----- Original Message -----
From: Skip Kelsey
To: Harry Pyle ; David Edgar
; Bob and Carolyn Grunau
Cc: T-ABC's Forever
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: Phil Marino and crank seal
> Harry:
>
> I heartly concour with your assesment of the seal problem. When I received
> the seal information while in Australia a few years ago, I contacted Al
> Moss and the folks at Moss. I even sent them the information that the
> "Nitrile" rubber seal would not stand up to the rpms of the crank flange.
> They all ignored the warnings even with proof. So, why is it some people
> wont listen. I understand that they could not find a seal of the proper
> diameter, and so went with the only one available, be it wrong or not.
>
> Good on ya Harry:
>
>
> Skip Kelsey...................................
>
> At 01:00 PM 4/2/00 +0800, Harry Pyle wrote:
> >Hi everyone,
> >There is absolutely nothing wrong with running the rear seal on the
LARGER
> >diameter flange...as long as you use the correct material seal.. ie the
> >viton ones which are made for high surface speed/heat contact.
> >The original designer of the rear seal was Bob Schapel ,TC owner
> >'extraordinaire' from South Australia in approximately 1983. He always
used
> >a standard VOLVO crankshaft seal. I have had this set up in my TC since
> >1988..did Around Australia that year in 28 days..my only car for every
day
> >use..then drove it around the world in 7 months in 1993 (with new Volvo
> >seal)..still using it daily for work as it is my only licenced car..I
still
> >have a dry clutch and no oil drips from the 'split pin'.
> >Its interesting that immediately after my visit to California with the
TC,
> >and showing and explaining the rear seal modification (with sketches) and
> >also the Bob Schapel rear axle/wheel seal modification to anyone who was
> >interested..Al Moss, Phil Marino,Chris Nowland etc included there
appeared
> >on the market exact replicas almost immediately with never any credit to
the
> >original designer Bob Schapel.. Phils rear wheel kit was very well done ,
> >and so was the Moss crankshaft kit but they simply used the wrong
> >material/seal.
> >I have recently done a similar (1 off) conversion to a "hot' 1938 VA
engine
> >and am using a 5" diameter seal out of a truck crankshaft kit..its red
viton
> >material and made for the job. If the seal runs on a large diameter/hot
> >surface the material must be suitable as in factory crankshaft seals on
> >modern cars. The material is usually red or brown as opposed to the
standard
> >black seals.
> >Regards
> >Harry
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: David Edgar
> >To: Bob and Carolyn Grunau
> >Cc: T-ABC's Forever
> >Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 3:22 PM
> >Subject: [mg-tabc] Re: Phil Marino and crank seal
> >
> >
> >> Phil and Mike use the exact same seal and both have the crank welded up
> >> and ground where the slinger is (was). The difference is Mike had a
jig
> >> made up and if you ship him your bearing cap and the aluminum piece to
him
> >> he cuts them to accept the small block chevy seal. Nice set up. Mike
and
> >> Phil do not like the Moss set up as the the seal rubs on the larger
> >> diameter flange at a higher surface speed. Phil puts the seal on
exactly
> >> where Mike does but bolts the cap to the block along with the aluminum
> >> piece and machines it. Great if you are only doing one and you can get
> >> the block to the machine shop (or into your own garage when you have
your
> >> own milling machine like Phil). Ship the cap and aluminum piece to
Mike
> >> and get it back in a week. Take the crank to your local crank repair
to
> >> have welded and ground. Have the shop dial indicate the rear flange
when
> >> done and dress it up if out of true. The welding may distort the
flange
> >> slightly but dressing it true by taking a couple thou off solves the
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Bob and Carolyn Grunau wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Dave,
> >> > How does the Goodman seal differ ? Is it a Moss type?
> >> > I am going to rebuild my TC engine soon and was leaning toward the
Chevy
> >> > seal. But would like to know what else is out there.
> >> > Thanks for any info.
> >> > Regards from Canada, Bob Grunau
> >> >
> >> > ----------
> >> > > From: David Edgar
> >> > > To: Roger Furneaux
> >> > > Cc: T-ABCs
> >> > > Subject: [mg-tabc] Phil Marino
> >> > > Date: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 8:52 PM
> >> > >
> >> > > Just saw Phil Marino at the TC Motoring Guild meeting last night.
> >Still
> >> > > moving a little slow but very active in the mind. He was showing
off
> >his
> >> > > conversion to a small block chevy rear crank seal. Mike Goodman
was
> >> > there
> >> > > also with his conversion idea and the two of them went on and on
> >> > > about which was the best way to go. Both looked good by the way.
> >Phil
> >> > > still takes a cane with him but frequently forgets it when
venturing
> >away
> >> > > from his chair.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
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