[dsn_klr650] any suggestions for overpants? nklr

[Craig Highline]

I believe that it would be closed to motor vehicle traffic. It would be policed by whatever agency is responsible. i.e. BLM, Forest Service, etc. All of those agencies has their own law enforcement arms. Craig Highline A2

>>> "Shepard,Brian" 05/31 11:11 AM >>>

What are the legalities of this public land closure. I mean, do you get fined if you're on the land that has been closed? Is it just closed to vehicles, but not people? How does this work? If so, then do police/feds patrol it to make sure nobody is on the land? -Brian Shepard Philadelphia PA A13 which performed awesomely this past Memorial Day weekend. This bike ROCKS! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hot off the press- summer's here! School's out and it's sizzling hot. Whether you're planning a graduation party, a summer brunch, or simple birthday party, shop GreatEntertaining.com before your next celebration. http://click.egroups.com/1/4474/5/_/911801/_/959793122/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... Let's keep this list SPAM free! Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com

[Mark Wilson]

If they turn them into wilderness areas, even bicycles and horses will be banned!!! Mark Wilson http://www.angelfire.com/mo/motormark/usa.mc.politics.html

> I believe that it would be closed to motor vehicle traffic. It would be

policed by whatever agency is responsible. i.e. BLM, Forest Service, etc. All of those agencies has their own law enforcement arms.

> > Craig Highline > A2 > > >>> "Shepard,Brian" 05/31 11:11 AM >>> > What are the legalities of this public land closure. I mean, do you get > fined if you're on the land that has been closed? Is it just closed to > vehicles, but not people? How does this work? If so, then do police/feds > patrol it to make sure nobody is on the land? > > -Brian Shepard > Philadelphia PA > A13 which performed awesomely this past Memorial Day weekend. This bike > ROCKS!

[zootpatutie]

So far, horses are allowed in wilderness areas. Wheeled and motor vehicles not. Todd A9

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Wilson" To: DSN_KLR650@egroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Environment > If they turn them into wilderness areas, even bicycles and horses will be > banned!!! > > Mark Wilson > http://www.angelfire.com/mo/motormark/usa.mc.politics.html > > > > > I believe that it would be closed to motor vehicle traffic. It would be > policed by whatever agency is responsible. i.e. BLM, Forest Service, etc. > All of those agencies has their own law enforcement arms. > > > > Craig Highline > > A2 > > > > >>> "Shepard,Brian" 05/31 11:11 AM >>> > > What are the legalities of this public land closure. I mean, do you get > > fined if you're on the land that has been closed? Is it just closed to > > vehicles, but not people? How does this work? If so, then do police/feds > > patrol it to make sure nobody is on the land? > > > > -Brian Shepard > > Philadelphia PA > > A13 which performed awesomely this past Memorial Day weekend. This bike > > ROCKS! > > >

[Mark Wilson]

I dont think horses are allowed in most wilderness areas, check this out for more info - http://sharetrails.org/backc.html especially Part Two. Here is a quote from there -

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These groups deliberately downplay the fact that most forms of recreation are not allowed in Wilderness. Mountain bikes, not allowed! Motorcycles and ATV's not allowed! Snowmobiles not allowed! Even those forms of recreation that are allowed are severely restricted with Wilderness advocates attempting to kick outfitters and guides, horseback riders and even large groups of hikers (Boy Scouts and church groups for example) out of areas after they are designated Wilderness. ----- Original Message ----- From: zootpatutie To: DSN_KLR650@egroups.com>; Mark Wilson Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Environment > So far, horses are allowed in wilderness areas. Wheeled and motor vehicles > not. > Todd > A9

[Weaver, Mark]

probably patrolled by rangers. i know more about bicycles than motor vehicles, but most of the time rangers get you at trailheads, when you're exiting the (closed) trail. fines can vary. california state parks are pricey (over $100 for a bicycle-in-closed-area ticket). feds are a little more reasonable. i only got hit up for $50 in pt reyes. i think that bicycle restrictions (except maybe an alternating day policy in extremely heavily used areas) are completely unreasonable, and i don't hesitate to ride my bike anywhere i won't get caught, i partially do this because i believe bicycles cause no more wear and erosion that feet. i would be hesitant to ride my motorcycle on singletrack that was not open, just because singletrack in california usually needs to be maintained if motors are using it. fire roads and old logging roads are a completely different matter, however. the damage is done there, and i'm certainly not going to be able to make it any worse. mark weaver

> -----Original Message----- > From: Shepard,Brian [mailto:shepard@...] > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:12 AM > To: 'DSN_KLR650@egroups.com' > Subject: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Environment > > > What are the legalities of this public land closure. I mean, > do you get > fined if you're on the land that has been closed? Is it just closed to > vehicles, but not people? How does this work? If so, then do > police/feds > patrol it to make sure nobody is on the land? > > -Brian Shepard > Philadelphia PA > A13 which performed awesomely this past Memorial Day > weekend. This bike > ROCKS! > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > Hot off the press- summer's here! > School's out and it's sizzling hot. Whether you're planning a > graduation party, a summer brunch, or simple birthday party, > shop GreatEntertaining.com before your next celebration. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4474/5/_/911801/_/959793122/ > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > >

[Weaver, Mark]

actually, i'm pretty sure horses are ok in wilderness, just mechanical things are bad. god knows why, since they're one of the most destructive possible forces, as well as being non-native to this continent. it really irks me. i say end the enslavement. freedom for equine americans! free all the horses and let their owners get proper vehicles (2-wheeled ones). mw

> -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Wilson [mailto:motormark@...] > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:59 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Environment > > > If they turn them into wilderness areas, even bicycles and > horses will be > banned!!! > > Mark Wilson > http://www.angelfire.com/mo/motormark/usa.mc.politics.html > > > >

[Jeff Walker]

> What are the legalities of this public land closure. I mean, do you get > fined if you're on the land that has been closed? Is it just closed to > vehicles, but not people? How does this work? If so, then do police/feds > patrol it to make sure nobody is on the land? >

At best, a warning. More likely, a written citation with a monetary penalty. At worst, a charge of criminal trespassing. (trespassing on PUBLIC land???) What ever agency that is responsible for that land is responsible for patrolling it, and yes sometimes they do use vehicles in areas that are supposed to be closed to OHV traffic, and in CA it was found that such patrols caused more environmental damage than the original OHV traffic. Jeff

[Rob Heywood]

Horses do way more fucking damage!! zootpatutie wrote:

> So far, horses are allowed in wilderness areas. Wheeled and motor vehicles > not. > Todd > A9 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Wilson" > To: DSN_KLR650@egroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:59 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Environment > > > If they turn them into wilderness areas, even bicycles and horses will be > > banned!!! > > > > Mark Wilson > > http://www.angelfire.com/mo/motormark/usa.mc.politics.html > > > > > > > > > I believe that it would be closed to motor vehicle traffic. It would be > > policed by whatever agency is responsible. i.e. BLM, Forest Service, etc. > > All of those agencies has their own law enforcement arms. > > > > > > Craig Highline > > > A2 > > > > > > >>> "Shepard,Brian" 05/31 11:11 AM >>> > > > What are the legalities of this public land closure. I mean, do you get > > > fined if you're on the land that has been closed? Is it just closed to > > > vehicles, but not people? How does this work? If so, then do > police/feds > > > patrol it to make sure nobody is on the land? > > > > > > -Brian Shepard > > > Philadelphia PA > > > A13 which performed awesomely this past Memorial Day weekend. This bike > > > ROCKS! > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4634/5/_/911801/_/959867886/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com

[ephilride@aol.com]

rheywoo1@... writes:

> Horses do way more ...... damage!!

Yea, but - the Forest Service troops in the early years, all road horses. I think it is a heritage thing. Sure the horses chop up the dirt and poop on the trail. But I think the public lands are big large enough and resilient enough for ALL to play - even horses and motorbikes and loggers! Knot - who was taught to share

[tom stone]

No, wilderness areas and natural areas don't "necessarily" exclude horses. But the radical environmentalists being the incrementalists they are, here's how it works...it's as predictable as a Sun Dial: First, the USDA "Inventories" the trails. Second, they ban all "user created" trails. Third, they do an "environmental impact study". Fourth, they close trails. Step 3 and 4 are then repeated in successive Forest Plans. If your new to this and wonder how they achieve it, it's done through cash rich political action committees and harassing law suites.

>From: "Weaver, Mark" >To: Mark Wilson , DSN_KLR650@egroups.com >Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Environment >Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:54:36 -0700 > >actually, i'm pretty sure horses are ok in wilderness, just mechanical >things are bad. god knows why, since they're one of the most destructive >possible forces, as well as being non-native to this continent. it really >irks me. i say end the enslavement. freedom for equine americans! free all >the horses and let their owners get proper vehicles (2-wheeled ones). >mw > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Wilson [mailto:motormark@...] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:59 PM > > To: DSN_KLR650@egroups.com > > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Environment > > > > > > If they turn them into wilderness areas, even bicycles and > > horses will be > > banned!!! > > > > Mark Wilson > > http://www.angelfire.com/mo/motormark/usa.mc.politics.html > > > > > > > >

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