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[William Diehl III]

Here is the regulation, but I just don't understand what is considered "custom" I think the whole thing was written to prevent people from listening to headsets and blocking out sirens (which makes sense). Thanks for the replies. I guess I'll have to find these guys who pour plastic in my ear (fun fun) William 27400. No person operating any motor vehicle or bicycle shall wear any headset covering, or any earplugs in, both ears. The prohibition of this section does not apply to any of the following: (a) Persons operating authorized emergency vehicles, as defined in Section 165. (b) Any person engaged in the operation of either special construction equipment or equipment for use in the maintenance of any highway. (c) Any person engaged in the operation of refuse collection equipment who is wearing a safety headset or safety earplugs. (d) Any person wearing personal hearing protectors in the form of custom earplugs or molds that are designed to attenuate injurious noise levels. The custom plugs or molds shall be designed in a manner so as to not inhibit the wearer's ability to hear a siren or horn from an emergency vehicle or a horn from another motor vehicle. (e) Any person using a prosthetic device which aids the hard of hearing.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Conall O'Brien" To: Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] RE: Earplugs > > > > OK, I started the thread about custom ear plugs, so here is what I know. > The product and info you need is available by custom fitting to your ear. I > saw the product yesterday, info at > http://show.motorcycleshows.com/IMSBrandManager/V33/index.cvn. > You live in So. CAL, so go the show and you'll see the guys making them.I > didn't get their name or contact info, sorry. They mold them to your ear, so > it;s probably easier to do in person. They are trained ear doctors or > audioologists, whatever they call them. It maybe a dumb law, but don't let > some overzealous CA cop see you with earplugs. Just a rumour , I don't know > the exact regulation. > > Conall > > > >From: "William Diehl III" > >CC: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: [DSN_klr650] RE: Earplugs > >Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:12:06 -0800 > > > > > >I'm sorry, I'm new to the list and probably missed the whole thread, > >but... > > > >I live in CA and was doing some research on this, trying to figure out > >what the heck "custom fit" means. > > > >Are there any guidelines for this regulation? Anyone have any experience > >with the police or highway patrol on this? > > > >I've got boxes of those squish up kind, but if I have to buy something > >else, do I need a perscription or what? Can I buy them mailorder and still > >be leagal? > > > >William Diehl > >1999 KLR 650 (BLUE of course!) > >Riverside, CA > > > > > > > >On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Conall O'Brien wrote: > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "J. Sherlock" wrote: > > > > >The wind noise is ugly and decent plugs make all the difference. > > > > > > > I'd say that is about the best advice posted on this list, right > > > next to helmets and safety clothing. Too many DS riders go riding > > > without ear plugs. Heck, too many of all types of riders go out > > > without wearing ear plugs. Quick way to damage, then lose your > > > hearing. I use the harder units that are attached together with a > > > string made of some little wire plastic. > > > > > > Be aware ear plugs are illegal in some states, unless they are custom > > > fit. You can get custom fit earpluds at the cycle world motoshow, I > > > just got back from the show in San Mateo. If you come to CA. you'll > > > be arrested (danger to the public). Rolling stones are in town and > > > life is good. > > > > > > Conall-Talkin' about the midnite rambler... > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[Mark]

I been stopped by deputy sheriff and highway patrol and they never made a deal of it. So one day I asked a ex-cop friend that I work with. He said such statutes are referred to as "CSLFA" - Chick Shit Laws For Assholes. Niggling petty regulations that they hassle you for when they got nuthin else on you. I wear them any time I'm on the bike for more than 15min. And while it's never been a problem for me, I have heard there are some natzi cops that will cite you for that as well as tread depth on your tires or sound level. Usually such officers are referred to be their LEO brothers a FACs. Like the drug war, it's just about the money. Mark. --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "William Diehl III" wrote: > Here is the regulation, but I just don't understand what is considered > "custom" > I think the whole thing was written to prevent people from listening to > headsets and blocking out sirens (which makes sense). > > Thanks for the replies. I guess I'll have to find these guys who pour > plastic in my ear (fun fun) > > William > > 27400. No person operating any motor vehicle or bicycle shall wear any > headset covering, or any earplugs in, both ears. The prohibition of this > section does not apply to any of the following: > > (a) Persons operating authorized emergency vehicles, as defined in Section > 165. > > (b) Any person engaged in the operation of either special construction > equipment or equipment for use in the maintenance of any highway. > > (c) Any person engaged in the operation of refuse collection equipment who > is wearing a safety headset or safety earplugs. > > (d) Any person wearing personal hearing protectors in the form of custom > earplugs or molds that are designed to attenuate injurious noise levels. The > custom plugs or molds shall be designed in a manner so as to not inhibit the > wearer's ability to hear a siren or horn from an emergency vehicle or a horn > from another motor vehicle. > > (e) Any person using a prosthetic device which aids the hard of hearing. > >

[PRBKLR@cs.com]

Just a question out of curiosity... how exactly, provided you are the helmet wearing type, would any cop, including an overzealous CA cop, ever know you were wearing earplugs? Okay, maybe one of those half helmet jobbers, but who on this list wears one of those while ridding the KLR? This sounds like one of those laws that's even more difficult to enforce than say, banning cell phones while driving (as much as I hate being behind some moron driving 20mph under the speedlimit with a phone stuck to their ear)... or feloneous flicking of boogers out of your window at speeds over 18.5mph (could be a law somewhere, most likely somewhere here in TX). Paul A13 Frisco, Tx It maybe a dumb law, but don't let some overzealous CA cop see you with earplugs. Just a rumour , I don't know >the exact regulation.

> >Conall > >

[Arden Kysely]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., PRBKLR@c... wrote:

> Just a question out of curiosity... how exactly, provided you are

the helmet wearing type, would any cop, including an overzealous CA cop, ever know you were wearing earplugs? Okay, maybe one of those half helmet jobbers, but who on this list wears one of those while ridding the KLR?

> Paul > A13 > Frisco, Tx

Simple. They ask you to take your helmet off to see if you look like the guy on your driver's license. I've never had a problem with cops and ear plugs. __Arden

[Devon Jarvis]

Actually I've been advised by police/list members in the past to remove your helmet and sunglasses before the officer walks up to you. Besides looking like a human being making it easier for the officer to treat you like one, if the officer can see your face and read your expression, they're less likely to be nervous about your intentions. I usually pull out my ear plugs when I take my helmet off. A cop who will ticket you for earplugs isn't going to be giving you any breaks anyway. Devon Arden Kysely wrote:

> > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., PRBKLR@c... wrote: > > Just a question out of curiosity... how exactly, provided you are > the helmet wearing type, would any cop, including an overzealous CA > cop, ever know you were wearing earplugs? Okay, maybe one of those > half helmet jobbers, but who on this list wears one of those while > ridding the KLR? > > > Paul > > A13 > > Frisco, Tx > > Simple. They ask you to take your helmet off to see if you look like > the guy on your driver's license. I've never had a problem with cops > and ear plugs. > > __Arden

[trevor.walton@verizon.net]

At 11:12 AM 11/10/2002 -0800, you wrote:

>I'm sorry, I'm new to the list and probably missed the whole thread, >but... > >I live in CA and was doing some research on this, trying to figure out >what the heck "custom fit" means.

Hi William, I'm in nearby Redlands. There are quite a few other SoCal residents on this list as well. If you haven't already, you might want to wander over to the SoCalDualSport yahoo group/list. As for earplugs, custom fit earplugs are made from a mold of your ear canal, and are generally pretty expensive. Foamies are currently illegal in CA for use on motorycles. Another area motorcycle list I'm on is currently in the process of attempting to do something about that. Research is being done, people and organizations (state reps, AMA, etc.) are being contacted etc. There are quite a few smart and resourceful people volunteering their efforts to attempt to get this law changed, hopefully they'll be successful. In the meantime my hearing is too precious to risk because of a poorly written law. I got a box of 200 Howard Leight earplugs (I like the "max lite's", the green ones. NRR 30) for about $20 at an industrial safety supply shop in San Berdoo. I don't go any further than the grocery store without a pair. FWIW I've never failed to hear an approaching siren while on my motorcycle with earplugs in. Usually I hear them before they're even in sight, and always before any nearby motorist notices. So the whole rationale behind banning them is, imho, bollocks. -Trevor

[Arden Kysely]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., RM wrote:

> > On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Steve Pye wrote: > > >My wheel bearings are still good at 19,790 miles on my A11. If it

ain't

> >broke.....don't fix it!! > > 34k miles on stock bearings. I expect a wheel to fall off tomorrow.

My A1 went 40k miles on the stock bearings before I sold it. My A11 is at nearly 20k with no problems. I keep thinking I should change them. Maybe now that I have my new Sears lift, I will. __Arden