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Mark Wilson

[dsn_klr650] 2-up riding (nklr)

Post by Mark Wilson » Tue Jun 27, 2000 12:25 pm

> Knot - just an ol' fart > > ps (Tim, this is in no way meant to be a slam or disrespect your riding > abilities, just ol' Knot's way of making a point - Ride Safe and when you
are
> ready give her a controlled thrill and do it again and again and......Love
is
> Patient.....)
I doubt she will run home and ask her daddy anyway. Just start out slow, and be careful. Most of all, have fun. And use protection!!! Mark Wilson http://www.geocities.com/motormark64/ http://www.angelfire.com/mo/motormark/ KLR-650 A-13 "warthogg" XR250R "superfly" Stone Mountain, Ga ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Kurt Simpson
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[dsn_klr650] 2-up riding (nklr)

Post by Kurt Simpson » Tue Jun 27, 2000 1:03 pm

> Thanks for the great suggestions, Kurt. I guess I forgot to mention that > my girlfriend used to race motocross (when she was just a wee thing), and > has spent many hours behind her dad on a motorcycle. The only one > inexperienced here is me!
no problem...give the keys to her and enjoy the ride...apply all my advice to yourself (g)... Kurt (am I the only one who lets my wife drive me as passenger?)

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[dsn_klr650] 2-up riding (nklr)

Post by PRBKLR@cs.com » Tue Jun 27, 2000 2:13 pm

My wife and I ride 2-up frequently. The best thing I did was to install the Progressive fork springs! What a huge difference when it came to stopping! No more front end dive and much more control. The most we've done is about 200 miles in one day. The passenger pegs on the KLR tend to vibrate and make the passengers feet go numb on long rides. I also take my 8 yr old daughter for rides. She is far better than my wife as a passenger. She always moves with me and stays very still, with the exception of giggling when I accelerate! And she loves leaning into corners. My wife hates it when I lean into turns, in fact she's nearly caused us to go off the road because she would not lean with me. I had to stop the bike and "calmly" and clearly explain that it's a lot safer to work with me than against me..."what are you doing, trying to get us killed???"!! She has subsequently gotten more comfortable with it. Also, if you can reach the ground easily, that's a plus. When you stop solo, it can be a bugger to hold the KLR up, add another person and the extra weight makes it that much more difficult, especially if they are moving their body around. They can literally take you done by shifting their weight while going slow or even at a stop. Have fun! You will feel more comfortable after you have more solo experience! Just like sex! Paul A13 klr650@... wrote:
> Keep the front wheel firmly planted on the ground!

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[dsn_klr650] 2-up riding (nklr)

Post by Dash Weeks » Tue Jun 27, 2000 3:11 pm

> >Hey Ron, I caint go for this at all. Aint no way, no how, my daughter is >going to get on the back of no bike with a rider with limited experience (if >I can help it that is). Think back, would you let your daughter be your >first passenger? A motorcycle is not a jet ski. When you fall off, you hit >hard objects. The object causing the sudden stop or gravity usually wins. >Best when it happens solo. So, now you know, "ol' Knot is a real stick in >the mud". > >Wonder what Sarah's take on this is, I mean, would she be a willing >passenger? Hello, Sarah...... > >Knot - just an ol' fart > >ps (Tim, this is in no way meant to be a slam or disrespect your riding >abilities, just ol' Knot's way of making a point - Ride Safe and when you are >ready give her a controlled thrill and do it again and again and......Love is >Patient.....)
I think that 2-up riding can be mastered just as fast as 1-up riding. Meaning you are really never a master. Sure there are those folks that are World Champs at this and that. They can ride a Goldwing on the white rim etc. They are the fastest roadracer in the World, they are Holywood's best stunt men.... The point is, 2-up riding takes a different toolbox of skills to avoid becoming a casualty. Who better to practice 2-up riding with than the people you love the most (daughter, Girl-Friend, Wife)? I would be 10 times more alert and cautious to my surroundings. But if you don't practice how will you get better? The thrill in 2-up riding, isn't the easy wheelies, the casual banked turns at high speeds or the high speed races with your 1-up buddy. The thrill is enjoying time with a loved-one doing what you love (at least one of you, anyway). I learned 2-up riding very early in my m/c experience and I can say that it has made me a better rider. Now I usually ride as if there was another life on my rear pegs, counting on me not to do something stupid and counting on me to effectively read the other drivers on the road. I used to try to impress the lasses with my stupid antics, but the truth is, they get a thrill just being on a bike without having to do wheelies or going fast. In the dirt, 1-up ... well all bets are off. All I have to think about then is "do I have enough disability coverage to allow my family to survive while I'm regretting my stupidity from my wheel chair". Well not really... I'm usually thinking "can't this pig go faster", "boy that's a big hill, I need to be at the top, NOW", "G those guys pulling triples are crazy, but these doubles are getting much easier", "bet this thing is too heavy for a table top, HHHMMM lets see.... WWWEEEEEEEEE!" I'm with Knot... My Daughter will not be riding on the back of another High Schooler's M/C, She'll have her own! And I guarantee she'll be able to outride most of the boys her age. You can't effectively learn a language without speaking that language day to day or being completely immersed in the culture. The culture at my house is that, the rubber side stays down, and ride like they are gonna kill you. My kids will prolly pick up m/c riding/racing pretty fast. A sheltered child will almost always leave the shelter at the absolute worst possible point in time or in the worst situation, so I don't intend on sheltering them from the things that could potentially cause them harm.... Education and Exposure to situations does help prevent mishaps. Do I love my kids any less than anyone else, do I want harm to come to them.... HELLL NOOO!! I would be devastated if something happened, but I'd be even more pissed at my self if it happened and I consciously sheltered them from it. So the question still remains, how do you learn 2-up riding when all of us Dad's are keeping all of our daughters off the back of bikes? Simple, take your Mom out for a cruise, take your Dad out for a jaunt, take you sister to the mall. Learn and practice with someone you aren't trying to thrill. I used to hate taking my sister places on my bike in HS, I didn't care for her much and her friends were worse, except for this one girl.... well anyway.... If you are older, on your own, you have your first bike cause your parents said they were too dangerous, well good for you, congratulations and welcome. Go find a friend to practice casual braking, slalom, emergency braking, figure 8's, starts and stops and accelerating in an empty parking lot. Don't be afraid of your bike or your ability as they will get better, however, be very afraid of the others on the road cause they will only get worse. LaterZ Dash

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[dsn_klr650] 2-up riding (nklr)

Post by Rob MacLeod » Tue Jun 27, 2000 3:18 pm

"Tim ps- If you take Knot's PS from above out of context, you've got words to live by! Combine that with the Reverend's and Arne's comments, and there's a serious trend forming here.... Riding 2-up = some sort of sexual substitute?" Not a sexual substitute, but if you love your passenger, it's really great when they squeeze tight to hold on. "You will soon know, Grasshopper, the ways of girlfriend passenger." Rob (forgive the KungFu allusion, I'm a little tired today)

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[dsn_klr650] 2-up riding (nklr)

Post by Zachariah Mully » Tue Jun 27, 2000 3:44 pm

I have been following the 2-up thread pretty closely and all have offered good advice for riding, but my question is this... What is good advice for when something bad happens? Are there any common situations that you would go through with your passenger to make sure that they know what to do in case of an accident? I have always advised that whatever happens they should stay tight to me, so in that light, I make sure that they are holding on to me around my waist at all times. I figure that in a crash our combined body mass might be of advantage (I guess until someone lands on the other), especially as it would allow the driver better control of the bike and the passenger. I always think of what would have happened if I had had a passenger when I had to lay my bike down. It had just rained and coming around a corner on a country highway, I ran smack dab into the back of a car stopped in the middle of the road. I tried to brake but the bike just slid (no ABS on my R65) towards the car... When I realized that I was going to hit regardless of what I did, I layed the bike down on its left side, let the cynlinder head scrub off some of the speed, then let go. I was uninjured but pissed as hell, and my bike was no worse for wear other than a broken fairing and headlight. Now with a passenger, I think they probably would have fallen off the bike while it was still going pretty fast (45mph, down to ~25 mph once I laid it down) and probably ended up with some kind of head trauma. I know that there is not a MSF course for passengers, but what would you all recommend to tell them in preparation for trouble? And how should the driver change how he handles the situation when with a passenger? Just food for thought... But something that bothers me everytime I take my girlfriend out for a ride. Zack

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[dsn_klr650] 2-up riding (nklr)

Post by Jeffrey L. Walker » Tue Jun 27, 2000 4:44 pm

> > ps- If you take Knot's PS from above out of context, you've got words to > live by! Combine that with the Reverend's and Arne's comments, and > there's a serious trend forming here.... Riding 2-up = some sort of > sexual substitute? >
I had a girlfriend once who when I gave here a ride, the faster I rode, the lower her hands would go! Very distracting, I eventually had to stop the bike. Safety first. Jeff

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[dsn_klr650] 2-up riding (nklr)

Post by PRBKLR@cs.com » Tue Jun 27, 2000 4:46 pm

No Kurt, I did ONE time! She actually did pretty good, but I also know she's not that experienced at riding so I was not sure how she would handle critical situations. It was just a quick jaunt around the block, away from traffic. Paul A13 "Kurt Simpson" wrote:
> > > Thanks for the great suggestions, Kurt. I guess I forgot to mention that > > my girlfriend used to race motocross (when she was just a wee thing), and > > has spent many hours behind her dad on a motorcycle. The only one > > inexperienced here is me! > > no problem...give the keys to her and enjoy the ride...apply all my advice > to yourself (g)... > > Kurt (am I the only one who lets my wife drive me as passenger?) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Click here for savings: beMANY! > http://click.egroups.com/1/4115/6/_/911801/_/962128994/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > >

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[dsn_klr650] 2-up riding (nklr)

Post by Rev. Chuck » Tue Jun 27, 2000 5:05 pm

Combine that with the Reverend's and Arne's comments, and
>there's a serious trend forming here.... Riding 2-up = some sort of >sexual substitute?
It's not? ;^) --- Rev. Chuck :^)>+ A13 http://klr650.50megs.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Send FREE Greetings for Father's Day--or any day! Click here: http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/redirects/fathers_day.rdct

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yamaha tt600r two wheel drive bike nklr

Post by k650dsn@aol.com » Tue Jun 27, 2000 10:36 pm

Those of you who get Motorcyclist be sure to check out page 31 and feast your eyes on the Yamaha TT600R two wheel drive rally bike. It uses a hydraulic pump to power a hydraulic motor in the in front wheel. It looks like an old tyme drum brake. Yamaha says that it can produce the front drive unit for less than it costs to produce ABS. This is gonna be good. Gino

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