[dsn_klr650] very nklr - those damned car dealerships

[Tom Simpson]

Jim Cunningham wrote:

> > the smooth black rubber with cord showing through in places. The tread had > peeled off like a skin. I knew then that the sound I heard was the tread > coming off and hitting the frame. The tire was a 2 year old IRC GP-1 that > had lots of tread on it. Does anyone know how/why this happened.

It probably had something to do with that tire not being made worth a damn. Tread seperations are suslay due to manufacturing errors, from what I have seen. -Tom '96 KLR 650

[Ye Wilde Ryder]

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>The tire was a 2 year old IRC GP-1 that had lots of tread on it. >Does anyone know how/why this happened.

IRCs are relatively cheap tires. you get what you pay for. gears, ye wilde ryder -- wallace@... 99 zx-9r "blue bayou" 98 vtr-1000f "stormy" zwallace@... 86 cr-250 "dirt devil" 00 sv-650 "zipper" "& you were using your friends as a berm." -- RP 83 v65 magna "nasty" FoJ#002...AMA#456832...JHLO#002...COP#000...CCS#SW969...Support the RKBA

[Jim Cunningham]

Actually that could be what happened in my case. I had checked the pressure before I left on the trip, but this happened the next afternoon after some hard riding; perhaps the pressure was low. -----Original Message----- From: The Squasher [mailto:thesquasher@...] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 14:44 PM To: DSN_klr650@egroups.com Subject: [DSN_klr650] RE: YIKES There are 2 possible answers. 1)someone allready mentioned - poor quality control or manufacturing. 2) Low tire (air) pressure. A tire with low pressure will over heat and seperate the tread from the cord rapings. I have seen this on cars alot. It doesn't have to be a recap like the truck tire treads that you see laying in the road. A kinda funny story - A friend of mine who worked in a gas/service station that installed new tires would always talk about how dumb some people are for driving on a tire that was low on air. At least once a week he would have a tire in his shop that had seperated do to low pressure causing it to over heat. A steel belted tire look real nasty and you should see what the fender of the cars look like. Anyway, one day he was going on a weekend fishing/camping trip with his girlfriend and stopped at my work to pick up something. I noticed his front tire (big 4x4 35" x 12") was low and told him he should fill it up so it doesn't seperate like all those other tire stories he told me about. He said it would be OK. On Monday I saw his truck with new tires on front and one of the fenders looked like it was beat with a ballpeen hammer from the inside out. I asked him what happened did his tire sepperate. All he said was shut-up. His girlfriend told me he didn't fill the tire with air and it sepperated on him. Now when he talks about dumb people he can add himself to the list. Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:07:33 -0600 From: Jim Cunningham Subject: YIKES When I finally came to a stop and got off the bike I could hardly believe my eyes and a cold chill ran through me! About a foot to foot and a half of the tread on the rear tire was gone! Yes I mean gone; all that was left was the smooth black rubber with cord showing through in places. The tread had peeled off like a skin. I knew then that the sound I heard was the tread coming off and hitting the frame. The tire was a 2 year old IRC GP-1 that had lots of tread on it. Does anyone know how/why this happened. Jim Cunningham A2 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... Let's keep this list SPAM free! Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com

[Weaver, Mark]

what? IRC isn't a brand-name? they're only one of the largest tire mfrs on the planet. they make extremely high-quality bicycle tires. my gp110 went on easily, and was perfectly round and balanced out of the box. heck, they're not even cheap. they seem to be about the same price as bridgestone and pirelli. mw

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ye Wilde Ryder [mailto:wallace@...] > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:58 AM > To: dsn_klr650@egroups.com > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: YIKES > > > >>>The tire was a 2 year old IRC GP-1 that had lots of tread on it. > >>>Does anyone know how/why this happened. > >> > >>IRCs are relatively cheap tires. you get what you pay for. > > > >Come on now, that's not fair. When was the last time you heard a > >Kenda or a Maxxis or whatever else come apart like that? > > they have other problems, namely traction, or lack thereof. the > expression "rim protectors" was invented for cheap tires such > as these. > > >I certainly haven't on this list, and they are priced below the IRC. > > do what you wish, i'll stick with name-brand tires. call me > olde-fashioned, call me conservative, but your tires are the > only thing > standing between you & a serious crash; thus, i prefer mine to be > top-quality. dunlop, metzeler, michelin (for racing), & bridgestone. > > gears, > ye wilde ryder > -- > wallace@... 99 zx-9r "blue bayou" 98 > vtr-1000f "stormy" > zwallace@... 86 cr-250 "dirt devil" 00 sv-650 "zipper" > "& you were using your friends as a berm." -- RP 83 v65 magna "nasty" > FoJ#002...AMA#456832...JHLO#002...COP#000...CCS#SW969...Suppor > t the RKBA > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ Missing old school friends? Find them here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/8015/6/_/911801/_/965757481/ > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------|e>- > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > >

[Fred Hink]

[b]And If Honda and others didn't think they are good enough to put on new bikes they must not be too bad.  I have had Metzelers and other top name tires come apart too.  So just about any tire can have problems, not just the cheaper tires.  I believe problems with tires stems from how hot you get your tires.  Either underinflation, over loading or very high speeds can cause the tread to separate.  I am not saying that a cheaper tire is as good as a more expensive tire but you can have problems with just about any tire.[/b] [b][/b]  [b]Fred  (check out my Sturgis Cam on my web site.  See if you can spot Gino.)[/b] [b][/b] 

----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] markw@... [b]To:[/b] dsn_klr650@egroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:58 AM [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: YIKES what? IRC isn't a brand-name? they're only one of the largest tire mfrs on the planet. they make extremely high-quality bicycle tires. my gp110 went on easily, and was perfectly round and balanced out of the box. heck, they're not even cheap. they seem to be about the same price as bridgestone and pirelli. mw > -----Original Message----- > From: Ye Wilde Ryder [mailto:wallace@...] > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:58 AM > To: dsn_klr650@egroups.com > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: YIKES > > > >>>The tire was a 2 year old IRC GP-1 that had lots of tread on it. > >>>Does anyone know how/why this happened. > >> > >>IRCs are relatively cheap tires.  you get what you pay for. > > > >Come on now, that's not fair.  When was the last time you heard a > >Kenda or a Maxxis or whatever else come apart like that? > > they have other problems, namely traction, or lack thereof.  the > expression "rim protectors" was invented for cheap tires such > as these. > > >I certainly haven't on this list, and they are priced below the IRC. > > do what you wish, i'll stick with name-brand tires.  call me > olde-fashioned, call me conservative, but your tires are the > only thing > standing between you & a serious crash; thus, i prefer mine to be > top-quality.  dunlop, metzeler, michelin (for racing), & bridgestone. > > gears, > ye wilde ryder > -- > wallace@...      99 zx-9r "blue bayou"       98 > vtr-1000f "stormy" > zwallace@...     86 cr-250 "dirt devil"      00 sv-650 "zipper" > "& you were using your friends as a berm." -- RP  83 v65 magna "nasty" > FoJ#002...AMA#456832...JHLO#002...COP#000...CCS#SW969...Suppor > t the RKBA > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ Missing old school friends? Find them here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/8015/6/_/911801/_/965757481/ > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------|e>- > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... Let's keep this list SPAM free! Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com

[Ye Wilde Ryder]

>what? IRC isn't a brand-name?

only in the same way cheap shite^W^Wcheng shin tires are name-brand.

>they're only one of the largest tire mfrs on the planet.

bigger != better. GM is one of the largest cage manufacturers on the planet, too, but i certainly wouldn't own one of their pieces o' shite.

>they make extremely high-quality bicycle tires.

bicycle tires != motorcycle tires. 'nuf said.

>my gp110 went on easily, and was perfectly round and balanced out of >the box. heck, they're not even cheap. they seem to be about the same >price as bridgestone and pirelli.

i've run IRCs on streetbikes before. once. never again. gears, ye wilde ryder -- wallace@... 99 zx-9r "blue bayou" 98 vtr-1000f "stormy" zwallace@... 86 cr-250 "dirt devil" 00 sv-650 "zipper" "& you were using your friends as a berm." -- RP 83 v65 magna "nasty" FoJ#002...AMA#456832...JHLO#002...COP#000...CCS#SW969...Support the RKBA

[Ye Wilde Ryder]

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>The timing of this statement is ironic considering Firestone and >Bridgestone just recalled 20 million tires today.

20 million motorcycle tires? no kidding?

>You might want to check the tires on your cage.

what cage?

>Conall >carless

same here. gears, ye wilde ryder -- wallace@... 99 zx-9r "blue bayou" 98 vtr-1000f "stormy" zwallace@... 86 cr-250 "dirt devil" 00 sv-650 "zipper" "& you were using your friends as a berm." -- RP 83 v65 magna "nasty" FoJ#002...AMA#456832...JHLO#002...COP#000...CCS#SW969...Support the RKBA

[Conall O'Brien]

>From: "Ye Wilde Ryder" >To: dsn_klr650@egroups.com (KLR-650 List) >Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: YIKES >Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:58:02 -0700 (MST) > > >>>The tire was a 2 year old IRC GP-1 that had lots of tread on it. > >>>Does anyone know how/why this happened. > >> > >>IRCs are relatively cheap tires. you get what you pay for. >do what you wish, i'll stick with name-brand tires. call me >olde-fashioned, call me conservative, but your tires are the only thing >standing between you & a serious crash; thus, i prefer mine to be >top-quality. dunlop, metzeler, michelin (for racing), & bridgestone. > >gears, >ye wilde ryder >--

The timing of this statement is ironic considering Firestone and Bridgestone just recalled 20 million tires today. You might want to check the tires on your cage. Conall carless ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

[Tumu Rock]

On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 23:13:24 EDT, Karl Raupp wrote: That's what I'm thinking. Without a decent profit you cannot keep the doors open. He's gotta be gouging somewhere else to offset this or the business is a front to launder money or something. It just doesn't calculate. Karl >Pete >If he is actually selling at cost I'm sure he sells a ton of bikes but since he makes 0 per bike where is his profit? He needs to pay his help,utilities,rent, probably interest on a loan, etc. I suppose he must make it on service and accessories. > >Ed >Windsor Oh Maybe he's independently wealthy and just loves motorcycling so much he is spreading the wealth to his m/c brothers. ;^) dat brooklyn bum _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html