MG Car Club and the 'Kimber Palace' saga

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John James
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MG Car Club and the 'Kimber Palace' saga

Post by John James » Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:26 am

Terry, I was interested in your comments about "Safety Fast!" These are echoed by quite a few UK members and I'm trying to do something about it through the 'T' Register. Hopefully, you view "Totally T-Type", which is an MG Car Club 'T' Register publication in a far more favourable light. I should add that TTT is produced entirely on a voluntary basis and the modest subscription we levy for the 'hard' copy just about (with a small amount of advertising revenue) pays for the printing and distribution costs. We (the 'T' Register) get no help for it from the MG Car Club - not that we've asked for any - perhaps we should! Your comments about the proposed new MGCC Club Office strike a chord, both with me and with many 'T-Typers' who are members of the MG Car Club. We refer to the project as 'Kimber Palace' and I can assure you that there is a lively debate about this - you have probably read about it in TTT. You may know that the MG Car Club has refused to print any letters which are critical of the scheme in "Safety Fast!" and there has been a virtual information blackout for well over a year. To overcome this, Victor Smith of the V8 Register has set up an independent website www.newcluboffice.net and I recommend TABC listers to take a look at it, and, if you feel strongly, to post something on the Bulletin Board. I am copying this e-mail to Victor Smith for his information. Yours Octagonally, JOHN JAMES (TC0750) Editor "Totally T-Type" -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Sanders Sent: 02 August 2005 05:37 To: Terry & Lynda-May O'Brien Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: Moss Superchargers I have tried to talk some sense to Harry but he won't listen....folks on the board have to do it. I think the Bulletin is worth the dues but don't know how long I can keep up all these club memberships now that I'm retired........The MGCC's "Safety Fast" is a complete waste except for the various Registers news......we need Paddy Wilmer back. What's happening with the Club's "new office flat" is a total scandal and should be stopped. Reminds me of when a certain member lead the MGCC off on an invasion of the US....that got nipped in the bud real fast. Terry in Oakland Terry & Lynda-May O'Brien hamptons1@shaw.ca> wrote: Octagon CC also included Canada in their no sell policy. Wrote a strong letter of complaint a year or so ago which was published in the Bulletin. Still no action. In North America the only real advantage to a fairly expensive membership is access to a good selection of spares. The Bulletin by itself is not worth it .Terry you are their NA west coast representative- shake someone up and tell them to find a new insurance agent or company that has some understanding of what is reality. Terry in Vancouver Terry Sanders wrote:
>This is not true. Moss USA just came out with a bolt on SC for the
Sprite/Midget....and will have xpag units available again soon.....only the Octagon CC refuse to sell to the USA because of some misguided advice they have received from their insurance company. Thats a pity.
>Terry in Oakland > >Joe Gates wrote: >Alan wrote >just buy from Moss UK and enquire about delivery to U.S. > >Viv wrote >Dunno where you guys get the idea that Moss superchargers have dried
up. I
>saw one displayed on their stand at Silverstone last week all ready to
bolt
>onto your XPAG. > >Joe replies >Methinks that strict public liability laws are to blame for
non-availability
>of this sort of add-on in the USA. > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >
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Terry Sanders
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Re: MG Car Club and the 'Kimber Palace' saga

Post by Terry Sanders » Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:09 am

Hi John, yes I read TTT faithfully and that is about the only place one can find out what is going on with "Kimber Palace". Its a shame to sully Kimber's name with the power grab that is taking place. I would like to know what Register(s) these folk belong to that are leading this effort. Is this the new crowd of MG F's and TF's owners who have no knowledge of MG History? Clearly the idots running MG Rover had no knowledge to name a new model "TF". Perhaps its time that some of the Registers pull out of the main club and form up a new one a la Octagon CC. Keep us informed as to the goings on. Terry in Oakland John James jj@octagon.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote: Terry, I was interested in your comments about "Safety Fast!" These are echoed by quite a few UK members and I'm trying to do something about it through the 'T' Register. Hopefully, you view "Totally T-Type", which is an MG Car Club 'T' Register publication in a far more favourable light. I should add that TTT is produced entirely on a voluntary basis and the modest subscription we levy for the 'hard' copy just about (with a small amount of advertising revenue) pays for the printing and distribution costs. We (the 'T' Register) get no help for it from the MG Car Club - not that we've asked for any - perhaps we should! Your comments about the proposed new MGCC Club Office strike a chord, both with me and with many 'T-Typers' who are members of the MG Car Club. We refer to the project as 'Kimber Palace' and I can assure you that there is a lively debate about this - you have probably read about it in TTT. You may know that the MG Car Club has refused to print any letters which are critical of the scheme in "Safety Fast!" and there has been a virtual information blackout for well over a year. To overcome this, Victor Smith of the V8 Register has set up an independent website www.newcluboffice.net and I recommend TABC listers to take a look at it, and, if you feel strongly, to post something on the Bulletin Board. I am copying this e-mail to Victor Smith for his information. Yours Octagonally, JOHN JAMES (TC0750) Editor "Totally T-Type" -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Sanders Sent: 02 August 2005 05:37 To: Terry & Lynda-May O'Brien Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: Moss Superchargers I have tried to talk some sense to Harry but he won't listen....folks on the board have to do it. I think the Bulletin is worth the dues but don't know how long I can keep up all these club memberships now that I'm retired........The MGCC's "Safety Fast" is a complete waste except for the various Registers news......we need Paddy Wilmer back. What's happening with the Club's "new office flat" is a total scandal and should be stopped. Reminds me of when a certain member lead the MGCC off on an invasion of the US....that got nipped in the bud real fast. Terry in Oakland Terry & Lynda-May O'Brien wrote: Octagon CC also included Canada in their no sell policy. Wrote a strong letter of complaint a year or so ago which was published in the Bulletin. Still no action. In North America the only real advantage to a fairly expensive membership is access to a good selection of spares. The Bulletin by itself is not worth it .Terry you are their NA west coast representative- shake someone up and tell them to find a new insurance agent or company that has some understanding of what is reality. Terry in Vancouver Terry Sanders wrote:
>This is not true. Moss USA just came out with a bolt on SC for the
Sprite/Midget....and will have xpag units available again soon.....only the Octagon CC refuse to sell to the USA because of some misguided advice they have received from their insurance company. Thats a pity.
>Terry in Oakland > >Joe Gates wrote: >Alan wrote >just buy from Moss UK and enquire about delivery to U.S. > >Viv wrote >Dunno where you guys get the idea that Moss superchargers have dried
up. I
>saw one displayed on their stand at Silverstone last week all ready to
bolt
>onto your XPAG. > >Joe replies >Methinks that strict public liability laws are to blame for
non-availability
>of this sort of add-on in the USA. > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >
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fnitz
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Re: MG Car Club and the 'Kimber Palace' saga

Post by fnitz » Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:08 am

Especially since Cecil Kimber would have done it inexpensively. My guess is that he would have despised any kind of ornate tribute. Fred TC1353 -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Sanders Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:09 AM To: John James Cc: 'mgtabc'; 'Victor Smith, V8 Register' Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] MG Car Club and the 'Kimber Palace' saga Hi John, yes I read TTT faithfully and that is about the only place one can find out what is going on with "Kimber Palace". Its a shame to sully Kimber's name with the power grab that is taking place. I would like to know what Register(s) these folk belong to that are leading this effort. Is this the new crowd of MG F's and TF's owners who have no knowledge of MG History? Clearly the idots running MG Rover had no knowledge to name a new model "TF". Perhaps its time that some of the Registers pull out of the main club and form up a new one a la Octagon CC. Keep us informed as to the goings on. Terry in Oakland John James jj@octagon.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote: Terry, I was interested in your comments about "Safety Fast!" These are echoed by quite a few UK members and I'm trying to do something about it through the 'T' Register. Hopefully, you view "Totally T-Type", which is an MG Car Club 'T' Register publication in a far more favourable light. I should add that TTT is produced entirely on a voluntary basis and the modest subscription we levy for the 'hard' copy just about (with a small amount of advertising revenue) pays for the printing and distribution costs. We (the 'T' Register) get no help for it from the MG Car Club - not that we've asked for any - perhaps we should! Your comments about the proposed new MGCC Club Office strike a chord, both with me and with many 'T-Typers' who are members of the MG Car Club. We refer to the project as 'Kimber Palace' and I can assure you that there is a lively debate about this - you have probably read about it in TTT. You may know that the MG Car Club has refused to print any letters which are critical of the scheme in "Safety Fast!" and there has been a virtual information blackout for well over a year. To overcome this, Victor Smith of the V8 Register has set up an independent website www.newcluboffice.net and I recommend TABC listers to take a look at it, and, if you feel strongly, to post something on the Bulletin Board. I am copying this e-mail to Victor Smith for his information. Yours Octagonally, JOHN JAMES (TC0750) Editor "Totally T-Type" -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Sanders Sent: 02 August 2005 05:37 To: Terry & Lynda-May O'Brien Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: Moss Superchargers I have tried to talk some sense to Harry but he won't listen....folks on the board have to do it. I think the Bulletin is worth the dues but don't know how long I can keep up all these club memberships now that I'm retired........The MGCC's "Safety Fast" is a complete waste except for the various Registers news......we need Paddy Wilmer back. What's happening with the Club's "new office flat" is a total scandal and should be stopped. Reminds me of when a certain member lead the MGCC off on an invasion of the US....that got nipped in the bud real fast. Terry in Oakland Terry & Lynda-May O'Brien wrote: Octagon CC also included Canada in their no sell policy. Wrote a strong letter of complaint a year or so ago which was published in the Bulletin. Still no action. In North America the only real advantage to a fairly expensive membership is access to a good selection of spares. The Bulletin by itself is not worth it .Terry you are their NA west coast representative- shake someone up and tell them to find a new insurance agent or company that has some understanding of what is reality. Terry in Vancouver Terry Sanders wrote:
>This is not true. Moss USA just came out with a bolt on SC for the
Sprite/Midget....and will have xpag units available again soon.....only the Octagon CC refuse to sell to the USA because of some misguided advice they have received from their insurance company. Thats a pity.
>Terry in Oakland > >Joe Gates wrote: >Alan wrote >just buy from Moss UK and enquire about delivery to U.S. > >Viv wrote >Dunno where you guys get the idea that Moss superchargers have dried
up. I
>saw one displayed on their stand at Silverstone last week all ready to
bolt
>onto your XPAG. > >Joe replies >Methinks that strict public liability laws are to blame for
non-availability
>of this sort of add-on in the USA. > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >
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John James
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Re: MG Car Club and the 'Kimber Palace' saga

Post by John James » Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:58 pm

Hello Terry, The lead is coming from the Club's Directors (some of whom come up for re-election in October). As you say, the membership has been kept completely in the dark over this issue, but details are going to be published in the September "Safety Fast!" and there will be a vote at the October Council meeting (which I will be attending, along with other Registers, Centres and Branches). Pulling out of the MG Car Club is not an option we want to contemplate - rather we should fight from within to secure the changes that are necessary. I'll keep you posted. Regards, JOHN -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Sanders Sent: 02 August 2005 18:09 To: John James Cc: 'mgtabc'; 'Victor Smith, V8 Register' Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] MG Car Club and the 'Kimber Palace' saga Hi John, yes I read TTT faithfully and that is about the only place one can find out what is going on with "Kimber Palace". Its a shame to sully Kimber's name with the power grab that is taking place. I would like to know what Register(s) these folk belong to that are leading this effort. Is this the new crowd of MG F's and TF's owners who have no knowledge of MG History? Clearly the idots running MG Rover had no knowledge to name a new model "TF". Perhaps its time that some of the Registers pull out of the main club and form up a new one a la Octagon CC. Keep us informed as to the goings on. Terry in Oakland John James jj@octagon.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote: Terry, I was interested in your comments about "Safety Fast!" These are echoed by quite a few UK members and I'm trying to do something about it through the 'T' Register. Hopefully, you view "Totally T-Type", which is an MG Car Club 'T' Register publication in a far more favourable light. I should add that TTT is produced entirely on a voluntary basis and the modest subscription we levy for the 'hard' copy just about (with a small amount of advertising revenue) pays for the printing and distribution costs. We (the 'T' Register) get no help for it from the MG Car Club - not that we've asked for any - perhaps we should! Your comments about the proposed new MGCC Club Office strike a chord, both with me and with many 'T-Typers' who are members of the MG Car Club. We refer to the project as 'Kimber Palace' and I can assure you that there is a lively debate about this - you have probably read about it in TTT. You may know that the MG Car Club has refused to print any letters which are critical of the scheme in "Safety Fast!" and there has been a virtual information blackout for well over a year. To overcome this, Victor Smith of the V8 Register has set up an independent website www.newcluboffice.net and I recommend TABC listers to take a look at it, and, if you feel strongly, to post something on the Bulletin Board. I am copying this e-mail to Victor Smith for his information. Yours Octagonally, JOHN JAMES (TC0750) Editor "Totally T-Type" -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Sanders Sent: 02 August 2005 05:37 To: Terry & Lynda-May O'Brien Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: Moss Superchargers I have tried to talk some sense to Harry but he won't listen....folks on the board have to do it. I think the Bulletin is worth the dues but don't know how long I can keep up all these club memberships now that I'm retired........The MGCC's "Safety Fast" is a complete waste except for the various Registers news......we need Paddy Wilmer back. What's happening with the Club's "new office flat" is a total scandal and should be stopped. Reminds me of when a certain member lead the MGCC off on an invasion of the US....that got nipped in the bud real fast. Terry in Oakland Terry & Lynda-May O'Brien wrote: Octagon CC also included Canada in their no sell policy. Wrote a strong letter of complaint a year or so ago which was published in the Bulletin. Still no action. In North America the only real advantage to a fairly expensive membership is access to a good selection of spares. The Bulletin by itself is not worth it .Terry you are their NA west coast representative- shake someone up and tell them to find a new insurance agent or company that has some understanding of what is reality. Terry in Vancouver Terry Sanders wrote:
>This is not true. Moss USA just came out with a bolt on SC for the
Sprite/Midget....and will have xpag units available again soon.....only the Octagon CC refuse to sell to the USA because of some misguided advice they have received from their insurance company. Thats a pity.
>Terry in Oakland > >Joe Gates wrote: >Alan wrote >just buy from Moss UK and enquire about delivery to U.S. > >Viv wrote >Dunno where you guys get the idea that Moss superchargers have dried
up. I
>saw one displayed on their stand at Silverstone last week all ready to
bolt
>onto your XPAG. > >Joe replies >Methinks that strict public liability laws are to blame for
non-availability
>of this sort of add-on in the USA. > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >
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