go Pets On the fourth I was coming up on the left turn lane when I noticed the driver in the right lane starting to turn his wheel in my direction. I layed on the horn and got his attention but he continued to make a left hand turn from the right hand lane. I was going slow enough that I stopped short of hitting him. Then he waves at me. Following him it became obvious that he had had a few drinks too many. The  horn alerts but in this case had a kind of deer in the headlights effect. Could it be something similar to target fixation??? John Turner

[quote] -----Original Message----- [b]From:[/b] Benjamin Lee [mailto:benmlee@...] [b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, July 05, 2000 6:23 PM [b]To:[/b] DSN_klr650@egroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_klr650] Re: nklr - Loud horns saves lives I don't know how you use your horn, and I am not saying anything relating to you.  While we are on the topic, one of my pet peeve is people using horn unecessary.  There are times when I edge forward on a side street to get a better view of traffic just to have someone think I did not see them, and they honk at me.  Is a difficult judgment call to sense whether the other person is going to go or whether he is just edging out.  People need to be more in tune with other people's body (vehicle) language to know when to use a horn.  Some people just assume you are going to dart out into the street, and use the horn no matter what.  They think they are being extra extra extra safe.  Irritating.  Of course, the worst people are the spaced out or nervous driver who cut into your lane.  They deserve a loud horn to shock them back to their senses. Ben >    From: "Jim Hyman" > >The use of loud horns is (usually) successful in alerting >a car driver & stopping their actions immediately.  I have >had them on my road bikes for over 30 years.  Usually, the >driver is about to cut me off by entering the road from a >side street.  I've lost count how many times their car jerks >to a halt & they look repeatedly from side to side, trying >to see who's bearing down on them.  They don't even see me >going by them. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... Let's keep this list SPAM free! Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com

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[Robert T. Heywood]

To me, the horn is the LAST thing I care about in an evasive situation. John Turner wrote:

 On the fourth I was coming up on the left turn lane when I noticed the driver in the right lane starting to turn his wheel in my direction. I layed on the horn and got his attention but he continued to make a left hand turn from the right hand lane. I was going slow enough that I stopped short of hitting him. Then he waves at me. Following him it became obvious that he had had a few drinks too many. The  horn alerts but in this case had a kind of deer in the headlights effect. Could it be something similar to target fixation???John Turner [quote] -----Original Message----- [b]From:[/b] Benjamin Lee [benmlee@...] [b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, July 05, 2000 6:23 PM [b]To:[/b] DSN_klr650@egroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_klr650] Re: nklr - Loud horns saves lives   I don't know how you use your horn, and I am not saying anything relating to you.  While we are on the topic, one of my pet peeve is people using horn unecessary.  There are times when I edge forward on a side street to get a better view of traffic just to have someone think I did not see them, and they honk at me.  Is a difficult judgment call to sense whether the other person is going to go or whether he is just edging out.  People need to be more in tune with other people's body (vehicle) language to know when to use a horn.  Some people just assume you are going to dart out into the street, and use the horn no matter what.  They think they are being extra extra extra safe.  Irritating.  Of course, the worst people are the spaced out or nervous driver who cut into your lane.  They deserve a loud horn to shock them back to their senses.

Ben >    From: "Jim Hyman" > >The use of loud horns is (usually) successful in alerting >a car driver & stopping their actions immediately.  I have >had them on my road bikes for over 30 years.  Usually, the >driver is about to cut me off by entering the road from a >side street.  I've lost count how many times their car jerks >to a halt & they look repeatedly from side to side, trying >to see who's bearing down on them.  They don't even see me >going by them. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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