I contacted Abingdon Spares which claimed to have the pointy acorn
bolts for the horn. I've ordered them and will report to you when I've
received them and had a look to see if they're really prewar type
bolts. As for an index of OCC's tech articles, my bulletins go back
only to January 97. BTW, I sent an email to John James, the editor,
griping about the lack of addresses/email addresses, etc., of writers
who either have problems or need assistance. He agreed and will bring
the matter to the board for resolution. This will help those of who do
not reside in the U.K. Cheers, Skip (TB 0304)
Altette Horns
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ALTETTE HORNS
Hi Listers
I have just checked Cliff Knight's references to Altette Horns in the MGOCC Bulletin. The article on pages 12-17 by Taff Isaac describes the differences to Altette Horns for the periods 1931-34, 1934-37, 1937-40, 1940-51 and 1951 onwards and the means of adjustment. Apparently the HF1234/1235 versions introduced in the mid 1940's had no rear adjustment facility.
There are some excellent diagrams which may be of interest. If anyone is interested then please contact me off-line and I'll scan the drawings and forward them. Taffs Issac provides an address which may no longer be correct as it was 16 years ago and he offered (then) a repair and exchange service.
I have just checked and he is still going and has a very detailed website:
www.taffthehorns.com
Hope this helps
Jerry Birkbeck
(with an incorrect Altette horn on my TA though it only cost 3 and picked up at an MG event at Stoneleigh several years ago. Though it only makes a croak!)
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To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 20 March, 2009, 9:03 PM
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Messages)
1a.
Re: Lucus Altette Horn
From:
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2a.
TB's are 70
From:
jeffrey townsend
2b.
Re: TB's are 70
From:
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3a.
New England T Register - slow response
From:
Posti@aol.com
3b.
Re: New England T Register - slow response
From:
Harry Ware
3c.
Re: New England T Register - slow response
From:
Mark Stolzenburg
3d.
Re: New England T Register - slow response
From:
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4a.
Spare Parts
From:
BUD SILVERS
4b.
Spare Parts
From:
BUD SILVERS
5a.
Re: Top pin header hole inserts
From:
John Seim
6.
Re: Cars for sale
From:
Austin R. Baer
7.
Fw: Good TV program at 8:00pm tonight on ESPN
From:
Mike Hughes
8a.
FW: [mg-tabc] Brake cups
From:
Harry Ware
9a.
Re: Fw: OUTRAGED!!
From:
MGLeckstein
9b.
Re: Fw: OUTRAGED!!
From:
Robert Brennan
10a.
Re: Mike Sherrell?
From:
Madhusudhanan Paroor
11.
Fw: Good TV program at 8:00pm tonight
From:
Mike Hughes
12.
Floorboard drawing
From:
SHERWOOD L PARKER
13.
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1a.
Re: Lucus Altette Horn
Posted by: "Frederic Nitz"
f.nitz@verizon.net
f.nitz
Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:50 am (PDT)
I have one somewhere. I ll see if I can find it. You need to use multiple gaskets to get it right, three I think. Outside of that, they are pretty simple to work on.
From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of cliffknight@ tiscali.co. uk
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:19 PM
To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [mg-tabc] Re: Lucus Altette Horn
Bill and all who have helped me with this one. Thanks fellows. Taff
the Horn is still a great source for spares.
I still haven't found a detailed overhaul procedure but I'm sure I
have seen one somewhere. I got it working a bit better today so will
wait for my new cover before stripping it down. It should be loud
enough to scare the donkeys out of the road for the time being.
I'll share what I find and if nothing better turns up I'll write a
procedure myself. Meanwhile if anyone has a March 1992 Bulletin
(Octagon Car Club) the index says there is something on the Altette
on
page 12, also an entry in June 93 page 9.
If anyone needs a full repair procedure for the SU pump I have one.
If I can get clearance for the illustrations I stole, I'll ask Walter
to put it on the site - meanwhile email me off list if you need it
now.
Best wishes
Cliff
handed.
course).
But now that my curiosity is piqued I will be sure to keep an eye out.
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TB's are 70
Posted by: "jeffrey townsend"
jeff.townsend@hotmail.co.uk
gftomlinson
Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:19 am (PDT)
Hi,
Are there any TB get togethers planned for this year to celebrate 70th anniversary of the TB here in the UK or elsewhere? It seems a shame to miss the opportunity. I wonder how many we could get together? From the number that seem to exist probably more than 379!
Regards,
Jeff Townsend Cambridgeshire TB0489
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Posted by: "Posti@aol.com"
Posti@aol.com
postihorse
Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:30 am (PDT)
I don't know about the TBers, but TC5308 turns 60 on April 22nd, and I am
planning party! (Guest of honor gets a tank of high test and an oil change).
Bob
In a message dated 3/20/2009 9:20:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jeff.townsend@ hotmail.co. uk writes:
Hi,
Are there any TB get togethers planned for this year to celebrate 70th
anniversary of the TB here in the UK or elsewhere? It seems a shame to miss the
opportunity. I wonder how many we could get together? From the number that seem
to exist probably more than 379!
Regards,
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Posted by: "Posti@aol.com"
Posti@aol.com
postihorse
Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:03 am (PDT)
I sent in my membership over a month ago to join the New England MG T
Register and have yet to receive any acknowledgement, though an email inquiry
Monday did get me a brief reply that my membership had been processed and I would
get a TSO mailed out soon. I used the enclosed membership number to log onto
the site, only to be blocked because the online access had to be approved.
It still hasn't been approved after 4 days. Makes it sorta hard to take
advantage of the benefits I paid $50 for. Is this typical response time for the
NEMGTR? It was highly recommended by a friend as a 'must', but so far I am
unimpressed with the club. By contrast, this group, which is free, has been
fantastic. Figures.
Bob Stein
TC5308
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Posted by: "Harry Ware"
harrywarejr@hotmail.com
Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:09 am (PDT)
HI BOB :
TONY THOMAS IS REGISTER FOR THE T-REGISTER HIS EMAIL IS
athomas990@aol. com EMAIL TONY : GREAT GUY.
HARRY-38TA
To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com
From: Posti@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:57:04 -0400
Subject: [mg-tabc] New England T Register - slow response
I sent in my membership over a month ago to join the New England MG T
Register and have yet to receive any acknowledgement, though an email inquiry
Monday did get me a brief reply that my membership had been processed and I would
get a TSO mailed out soon. I used the enclosed membership number to log onto
the site, only to be blocked because the online access had to be approved.
It still hasn't been approved after 4 days. Makes it sorta hard to take
advantage of the benefits I paid $50 for. Is this typical response time for the
NEMGTR? It was highly recommended by a friend as a 'must', but so far I am
unimpressed with the club. By contrast, this group, which is free, has been
fantastic. Figures.
Bob Stein
TC5308
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Posted by: "Mark Stolzenburg"
stolzy40@sbcglobal.net
stolzy4040
Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:31 am (PDT)
Bob, The NEMGTR is a great organization. They have a fantastic magazine
(Sacred Octagon) and hold outstanding GOF meets. Just remember they are all
volunteers so be patience. Its not like they are a commercial
organization.
Mark Stolzenburg
St. Louis, Missouri
TC 7812
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From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com]On Behalf Of
Posti@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:57 AM
To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [mg-tabc] New England T Register - slow response
I sent in my membership over a month ago to join the New England MG T
Register and have yet to receive any acknowledgement, though an email
inquiry
Monday did get me a brief reply that my membership had been processed and I
would
get a TSO mailed out soon. I used the enclosed membership number to log
onto
the site, only to be blocked because the online access had to be approved.
It still hasn't been approved after 4 days. Makes it sorta hard to take
advantage of the benefits I paid $50 for. Is this typical response time for
the
NEMGTR? It was highly recommended by a friend as a 'must', but so far I am
unimpressed with the club. By contrast, this group, which is free, has been
fantastic. Figures.
Bob Stein
TC5308
************ **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10
or
less. ( http://food. aol.com/frugal- feasts?ncid= emlcntusfood0000 0001
)
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Re: New England T Register - slow response
Posted by: "Posti@aol.com"
Posti@aol.com
postihorse
Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:38 am (PDT)
Hiya!
I understand the volunteer aspect better than most - I am Vice President and
Webmaster for my local AACA region, as well as another car club region.
However, I have membership in the Model A Ford Club of America, The Packard
Owners Club, the Studebaker Driver's Club, AACA, and at least a half-dozen other
groups and clubs related to the automobile hobby. NEMGTR is the most
expensive of all and the slowest by far to respond. However, I am also champing at
the bit with the TC and am probably not as patient as I should be. Guess I
need to relax, right?
Bob Stein
In a message dated 3/20/2009 11:21:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
stolzy40@sbcglobal. net writes:
Bob, The NEMGTR is a great organization. They have a fantastic magazine
(Sacred Octagon) and hold outstanding GOF meets. Just remember they are all
volunteers so be patience. Its not like they are a commercial organization.
Mark Stolzenburg
St. Louis, Missouri
TC 7812
-----Original Message-----
From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com]On Behalf Of
Posti@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:57 AM
To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [mg-tabc] New England T Register - slow response
I sent in my membership over a month ago to join the New England MG T
Register and have yet to receive any acknowledgement, though an email
inquiry
Monday did get me a brief reply that my membership had been processed and I
would
get a TSO mailed out soon. I used the enclosed membership number to log onto
the site, only to be blocked because the online access had to be approved.
It still hasn't been approved after 4 days. Makes it sorta hard to take
advantage of the benefits I paid $50 for. Is this typical response time for
the
NEMGTR? It was highly recommended by a friend as a 'must', but so far I am
unimpressed with the club. By contrast, this group, which is free, has been
fantastic. Figures.
Bob Stein
TC5308
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less. (_http://food. http://food. Bob,
>
> I think those are TD items, Moss should have a listing.
> Ben Cordsen
>
> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com
> From: Posti@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:53:13 -0400
> Subject: [mg-tabc] Top pin header hole inserts
>
> Greetings!
>
> About to tackle installation of TC5308's bonnet, and caught reference
> in one
> of the instruction sets to some header locator hole inserts that dress
> up
> the sockets and protect the top fabric. Anyone know where such animals
> can be
> had? No listing shows up anywhere I can find.
>
> Bob Stein
> TC5308
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Re: Cars for sale
Posted by: "Austin R. Baer"
lazybear@alum.mit.edu
austinrbaer
Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:58 am (PDT)
MG-TABCThis appeared is the Suncoast British Car Club Newsletter:
Cars for sale by owner who lost job, is heading "north" and MUST sell:
Jaguar MK II '67 3.8L 4 speed with overdrive.
MGA R.H.D. '58.
MG TD '52.
Owner is Mario: 941-928-9620
Austin TC 8362 EXU (Sarasota, FL)
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Fw: Good TV program at 8:00pm tonight on ESPN
Posted by: "Mike Hughes"
hughes.c.m@worldnet.att.net
ta_0512
Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:43 am (PDT)
Yahoo has blocked something I posted earlier today for some reason - perhaps
because it contained a web-link to a very interesting preview trailer for a
program airing on ESPN at 8:00 PM EST tonight about racing at Le Mans.
Try going to "truthin24.com" to see the trailer.
In the first moments of the video you will see some bits of footage from the
1960s, including a few seconds of footage, right about when the announcer is
saying "ultimate challenge," of a red MGB going off course.
- Mike Hughes - -
'37 TA 0512
Alexandria, Virginia
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FW: [mg-tabc] Brake cups
Posted by: "Harry Ware"
harrywarejr@hotmail.com
Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:37 am (PDT)
GOOD DAY :
I'VE USED SILICON IN ALL 7 OF MY MG'S IT'S GREAT, MY 61 MGA HAS A SOFTER
BRAKE PEDAL BUT ALL WORKS WELL, BE FOR SILICON I WAS REPLACING MASTER
CYLINDERS, WHEEL CYLINDERS ETC. I'VE USED SILICON FOR ABOUT 20 PLUS YEAR.
CHEERS :HARRY 38TA
To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com
From: websim@pacbell. net
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:31:31 -0700
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Brake cups
I've used silicon in two of my MGs for a long time (14 years on one and 8 years on the other) with no ill effects, and am at this very moment converting the TC to the same. The main reason I'm converting is so that it matches the other cars and allows me to stock just one type of fluid. The reason for running it in those cars is because I'm sick of leaky master cylinders eating away my paint, especially in my wife's MGA!
I'm using Moss rubber in the TC so hopefully I don't suffer the same fate as your friend. I wonder if something else contributed to the failure of the rubber. Modern rubber formulations should be compatible with any standard fluid, silicon or not!
If anyone else has encountered this problem please speak up!
- Steve Simmons
- TC8975, LA, CA
- http://www.mgnuts. com
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Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:22 PM
Subject: [mg-tabc] Brake cups
This ought to start a thread -
A list member rebuilt his brakes with new Lockheed rubber from Abingdon Spares. poured in the silicon fluid and started bleeding the brakes and found fluid pouring out of the front cylinders. Took them apart and found the cups "lumpy".
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Re: Fw: OUTRAGED!!
Posted by: "MGLeckstein"
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Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:45 am (PDT)
Please not here. This forum is about old English Cars, and an escape from
the world out there for a few minutes a day.
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One woman's opinion and one that I can identify with. She thinks and writes
like a PHD and hasn't become socialistic and politically correct like the
majority of Californians best epitomized by Madame Speaker Pelosi!
Subject: FW: OUTRAGED!!
COULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN IT BETTER MYSELF. BUT I SHARE HER ANGST AND ANGER
OVER WHAT A BUNCH OF "POLITICALLY CORRECT" CRY BABIES WE HAVE BECOME,
ESPECIALLY OUR GOVERNMENT. WE NOW KISS THE ASS ENDS OF MEXICAN, SPANISH AND
ARAB IMMIGRANTS WHO NOW ENJOY THE SAME BENEFITS MOST OF US HAD TO WORK OVER
30 YEARS TO GET!! THE MESSAGES SHOULD READ PRESS ONE FOR ENGLISH OR PRESS
TWO TO LEAVE OUR COUNTRY! DAMN RIGHT SHE IS OUTRAGED! WHO WOULD NOT BE.
BAILING OUT FAILING AND CROOKED BIG BANKS AND BUSINESSES AND A PRESIDENT
THAT WANTS TO STRIP US OF OUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS AND TO US INTO A SOCIALIST
NATION. BUT WAIT, WAIT UNTIL HE "CHANGES' A FEW TAXES ON US IN '10 AND '11.
HE IS ALSO PUTTING OUR CHILDREN IN SUCH DIRE DEBT, THEY WILL NEVER PAY OUT.
DEMOCRATS BLAME REPUBLICANS, REPUBLICANS BLAME DEMOCRATS. THEY BOTH
REGURGITATE THE SAME VILE PUKE THAT SPILLS OVER ON US. NEVER HAVE I EVER
WITNESSED SUCH A TOTAL AND RAPID BREAKDOWN OF OUR MORAL FIBER. WE HAVE
TURNED INTO A NATION OF GREEDY AND DISGUSTING CARPETBAGGERS, PRINTING
BILLIONS OF WASTED DOLLARS AND SHOWERING IT LIKE CONFETTI, REWARDING
THOUSAND FOR FAILURE, NOT FOR PERFORMANCE. YET PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME PAY
OUR MORTGAGES, PAY OUR TAXES, STRUGGLE WITH A "SMALL BUSINESS" AND OUR
GOVERNMENT DEFICATES ALL OVER US. WE ALL NEED TO BE OUTRAGED!!!! !!!!!
BOBBY G.
This woman is right on!!!!
Wall Street letter of Outrage .......... MUST READ!!!!
She wrote this last August. Can you imagine how outraged she is
today?
(If you didn't see this, she really hits the nail on the head.
I hope everyone reads this and realizes just how socialist this country is
becoming. Like Alisa we should all be outraged).
This letter was sent to the Wall Street Journal on August 8, 2008
by Alisa Wilson, Ph.D. Of Beverly Hills , CA . in response to the Wall
Street Journal
article titled "Where's The Outrage?" that appeared July 31,
2008.
Really. I can tell you where the outrage is. The outrage is here,
in this middle-aged, well-educated, upper-middle class woman. The outrage is
here, but I have no representation, no voice. The outrage is here, but no
one is listening for who am I?
I am not a billionaire like George Soros that can fund an entire
political movement.
< br> I am not a celebrity like Barbra Streisand that can garner
the attention of the press to promote political candidates.
I am not a film maker like Michael Moore or Al Gore that can
deliver misleading movies to the public.
The outrage is here, but unlike those with money or power, I
don't know how to reach those who feel similarly in order to effect
change.
Why am I outraged? I am outraged that my country, the United
States of America, is in a state of moral and ethical decline. There is no
right or wrong anymore, just what's fair.
Is it fair that millions of Americans who overreached and
borrowed more than they could afford are now being bailed out by the
government and lending
institutions to stave off foreclosure? Why shouldn't these people
be made to pay the consequences for their poor judgment?
When my husband and I purchased our home, we were careful to
purchase only what we could afford. Believe me, there are much larger, much
nicer h omes that I would have loved to have purchased. But, taking
responsibility for my behavior and my life, I went with the house that we
could afford, not the house that we could not afford. The notion of
personal responsibility has all but died in our country.
I am outraged, that the country that welcomed my mother as an
immigrant from Hitler's Nazi Germany and required that she and her family
learn English now allows itself to be overrun with illegal immigrants and
worse, caters to those illegal immigrants.
I am outraged that my hard-earned taxes help support those here
illegally. That the Los Angeles Public School District is in such disarray
that I felt it incumbent to send my child to private school, that every
time I go to the ATM, I see "do you want to continue in English or
Spanish?", that every time I call the bank, the phone company , or similar
business, I hear "press 1 for English or press 2 for Spanish". WHY? This
is America , our common language is English and attempts to =2 0 promote a
bi- or multi-lingual society are sure to fail and to marginalize those who
cannot communicate in English.
I am outraged at our country's weakness in the face of new
threats on American traditions from Muslims. Just this week, Tyson's Food
negotiated with its union to permit Muslims to have Eid-al-Fitr as a holiday
instead of Labor Day. What am I missing? Yes, there is a large Somali Muslim
population working at the Tyson's plant in Tennessee . Tennessee , last I
checked, is still
part of the United States . If Muslims want to live and work here
they should be required to live and work by our American Laws and not
impose their will on
our long history.
In the same week, Random House announced that they had
indefinitely delayed the publication of The Jewel of Medina, by Sherry
Jones, a book about the life of Mohammed's wife, Aisha due to fear of
retribution andviolence by Muslims. When did we become a nation ruled by
fear of what other immigrant groups
want? It makes me so sad to=2 0see large corporations cave rather
than stand proudly on the principles that built this country.
I am outraged because appeasement has never worked as a political
policy, yet appeasing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is exactly what we are trying to
do. An
excellent article, also published recently in the Wall Street
Journal, went through over 20 years of history and why talking with Iran
has been and will continue to be ineffective. Yet talk, with a madman no
less, we continue to do. Have we so lost our moral compass and its ability
to detect evil that we will not go in and destroy Iran's nuclear program?
Would we rather wait for another Holocaust for the Jews - one which they
would be unlikely to survive? When does it end?
As if the battle for good and evil isn't enough, now come the
Environmentalists who are so afraid of global warming that they want to put
a Bag tax on grocery bags in California; to eliminate Mylar balloons; to
establish something as insidious as the recycle police in San Francisco. I
do my share for the environment: I recycle, I use water wisely, I installed
an energy efficient air conditioning unit. But when and where does the
lunacy stop?Ahmadinejad wants to wipe Israel off the map, the California
economy is being overrun by illegal immigrants, and the United States of
America no longer knows right from wrong, good from evil. So what does
California do? Tax grocery bags.
So, America , although I can tell you where the outrage is, this
one middle-aged, well-educated, upper middle class woman is powerless to do
anything about it. I don't even feel like my vote counts because I am so
outnumbered by those who disagree with me.
Alisa Wilson, Ph.D.
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Re: Fw: OUTRAGED!!
Posted by: "Robert Brennan"
mgtc7794@gmail.com
mgtc7794
Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:55 am (PDT)
Yup, I agree. But this is the wrong forum to vent that.
Bob Brennan
S.Freeport, ME
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Bob Leinen wrote:
> One woman's opinion and one that I can identify with. She thinks and
> writes like a PHD and hasn't become socialistic and politically correct like
> the majority of Californians best epitomized by Madame Speaker Pelosi!
>
> Subject: FW: OUTRAGED!!
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> COULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN IT BETTER MYSELF. BUT I SHARE HER ANGST AND ANGER
> OVER WHAT A BUNCH OF "POLITICALLY CORRECT" CRY BABIES WE HAVE BECOME,
> ESPECIALLY OUR GOVERNMENT. WE NOW KISS THE ASS ENDS OF MEXICAN, SPANISH AND
> ARAB IMMIGRANTS WHO NOW ENJOY THE SAME BENEFITS MOST OF US HAD TO WORK OVER
> 30 YEARS TO GET!! THE MESSAGES SHOULD READ PRESS ONE FOR ENGLISH OR PRESS
> TWO TO LEAVE OUR COUNTRY! DAMN RIGHT SHE IS OUTRAGED! WHO WOULD NOT BE.
> BAILING OUT FAILING AND CROOKED BIG BANKS AND BUSINESSES AND A PRESIDENT
> THAT WANTS TO STRIP US OF OUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS AND TO US INTO A SOCIALIST
> NATION. BUT WAIT, WAIT UNTIL HE "CHANGES' A FEW TAXES ON US IN '10 AND '11.
> HE IS ALSO PUTTING OUR CHILDREN IN SUCH DIRE DEBT, THEY WILL NEVER PAY OUT.
>
> DEMOCRATS BLAME REPUBLICANS, REPUBLICANS BLAME DEMOCRATS. THEY BOTH
> REGURGITATE THE SAME VILE PUKE THAT SPILLS OVER ON US. NEVER HAVE I EVER
> WITNESSED SUCH A TOTAL AND RAPID BREAKDOWN OF OUR MORAL FIBER. WE HAVE
> TURNED INTO A NATION OF GREEDY AND DISGUSTING CARPETBAGGERS, PRINTING
> BILLIONS OF WASTED DOLLARS AND SHOWERING IT LIKE CONFETTI, REWARDING
> THOUSAND FOR FAILURE, NOT FOR PERFORMANCE. YET PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME PAY
> OUR MORTGAGES, PAY OUR TAXES, STRUGGLE WITH A "SMALL BUSINESS" AND OUR
> GOVERNMENT DEFICATES ALL OVER US. WE ALL NEED TO BE OUTRAGED!!!! !!!!!
>
> BOBBY G.
>
>
>
>
> This woman is right on!!!!
>
>
>
>
> Wall Street letter of Outrage .......... MUST READ!!!!
> She wrote this last August. Can you imagine how outraged she is
> today?
>
>
> (If you didn't see this, she really hits the nail on the head.
> I hope everyone reads this and realizes just how socialist this country is
> becoming. Like Alisa we should all be outraged).
>
> This letter was sent to the Wall Street Journal on August 8, 2008
> by Alisa Wilson, Ph.D. Of Beverly Hills , CA . in response to the Wall
> Street Journal
> article titled "Where's The Outrage?" that appeared July 31,
> 2008.
>
> Really. I can tell you where the outrage is. The outrage is here,
> in this middle-aged, well-educated, upper-middle class woman. The outrage is
> here, but I have no representation, no voice. The outrage is here, but no
> one is listening for who am I?
>
> I am not a billionaire like George Soros that can fund an entire
> political movement.
> < br> I am not a celebrity like Barbra Streisand that can garner
> the attention of the press to promote political candidates.
>
> I am not a film maker like Michael Moore or Al Gore that can
> deliver misleading movies to the public.
>
> The outrage is here, but unlike those with money or power, I
> don't know how to reach those who feel similarly in order to effect
> change.
>
> Why am I outraged? I am outraged that my country, the United
> States of America, is in a state of moral and ethical decline. There is no
> right or wrong anymore, just what's fair.
>
> Is it fair that millions of Americans who overreached and
> borrowed more than they could afford are now being bailed out by the
> government and lending
> institutions to stave off foreclosure? Why shouldn't these people
> be made to pay the consequences for their poor judgment?
>
> When my husband and I purchased our home, we were careful to
> purchase only what we could afford. Believe me, there are much larger,
> much nicer h omes that I would have loved to have purchased. But, taking
> responsibility for my behavior and my life, I went with the house that we
> could afford, not the house that we could not afford. The notion of
> personal responsibility has all but died in our country.
>
> I am outraged, that the country that welcomed my mother as an
> immigrant from Hitler's Nazi Germany and required that she and her family
> learn English now allows itself to be overrun with illegal immigrants and
> worse, caters to those illegal immigrants.
>
> I am outraged that my hard-earned taxes help support those here
> illegally. That the Los Angeles Public School District is in such disarray
> that I felt it incumbent to send my child to private school, that every
> time I go to the ATM, I see "do you want to continue in English or
> Spanish?", that every time I call the bank, the phone company , or similar
> business, I hear "press 1 for English or press 2 for Spanish". WHY? This
> is America , our common language is English and attempts to =2 0 promote a
> bi- or multi-lingual society are sure to fail and to marginalize those who
> cannot communicate in English.
>
> I am outraged at our country's weakness in the face of new
> threats on American traditions from Muslims. Just this week, Tyson's Food
> negotiated with its union to permit Muslims to have Eid-al-Fitr as a
> holiday instead of Labor Day. What am I missing? Yes, there is a large
> Somali Muslim population working at the Tyson's plant in Tennessee .
> Tennessee , last I checked, is still
> part of the United States . If Muslims want to live and work here
> they should be required to live and work by our American Laws and not
> impose their will on
> our long history.
>
> In the same week, Random House announced that they had
> indefinitely delayed the publication of The Jewel of Medina, by Sherry
> Jones, a book about the life of Mohammed's wife, Aisha due to fear of
> retribution andviolence by Muslims. When did we become a nation ruled by
> fear of what other immigrant groups
> want? It makes me so sad to=2 0see large corporations cave rather
> than stand proudly on the principles that built this country.
>
> I am outraged because appeasement has never worked as a political
> policy, yet appeasing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is exactly what we are trying to
> do. An
> excellent article, also published recently in the Wall Street
> Journal, went through over 20 years of history and why talking with Iran
> has been and will continue to be ineffective. Yet talk, with a madman no
> less, we continue to do. Have we so lost our moral compass and its ability
> to detect evil that we will not go in and destroy Iran's nuclear program?
> Would we rather wait for another Holocaust for the Jews - one which they
> would be unlikely to survive? When does it end?
>
> As if the battle for good and evil isn't enough, now come the
> Environmentalists who are so afraid of global warming that they want to put
> a Bag tax on grocery bags in California; to eliminate Mylar balloons; to
> establish something as insidious as the recycle police in San Francisco. I
> do my share for the environment: I recycle, I use water wisely, I installed
> an energy efficient air conditioning unit. But when and where does the
> lunacy stop?Ahmadinejad wants to wipe Israel off the map, the California
> economy is being overrun by illegal immigrants, and the United States of
> America no longer knows right from wrong, good from evil. So what does
> California do? Tax grocery bags.
>
> So, America , although I can tell you where the outrage is, this
> one middle-aged, well-educated, upper middle class woman is powerless to do
> anything about it. I don't even feel like my vote counts because I am so
> outnumbered by those who disagree with me.
>
> Alisa Wilson, Ph.D.
> Beverly Hills, California
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Re: Mike Sherrell?
Posted by: "Madhusudhanan Paroor"
madhuparoor@googlemail.com
paroormadhu
Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:06 pm (PDT)
Hi Terry,
In 2003 Mike and Loretta was in UK with MG TC group. They also
drove around Europe after the UK event. They has some problem with the
starting Motor in Germany near to our place. So one of our TC Member drove
to them and give them all help and assistance.They also spent few nights in
his house in Bad Soden sorting out the mechanical problems.
I had the luck to invite them all to my house. Their daughter was in
hospital for delivery that day. So excited Loretta telephoned from place to
the hospital and came to know that the delevery was smooth and she is a
grand mother. They both were extremely nice to me. After inspecting the
moving chassis of TC 448, we also had lunch together. May be I can load some
of the picture to T-abc site.
So Terry if you ever land in Frankfurt Germany, I promise you that you got a
place here to sleep and also pick up service. I will be back in Germany by
May first week
Have a nice day.
Madhu
Bad Soden, Germany
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:27 AM, wrote:
> In a message dated 3/19/2009 5:57:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> Posti@aol.com
> writes:
>
>
> > I have been reading through my recently re-acquired copy of TCs Forever,
> > and
> > was wondering if the author Michael Sherrell is still about?
>
> Bob, Mike is still about but he doesn't do email. You can get a message to
> him via some of the boys in Perth. Mike lost his beloved Loretta a few
> years
> ago.....He and Loretta came and stayed with me for a week or so when he did
> his
> USA tour....as did Harry and Diedre Pyle before that........
> Terry in Oakland
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Fw: Good TV program at 8:00pm tonight
Posted by: "Mike Hughes"
hughes.c.m@worldnet.att.net
ta_0512
Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:20 pm (PDT)
Good TV watching on ESPN at 8:00pm EST tonight:
http://www.truthin2 4.com/
- Mike Hughes - -
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Floorboard drawing
Posted by: "SHERWOOD L PARKER"
sherparker1@msn.com
xpag9080
Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:08 pm (PDT)
Lister,
I have googled until I am blue. Would any of you know a source for a drawing, with dimensions, for the TF floorboards?
Sorry to bomb the list with a TF need so reply off list.
Thanks,
sherwood
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Fwd: FW: Check Out These Tires:
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FDShade@aol.com
fdshade
Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:14 pm (PDT)
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I have just checked Cliff Knight's references to Altette Horns in the MGOCC Bulletin. The article on pages 12-17 by Taff Isaac describes the differences to Altette Horns for the periods 1931-34, 1934-37, 1937-40, 1940-51 and 1951 onwards and the means of adjustment. Apparently the HF1234/1235 versions introduced in the mid 1940's had no rear adjustment facility.
There are some excellent diagrams which may be of interest. If anyone is interested then please contact me off-line and I'll scan the drawings and forward them. Taffs Issac provides an address which may no longer be correct as it was 16 years ago and he offered (then) a repair and exchange service.
I have just checked and he is still going and has a very detailed website:
www.taffthehorns.com
Hope this helps
Jerry Birkbeck
(with an incorrect Altette horn on my TA though it only cost 3 and picked up at an MG event at Stoneleigh several years ago. Though it only makes a croak!)
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To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 20 March, 2009, 9:03 PM
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Messages In This Digest (19
Messages)
1a.
Re: Lucus Altette Horn
From:
Frederic Nitz
2a.
TB's are 70
From:
jeffrey townsend
2b.
Re: TB's are 70
From:
Posti@aol.com
3a.
New England T Register - slow response
From:
Posti@aol.com
3b.
Re: New England T Register - slow response
From:
Harry Ware
3c.
Re: New England T Register - slow response
From:
Mark Stolzenburg
3d.
Re: New England T Register - slow response
From:
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4a.
Spare Parts
From:
BUD SILVERS
4b.
Spare Parts
From:
BUD SILVERS
5a.
Re: Top pin header hole inserts
From:
John Seim
6.
Re: Cars for sale
From:
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7.
Fw: Good TV program at 8:00pm tonight on ESPN
From:
Mike Hughes
8a.
FW: [mg-tabc] Brake cups
From:
Harry Ware
9a.
Re: Fw: OUTRAGED!!
From:
MGLeckstein
9b.
Re: Fw: OUTRAGED!!
From:
Robert Brennan
10a.
Re: Mike Sherrell?
From:
Madhusudhanan Paroor
11.
Fw: Good TV program at 8:00pm tonight
From:
Mike Hughes
12.
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From:
SHERWOOD L PARKER
13.
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From:
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1a.
Re: Lucus Altette Horn
Posted by: "Frederic Nitz"
f.nitz@verizon.net
f.nitz
Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:50 am (PDT)
I have one somewhere. I ll see if I can find it. You need to use multiple gaskets to get it right, three I think. Outside of that, they are pretty simple to work on.
From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of cliffknight@ tiscali.co. uk
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:19 PM
To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [mg-tabc] Re: Lucus Altette Horn
Bill and all who have helped me with this one. Thanks fellows. Taff
the Horn is still a great source for spares.
I still haven't found a detailed overhaul procedure but I'm sure I
have seen one somewhere. I got it working a bit better today so will
wait for my new cover before stripping it down. It should be loud
enough to scare the donkeys out of the road for the time being.
I'll share what I find and if nothing better turns up I'll write a
procedure myself. Meanwhile if anyone has a March 1992 Bulletin
(Octagon Car Club) the index says there is something on the Altette
on
page 12, also an entry in June 93 page 9.
If anyone needs a full repair procedure for the SU pump I have one.
If I can get clearance for the illustrations I stole, I'll ask Walter
to put it on the site - meanwhile email me off list if you need it
now.
Best wishes
Cliff
might be as well as a couple of old period-books and come up empty>----Original Message----
>From: bdavispics@yahoo. com
>Date: 19/03/2009 15:51
>To: "Cliff Knight"
>Subj: Re: Lucus Altette Horn
>
>
>Hello Cliff...
>I've looked through files where I thought the horn adjustment info
handed.
than just that business in the TD/TF manual (different horn of>
>Still, I feel sure that I have seen something more on the adjustment
course).
But now that my curiosity is piqued I will be sure to keep an eye out.
any notes you make or procedural instructions that you could pass>
>If you find something -or if you work through the process yourself-
along
to the group would be a great help and most appreciated.
knight.clifford@ ymail.com>
>Kind regards.... Bill
>
>Re: Lucus Altette Horn
>Posted by: "cliffknight@ tiscali.co. uk " cliffknight@ tiscali.co. uk
pressing>Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:11 pm (PDT)
>
>Thanks for your comment Bill
>I don't want to offend anyone and I know we all get different
>pleasures from our mad hobby, but to me, letting someone else fix my
>old cars is like letting some other kid play with my toys - and then
>paying him to do it. I'll really enjoy blasting the horn if I fix it
>myself. By the way have you guys discovered the buzz you get
reflected>the horn under bridges? But then I never grew out of winding the
>windiows down on my V8 TVR in town so I could hear the burble
//www.>from shop windows.
>
>Thank God we are all different and us blokes don't have to grow up -
>and some of the girls too.
>Best wishes
>Cliff
>
>>----Original Message----
>>From: bdavispics@yahoo. com
>>Date: 18/03/2009 20:52
>>To:
>>Subj: Re: Lucus Altette Horn
>>
>>Cliff...
>>Have a look at this site just for info (parts and repair). http:
tuning>taffthehorns. com/
>>
>>I seem to remember that there's something in the TD TF workshop
>manual about adjusting those horns. And I know that something on
I>these horns has crossed my desk in the past. I'll look around... if
are>find anything I'll scan and post it to you.
>>Bill
>>P.S. Thanks for 'informing' the lister who directed you toward
>someone to do it for you that you'd rather do it yourself. Too many
Get up to 50% off Norton Security - http://www.tiscali. co.uk/securepc>too eager to let someone else enjoy all the fun!
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TB's are 70
Posted by: "jeffrey townsend"
jeff.townsend@hotmail.co.uk
gftomlinson
Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:19 am (PDT)
Hi,
Are there any TB get togethers planned for this year to celebrate 70th anniversary of the TB here in the UK or elsewhere? It seems a shame to miss the opportunity. I wonder how many we could get together? From the number that seem to exist probably more than 379!
Regards,
Jeff Townsend Cambridgeshire TB0489
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Re: TB's are 70
Posted by: "Posti@aol.com"
Posti@aol.com
postihorse
Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:30 am (PDT)
I don't know about the TBers, but TC5308 turns 60 on April 22nd, and I am
planning party! (Guest of honor gets a tank of high test and an oil change).
Bob
In a message dated 3/20/2009 9:20:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jeff.townsend@ hotmail.co. uk writes:
Hi,
Are there any TB get togethers planned for this year to celebrate 70th
anniversary of the TB here in the UK or elsewhere? It seems a shame to miss the
opportunity. I wonder how many we could get together? From the number that seem
to exist probably more than 379!
Regards,
Jeff Townsend Cambridgeshire TB0489
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New England T Register - slow response
Posted by: "Posti@aol.com"
Posti@aol.com
postihorse
Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:03 am (PDT)
I sent in my membership over a month ago to join the New England MG T
Register and have yet to receive any acknowledgement, though an email inquiry
Monday did get me a brief reply that my membership had been processed and I would
get a TSO mailed out soon. I used the enclosed membership number to log onto
the site, only to be blocked because the online access had to be approved.
It still hasn't been approved after 4 days. Makes it sorta hard to take
advantage of the benefits I paid $50 for. Is this typical response time for the
NEMGTR? It was highly recommended by a friend as a 'must', but so far I am
unimpressed with the club. By contrast, this group, which is free, has been
fantastic. Figures.
Bob Stein
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Re: New England T Register - slow response
Posted by: "Harry Ware"
harrywarejr@hotmail.com
Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:09 am (PDT)
HI BOB :
TONY THOMAS IS REGISTER FOR THE T-REGISTER HIS EMAIL IS
athomas990@aol. com EMAIL TONY : GREAT GUY.
HARRY-38TA
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From: Posti@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:57:04 -0400
Subject: [mg-tabc] New England T Register - slow response
I sent in my membership over a month ago to join the New England MG T
Register and have yet to receive any acknowledgement, though an email inquiry
Monday did get me a brief reply that my membership had been processed and I would
get a TSO mailed out soon. I used the enclosed membership number to log onto
the site, only to be blocked because the online access had to be approved.
It still hasn't been approved after 4 days. Makes it sorta hard to take
advantage of the benefits I paid $50 for. Is this typical response time for the
NEMGTR? It was highly recommended by a friend as a 'must', but so far I am
unimpressed with the club. By contrast, this group, which is free, has been
fantastic. Figures.
Bob Stein
TC5308
************ **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or
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Re: New England T Register - slow response
Posted by: "Mark Stolzenburg"
stolzy40@sbcglobal.net
stolzy4040
Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:31 am (PDT)
Bob, The NEMGTR is a great organization. They have a fantastic magazine
(Sacred Octagon) and hold outstanding GOF meets. Just remember they are all
volunteers so be patience. Its not like they are a commercial
organization.
Mark Stolzenburg
St. Louis, Missouri
TC 7812
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Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:57 AM
To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [mg-tabc] New England T Register - slow response
I sent in my membership over a month ago to join the New England MG T
Register and have yet to receive any acknowledgement, though an email
inquiry
Monday did get me a brief reply that my membership had been processed and I
would
get a TSO mailed out soon. I used the enclosed membership number to log
onto
the site, only to be blocked because the online access had to be approved.
It still hasn't been approved after 4 days. Makes it sorta hard to take
advantage of the benefits I paid $50 for. Is this typical response time for
the
NEMGTR? It was highly recommended by a friend as a 'must', but so far I am
unimpressed with the club. By contrast, this group, which is free, has been
fantastic. Figures.
Bob Stein
TC5308
************ **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10
or
less. ( http://food. aol.com/frugal- feasts?ncid= emlcntusfood0000 0001
)
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Re: New England T Register - slow response
Posted by: "Posti@aol.com"
Posti@aol.com
postihorse
Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:38 am (PDT)
Hiya!
I understand the volunteer aspect better than most - I am Vice President and
Webmaster for my local AACA region, as well as another car club region.
However, I have membership in the Model A Ford Club of America, The Packard
Owners Club, the Studebaker Driver's Club, AACA, and at least a half-dozen other
groups and clubs related to the automobile hobby. NEMGTR is the most
expensive of all and the slowest by far to respond. However, I am also champing at
the bit with the TC and am probably not as patient as I should be. Guess I
need to relax, right?
Bob Stein
In a message dated 3/20/2009 11:21:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
stolzy40@sbcglobal. net writes:
Bob, The NEMGTR is a great organization. They have a fantastic magazine
(Sacred Octagon) and hold outstanding GOF meets. Just remember they are all
volunteers so be patience. Its not like they are a commercial organization.
Mark Stolzenburg
St. Louis, Missouri
TC 7812
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From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com]On Behalf Of
Posti@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:57 AM
To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [mg-tabc] New England T Register - slow response
I sent in my membership over a month ago to join the New England MG T
Register and have yet to receive any acknowledgement, though an email
inquiry
Monday did get me a brief reply that my membership had been processed and I
would
get a TSO mailed out soon. I used the enclosed membership number to log onto
the site, only to be blocked because the online access had to be approved.
It still hasn't been approved after 4 days. Makes it sorta hard to take
advantage of the benefits I paid $50 for. Is this typical response time for
the
NEMGTR? It was highly recommended by a friend as a 'must', but so far I am
unimpressed with the club. By contrast, this group, which is free, has been
fantastic. Figures.
Bob Stein
TC5308
************ ********* **** *Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make d
less. (_http://food. http://food. Bob,
>
> I think those are TD items, Moss should have a listing.
> Ben Cordsen
>
> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com
> From: Posti@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:53:13 -0400
> Subject: [mg-tabc] Top pin header hole inserts
>
> Greetings!
>
> About to tackle installation of TC5308's bonnet, and caught reference
> in one
> of the instruction sets to some header locator hole inserts that dress
> up
> the sockets and protect the top fabric. Anyone know where such animals
> can be
> had? No listing shows up anywhere I can find.
>
> Bob Stein
> TC5308
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Re: Cars for sale
Posted by: "Austin R. Baer"
lazybear@alum.mit.edu
austinrbaer
Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:58 am (PDT)
MG-TABCThis appeared is the Suncoast British Car Club Newsletter:
Cars for sale by owner who lost job, is heading "north" and MUST sell:
Jaguar MK II '67 3.8L 4 speed with overdrive.
MGA R.H.D. '58.
MG TD '52.
Owner is Mario: 941-928-9620
Austin TC 8362 EXU (Sarasota, FL)
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Fw: Good TV program at 8:00pm tonight on ESPN
Posted by: "Mike Hughes"
hughes.c.m@worldnet.att.net
ta_0512
Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:43 am (PDT)
Yahoo has blocked something I posted earlier today for some reason - perhaps
because it contained a web-link to a very interesting preview trailer for a
program airing on ESPN at 8:00 PM EST tonight about racing at Le Mans.
Try going to "truthin24.com" to see the trailer.
In the first moments of the video you will see some bits of footage from the
1960s, including a few seconds of footage, right about when the announcer is
saying "ultimate challenge," of a red MGB going off course.
- Mike Hughes - -
'37 TA 0512
Alexandria, Virginia
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FW: [mg-tabc] Brake cups
Posted by: "Harry Ware"
harrywarejr@hotmail.com
Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:37 am (PDT)
GOOD DAY :
I'VE USED SILICON IN ALL 7 OF MY MG'S IT'S GREAT, MY 61 MGA HAS A SOFTER
BRAKE PEDAL BUT ALL WORKS WELL, BE FOR SILICON I WAS REPLACING MASTER
CYLINDERS, WHEEL CYLINDERS ETC. I'VE USED SILICON FOR ABOUT 20 PLUS YEAR.
CHEERS :HARRY 38TA
To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com
From: websim@pacbell. net
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:31:31 -0700
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Brake cups
I've used silicon in two of my MGs for a long time (14 years on one and 8 years on the other) with no ill effects, and am at this very moment converting the TC to the same. The main reason I'm converting is so that it matches the other cars and allows me to stock just one type of fluid. The reason for running it in those cars is because I'm sick of leaky master cylinders eating away my paint, especially in my wife's MGA!
I'm using Moss rubber in the TC so hopefully I don't suffer the same fate as your friend. I wonder if something else contributed to the failure of the rubber. Modern rubber formulations should be compatible with any standard fluid, silicon or not!
If anyone else has encountered this problem please speak up!
- Steve Simmons
- TC8975, LA, CA
- http://www.mgnuts. com
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Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:22 PM
Subject: [mg-tabc] Brake cups
This ought to start a thread -
A list member rebuilt his brakes with new Lockheed rubber from Abingdon Spares. poured in the silicon fluid and started bleeding the brakes and found fluid pouring out of the front cylinders. Took them apart and found the cups "lumpy".
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Re: Fw: OUTRAGED!!
Posted by: "MGLeckstein"
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Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:45 am (PDT)
Please not here. This forum is about old English Cars, and an escape from
the world out there for a few minutes a day.
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Subject: [mg-tabc] Fw: OUTRAGED!!
One woman's opinion and one that I can identify with. She thinks and writes
like a PHD and hasn't become socialistic and politically correct like the
majority of Californians best epitomized by Madame Speaker Pelosi!
Subject: FW: OUTRAGED!!
COULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN IT BETTER MYSELF. BUT I SHARE HER ANGST AND ANGER
OVER WHAT A BUNCH OF "POLITICALLY CORRECT" CRY BABIES WE HAVE BECOME,
ESPECIALLY OUR GOVERNMENT. WE NOW KISS THE ASS ENDS OF MEXICAN, SPANISH AND
ARAB IMMIGRANTS WHO NOW ENJOY THE SAME BENEFITS MOST OF US HAD TO WORK OVER
30 YEARS TO GET!! THE MESSAGES SHOULD READ PRESS ONE FOR ENGLISH OR PRESS
TWO TO LEAVE OUR COUNTRY! DAMN RIGHT SHE IS OUTRAGED! WHO WOULD NOT BE.
BAILING OUT FAILING AND CROOKED BIG BANKS AND BUSINESSES AND A PRESIDENT
THAT WANTS TO STRIP US OF OUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS AND TO US INTO A SOCIALIST
NATION. BUT WAIT, WAIT UNTIL HE "CHANGES' A FEW TAXES ON US IN '10 AND '11.
HE IS ALSO PUTTING OUR CHILDREN IN SUCH DIRE DEBT, THEY WILL NEVER PAY OUT.
DEMOCRATS BLAME REPUBLICANS, REPUBLICANS BLAME DEMOCRATS. THEY BOTH
REGURGITATE THE SAME VILE PUKE THAT SPILLS OVER ON US. NEVER HAVE I EVER
WITNESSED SUCH A TOTAL AND RAPID BREAKDOWN OF OUR MORAL FIBER. WE HAVE
TURNED INTO A NATION OF GREEDY AND DISGUSTING CARPETBAGGERS, PRINTING
BILLIONS OF WASTED DOLLARS AND SHOWERING IT LIKE CONFETTI, REWARDING
THOUSAND FOR FAILURE, NOT FOR PERFORMANCE. YET PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME PAY
OUR MORTGAGES, PAY OUR TAXES, STRUGGLE WITH A "SMALL BUSINESS" AND OUR
GOVERNMENT DEFICATES ALL OVER US. WE ALL NEED TO BE OUTRAGED!!!! !!!!!
BOBBY G.
This woman is right on!!!!
Wall Street letter of Outrage .......... MUST READ!!!!
She wrote this last August. Can you imagine how outraged she is
today?
(If you didn't see this, she really hits the nail on the head.
I hope everyone reads this and realizes just how socialist this country is
becoming. Like Alisa we should all be outraged).
This letter was sent to the Wall Street Journal on August 8, 2008
by Alisa Wilson, Ph.D. Of Beverly Hills , CA . in response to the Wall
Street Journal
article titled "Where's The Outrage?" that appeared July 31,
2008.
Really. I can tell you where the outrage is. The outrage is here,
in this middle-aged, well-educated, upper-middle class woman. The outrage is
here, but I have no representation, no voice. The outrage is here, but no
one is listening for who am I?
I am not a billionaire like George Soros that can fund an entire
political movement.
< br> I am not a celebrity like Barbra Streisand that can garner
the attention of the press to promote political candidates.
I am not a film maker like Michael Moore or Al Gore that can
deliver misleading movies to the public.
The outrage is here, but unlike those with money or power, I
don't know how to reach those who feel similarly in order to effect
change.
Why am I outraged? I am outraged that my country, the United
States of America, is in a state of moral and ethical decline. There is no
right or wrong anymore, just what's fair.
Is it fair that millions of Americans who overreached and
borrowed more than they could afford are now being bailed out by the
government and lending
institutions to stave off foreclosure? Why shouldn't these people
be made to pay the consequences for their poor judgment?
When my husband and I purchased our home, we were careful to
purchase only what we could afford. Believe me, there are much larger, much
nicer h omes that I would have loved to have purchased. But, taking
responsibility for my behavior and my life, I went with the house that we
could afford, not the house that we could not afford. The notion of
personal responsibility has all but died in our country.
I am outraged, that the country that welcomed my mother as an
immigrant from Hitler's Nazi Germany and required that she and her family
learn English now allows itself to be overrun with illegal immigrants and
worse, caters to those illegal immigrants.
I am outraged that my hard-earned taxes help support those here
illegally. That the Los Angeles Public School District is in such disarray
that I felt it incumbent to send my child to private school, that every
time I go to the ATM, I see "do you want to continue in English or
Spanish?", that every time I call the bank, the phone company , or similar
business, I hear "press 1 for English or press 2 for Spanish". WHY? This
is America , our common language is English and attempts to =2 0 promote a
bi- or multi-lingual society are sure to fail and to marginalize those who
cannot communicate in English.
I am outraged at our country's weakness in the face of new
threats on American traditions from Muslims. Just this week, Tyson's Food
negotiated with its union to permit Muslims to have Eid-al-Fitr as a holiday
instead of Labor Day. What am I missing? Yes, there is a large Somali Muslim
population working at the Tyson's plant in Tennessee . Tennessee , last I
checked, is still
part of the United States . If Muslims want to live and work here
they should be required to live and work by our American Laws and not
impose their will on
our long history.
In the same week, Random House announced that they had
indefinitely delayed the publication of The Jewel of Medina, by Sherry
Jones, a book about the life of Mohammed's wife, Aisha due to fear of
retribution andviolence by Muslims. When did we become a nation ruled by
fear of what other immigrant groups
want? It makes me so sad to=2 0see large corporations cave rather
than stand proudly on the principles that built this country.
I am outraged because appeasement has never worked as a political
policy, yet appeasing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is exactly what we are trying to
do. An
excellent article, also published recently in the Wall Street
Journal, went through over 20 years of history and why talking with Iran
has been and will continue to be ineffective. Yet talk, with a madman no
less, we continue to do. Have we so lost our moral compass and its ability
to detect evil that we will not go in and destroy Iran's nuclear program?
Would we rather wait for another Holocaust for the Jews - one which they
would be unlikely to survive? When does it end?
As if the battle for good and evil isn't enough, now come the
Environmentalists who are so afraid of global warming that they want to put
a Bag tax on grocery bags in California; to eliminate Mylar balloons; to
establish something as insidious as the recycle police in San Francisco. I
do my share for the environment: I recycle, I use water wisely, I installed
an energy efficient air conditioning unit. But when and where does the
lunacy stop?Ahmadinejad wants to wipe Israel off the map, the California
economy is being overrun by illegal immigrants, and the United States of
America no longer knows right from wrong, good from evil. So what does
California do? Tax grocery bags.
So, America , although I can tell you where the outrage is, this
one middle-aged, well-educated, upper middle class woman is powerless to do
anything about it. I don't even feel like my vote counts because I am so
outnumbered by those who disagree with me.
Alisa Wilson, Ph.D.
Beverly Hills, California
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Re: Fw: OUTRAGED!!
Posted by: "Robert Brennan"
mgtc7794@gmail.com
mgtc7794
Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:55 am (PDT)
Yup, I agree. But this is the wrong forum to vent that.
Bob Brennan
S.Freeport, ME
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Bob Leinen wrote:
> One woman's opinion and one that I can identify with. She thinks and
> writes like a PHD and hasn't become socialistic and politically correct like
> the majority of Californians best epitomized by Madame Speaker Pelosi!
>
> Subject: FW: OUTRAGED!!
>
>
>
> COULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN IT BETTER MYSELF. BUT I SHARE HER ANGST AND ANGER
> OVER WHAT A BUNCH OF "POLITICALLY CORRECT" CRY BABIES WE HAVE BECOME,
> ESPECIALLY OUR GOVERNMENT. WE NOW KISS THE ASS ENDS OF MEXICAN, SPANISH AND
> ARAB IMMIGRANTS WHO NOW ENJOY THE SAME BENEFITS MOST OF US HAD TO WORK OVER
> 30 YEARS TO GET!! THE MESSAGES SHOULD READ PRESS ONE FOR ENGLISH OR PRESS
> TWO TO LEAVE OUR COUNTRY! DAMN RIGHT SHE IS OUTRAGED! WHO WOULD NOT BE.
> BAILING OUT FAILING AND CROOKED BIG BANKS AND BUSINESSES AND A PRESIDENT
> THAT WANTS TO STRIP US OF OUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS AND TO US INTO A SOCIALIST
> NATION. BUT WAIT, WAIT UNTIL HE "CHANGES' A FEW TAXES ON US IN '10 AND '11.
> HE IS ALSO PUTTING OUR CHILDREN IN SUCH DIRE DEBT, THEY WILL NEVER PAY OUT.
>
> DEMOCRATS BLAME REPUBLICANS, REPUBLICANS BLAME DEMOCRATS. THEY BOTH
> REGURGITATE THE SAME VILE PUKE THAT SPILLS OVER ON US. NEVER HAVE I EVER
> WITNESSED SUCH A TOTAL AND RAPID BREAKDOWN OF OUR MORAL FIBER. WE HAVE
> TURNED INTO A NATION OF GREEDY AND DISGUSTING CARPETBAGGERS, PRINTING
> BILLIONS OF WASTED DOLLARS AND SHOWERING IT LIKE CONFETTI, REWARDING
> THOUSAND FOR FAILURE, NOT FOR PERFORMANCE. YET PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME PAY
> OUR MORTGAGES, PAY OUR TAXES, STRUGGLE WITH A "SMALL BUSINESS" AND OUR
> GOVERNMENT DEFICATES ALL OVER US. WE ALL NEED TO BE OUTRAGED!!!! !!!!!
>
> BOBBY G.
>
>
>
>
> This woman is right on!!!!
>
>
>
>
> Wall Street letter of Outrage .......... MUST READ!!!!
> She wrote this last August. Can you imagine how outraged she is
> today?
>
>
> (If you didn't see this, she really hits the nail on the head.
> I hope everyone reads this and realizes just how socialist this country is
> becoming. Like Alisa we should all be outraged).
>
> This letter was sent to the Wall Street Journal on August 8, 2008
> by Alisa Wilson, Ph.D. Of Beverly Hills , CA . in response to the Wall
> Street Journal
> article titled "Where's The Outrage?" that appeared July 31,
> 2008.
>
> Really. I can tell you where the outrage is. The outrage is here,
> in this middle-aged, well-educated, upper-middle class woman. The outrage is
> here, but I have no representation, no voice. The outrage is here, but no
> one is listening for who am I?
>
> I am not a billionaire like George Soros that can fund an entire
> political movement.
> < br> I am not a celebrity like Barbra Streisand that can garner
> the attention of the press to promote political candidates.
>
> I am not a film maker like Michael Moore or Al Gore that can
> deliver misleading movies to the public.
>
> The outrage is here, but unlike those with money or power, I
> don't know how to reach those who feel similarly in order to effect
> change.
>
> Why am I outraged? I am outraged that my country, the United
> States of America, is in a state of moral and ethical decline. There is no
> right or wrong anymore, just what's fair.
>
> Is it fair that millions of Americans who overreached and
> borrowed more than they could afford are now being bailed out by the
> government and lending
> institutions to stave off foreclosure? Why shouldn't these people
> be made to pay the consequences for their poor judgment?
>
> When my husband and I purchased our home, we were careful to
> purchase only what we could afford. Believe me, there are much larger,
> much nicer h omes that I would have loved to have purchased. But, taking
> responsibility for my behavior and my life, I went with the house that we
> could afford, not the house that we could not afford. The notion of
> personal responsibility has all but died in our country.
>
> I am outraged, that the country that welcomed my mother as an
> immigrant from Hitler's Nazi Germany and required that she and her family
> learn English now allows itself to be overrun with illegal immigrants and
> worse, caters to those illegal immigrants.
>
> I am outraged that my hard-earned taxes help support those here
> illegally. That the Los Angeles Public School District is in such disarray
> that I felt it incumbent to send my child to private school, that every
> time I go to the ATM, I see "do you want to continue in English or
> Spanish?", that every time I call the bank, the phone company , or similar
> business, I hear "press 1 for English or press 2 for Spanish". WHY? This
> is America , our common language is English and attempts to =2 0 promote a
> bi- or multi-lingual society are sure to fail and to marginalize those who
> cannot communicate in English.
>
> I am outraged at our country's weakness in the face of new
> threats on American traditions from Muslims. Just this week, Tyson's Food
> negotiated with its union to permit Muslims to have Eid-al-Fitr as a
> holiday instead of Labor Day. What am I missing? Yes, there is a large
> Somali Muslim population working at the Tyson's plant in Tennessee .
> Tennessee , last I checked, is still
> part of the United States . If Muslims want to live and work here
> they should be required to live and work by our American Laws and not
> impose their will on
> our long history.
>
> In the same week, Random House announced that they had
> indefinitely delayed the publication of The Jewel of Medina, by Sherry
> Jones, a book about the life of Mohammed's wife, Aisha due to fear of
> retribution andviolence by Muslims. When did we become a nation ruled by
> fear of what other immigrant groups
> want? It makes me so sad to=2 0see large corporations cave rather
> than stand proudly on the principles that built this country.
>
> I am outraged because appeasement has never worked as a political
> policy, yet appeasing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is exactly what we are trying to
> do. An
> excellent article, also published recently in the Wall Street
> Journal, went through over 20 years of history and why talking with Iran
> has been and will continue to be ineffective. Yet talk, with a madman no
> less, we continue to do. Have we so lost our moral compass and its ability
> to detect evil that we will not go in and destroy Iran's nuclear program?
> Would we rather wait for another Holocaust for the Jews - one which they
> would be unlikely to survive? When does it end?
>
> As if the battle for good and evil isn't enough, now come the
> Environmentalists who are so afraid of global warming that they want to put
> a Bag tax on grocery bags in California; to eliminate Mylar balloons; to
> establish something as insidious as the recycle police in San Francisco. I
> do my share for the environment: I recycle, I use water wisely, I installed
> an energy efficient air conditioning unit. But when and where does the
> lunacy stop?Ahmadinejad wants to wipe Israel off the map, the California
> economy is being overrun by illegal immigrants, and the United States of
> America no longer knows right from wrong, good from evil. So what does
> California do? Tax grocery bags.
>
> So, America , although I can tell you where the outrage is, this
> one middle-aged, well-educated, upper middle class woman is powerless to do
> anything about it. I don't even feel like my vote counts because I am so
> outnumbered by those who disagree with me.
>
> Alisa Wilson, Ph.D.
> Beverly Hills, California
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Re: Mike Sherrell?
Posted by: "Madhusudhanan Paroor"
madhuparoor@googlemail.com
paroormadhu
Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:06 pm (PDT)
Hi Terry,
In 2003 Mike and Loretta was in UK with MG TC group. They also
drove around Europe after the UK event. They has some problem with the
starting Motor in Germany near to our place. So one of our TC Member drove
to them and give them all help and assistance.They also spent few nights in
his house in Bad Soden sorting out the mechanical problems.
I had the luck to invite them all to my house. Their daughter was in
hospital for delivery that day. So excited Loretta telephoned from place to
the hospital and came to know that the delevery was smooth and she is a
grand mother. They both were extremely nice to me. After inspecting the
moving chassis of TC 448, we also had lunch together. May be I can load some
of the picture to T-abc site.
So Terry if you ever land in Frankfurt Germany, I promise you that you got a
place here to sleep and also pick up service. I will be back in Germany by
May first week
Have a nice day.
Madhu
Bad Soden, Germany
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> Posti@aol.com
> writes:
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> > I have been reading through my recently re-acquired copy of TCs Forever,
> > and
> > was wondering if the author Michael Sherrell is still about?
>
> Bob, Mike is still about but he doesn't do email. You can get a message to
> him via some of the boys in Perth. Mike lost his beloved Loretta a few
> years
> ago.....He and Loretta came and stayed with me for a week or so when he did
> his
> USA tour....as did Harry and Diedre Pyle before that........
> Terry in Oakland
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Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:08 pm (PDT)
Lister,
I have googled until I am blue. Would any of you know a source for a drawing, with dimensions, for the TF floorboards?
Sorry to bomb the list with a TF need so reply off list.
Thanks,
sherwood
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Altette Horns
The TC spec shows a Lucas Altette horn HF1234 as correct for the TC.
I've heard or read that th HF934 was used for a very brief time at the
beginning of TC production. This is essentially the same horn as the HF1234
except it has a pressed steel body and those pretty fluted chrome nuts.
Does anyone know details or particulars about the horns on early TCs?
Tom Wilson
TC0272 & 0273
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I've heard or read that th HF934 was used for a very brief time at the
beginning of TC production. This is essentially the same horn as the HF1234
except it has a pressed steel body and those pretty fluted chrome nuts.
Does anyone know details or particulars about the horns on early TCs?
Tom Wilson
TC0272 & 0273
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Re: Altette Horns
Thanks, Jim. Lynn (aka Taff) is right now restoring a couple prewar horns
for me, and we've conversed a lot. I've posed this question to the group
for another source to confirm supposition.
Tom
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From: sebring222@aol.com [mailto:sebring222@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:41 PM
To: TWilson@indy.rr.com
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
Tom-
A good resource on Lucas horns is :www.taffthehorns.com If the data you're
looking for isn't on the site, you'll get a knowledgeable response to your
inquiry.
Jim Dougherty
New Orleans
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom & Emily Wilson
To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:36 pm
Subject: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
The TC spec shows a Lucas Altette horn HF1234 as correct for the TC.
I've heard or read that th HF934 was used for a very brief time at the
beginning of TC production. This is essentially the same horn as the HF1234
except it has a pressed steel body and those pretty fluted chrome nuts.
Does anyone know details or particulars about the horns on early TCs?
Tom Wilson
TC0272 & 0273
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for me, and we've conversed a lot. I've posed this question to the group
for another source to confirm supposition.
Tom
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From: sebring222@aol.com [mailto:sebring222@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:41 PM
To: TWilson@indy.rr.com
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
Tom-
A good resource on Lucas horns is :www.taffthehorns.com If the data you're
looking for isn't on the site, you'll get a knowledgeable response to your
inquiry.
Jim Dougherty
New Orleans
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom & Emily Wilson
To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 5:36 pm
Subject: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
The TC spec shows a Lucas Altette horn HF1234 as correct for the TC.
I've heard or read that th HF934 was used for a very brief time at the
beginning of TC production. This is essentially the same horn as the HF1234
except it has a pressed steel body and those pretty fluted chrome nuts.
Does anyone know details or particulars about the horns on early TCs?
Tom Wilson
TC0272 & 0273
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Re: Altette Horns
Hi Tom,
Mine is dated Feb 46, has the notch at the top in the body, and has fluted chrome nuts, which are probably add-ons.
Will check out the #s and get back to you.
Cheers, Lee Jacobsen , Dearborn, MI TC0780
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom & Emily Wilson
To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:36 pm
Subject: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
The TC spec shows a Lucas Altette horn HF1234 as correct for the TC.
I've heard or read that th HF934 was used for a very brief time at the
beginning of TC production. This is essentially the same horn as the HF1234
except it has a pressed steel body and those pretty fluted chrome nuts.
Does anyone know details or particulars about the horns on early TCs?
Tom Wilson
TC0272 & 0273
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Mine is dated Feb 46, has the notch at the top in the body, and has fluted chrome nuts, which are probably add-ons.
Will check out the #s and get back to you.
Cheers, Lee Jacobsen , Dearborn, MI TC0780
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom & Emily Wilson
To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:36 pm
Subject: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
The TC spec shows a Lucas Altette horn HF1234 as correct for the TC.
I've heard or read that th HF934 was used for a very brief time at the
beginning of TC production. This is essentially the same horn as the HF1234
except it has a pressed steel body and those pretty fluted chrome nuts.
Does anyone know details or particulars about the horns on early TCs?
Tom Wilson
TC0272 & 0273
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Re: Altette Horns
Hello Tom. Lee,
I always understood that the taller, fluted nuts were pre-war and the notched body was later in the TC production run, and I've never seen a date-stamped body (unusually for Joe Lucas!). Always something new!
Regards, Lodge
I always understood that the taller, fluted nuts were pre-war and the notched body was later in the TC production run, and I've never seen a date-stamped body (unusually for Joe Lucas!). Always something new!
Regards, Lodge
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From: diecuts@aol.com
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
To: TWilson@indy.rr.com, mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 3 November, 2009, 6:01 PM
Hi Tom,
Mine is dated Feb 46, has the notch at the top in the body, and has fluted chrome nuts, which are probably add-ons.
Will check out the #s and get back to you.
Cheers, Lee Jacobsen , Dearborn, MI TC0780
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom & Emily Wilson
To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:36 pm
Subject: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
The TC spec shows a Lucas Altette horn HF1234 as correct for the TC.
I've heard or read that th HF934 was used for a very brief time at the
beginning of TC production. This is essentially the same horn as the HF1234
except it has a pressed steel body and those pretty fluted chrome nuts.
Does anyone know details or particulars about the horns on early TCs?
Tom Wilson
TC0272 & 0273
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Re: Altette Horns
Tom, Lee, Lodge, & all.
The 1234 horn was in 2 varieties, early ones had no "notch" on the top of
the reverse side, later ones had the notch. Both were the same model and
part number, HF1234 and 069248. I can find no reference to any other horn
being used, though the boys at Morris Garages would have happily substituted
another horn if Lucas was out of the 1234s for some reason, instead of
having cars sit waiting only for horns that would otherwise have been
shipped.
Both of the varieties of horn had acorn nuts around the rim that had
elongated domes, but neither used the fluted nuts. (Lucas later began
supplying the HF1234 horns with standard acorn nuts that were not elongated,
I have a NOS one of those.) The part number and date are stamped on the
phenolic insulator/wire holder over the 2 wire connections on the back side
of the horn. The cast metal bodies were not stamped.
Cheers,
George Wolf
British Auto Specialty
TC3452
From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
David Lodge
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:49 PM
To: TWilson@indy.rr.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com; diecuts@aol.com
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
Hello Tom. Lee,
I always understood that the taller, fluted nuts were pre-war and the
notched body was later in the TC production run, and I've never seen a
date-stamped body (unusually for Joe Lucas!). Always something new!
Regards, Lodge
--- On Tue, 3/11/09, diecuts@aol.com
wrote:
From: diecuts@aol.com
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
To: TWilson@indy.rr.com ,
mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 3 November, 2009, 6:01 PM
Hi Tom,
Mine is dated Feb 46, has the notch at the top in the body, and has fluted
chrome nuts, which are probably add-ons.
Will check out the #s and get back to you.
Cheers, Lee Jacobsen , Dearborn, MI TC0780
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom & Emily Wilson
To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:36 pm
Subject: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
The TC spec shows a Lucas Altette horn HF1234 as correct for the TC.
I've heard or read that th HF934 was used for a very brief time at the
beginning of TC production. This is essentially the same horn as the HF1234
except it has a pressed steel body and those pretty fluted chrome nuts.
Does anyone know details or particulars about the horns on early TCs?
Tom Wilson
TC0272 & 0273
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The 1234 horn was in 2 varieties, early ones had no "notch" on the top of
the reverse side, later ones had the notch. Both were the same model and
part number, HF1234 and 069248. I can find no reference to any other horn
being used, though the boys at Morris Garages would have happily substituted
another horn if Lucas was out of the 1234s for some reason, instead of
having cars sit waiting only for horns that would otherwise have been
shipped.
Both of the varieties of horn had acorn nuts around the rim that had
elongated domes, but neither used the fluted nuts. (Lucas later began
supplying the HF1234 horns with standard acorn nuts that were not elongated,
I have a NOS one of those.) The part number and date are stamped on the
phenolic insulator/wire holder over the 2 wire connections on the back side
of the horn. The cast metal bodies were not stamped.
Cheers,
George Wolf
British Auto Specialty
TC3452
From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
David Lodge
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:49 PM
To: TWilson@indy.rr.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com; diecuts@aol.com
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
Hello Tom. Lee,
I always understood that the taller, fluted nuts were pre-war and the
notched body was later in the TC production run, and I've never seen a
date-stamped body (unusually for Joe Lucas!). Always something new!
Regards, Lodge
--- On Tue, 3/11/09, diecuts@aol.com
wrote:
From: diecuts@aol.com
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
To: TWilson@indy.rr.com ,
mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 3 November, 2009, 6:01 PM
Hi Tom,
Mine is dated Feb 46, has the notch at the top in the body, and has fluted
chrome nuts, which are probably add-ons.
Will check out the #s and get back to you.
Cheers, Lee Jacobsen , Dearborn, MI TC0780
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom & Emily Wilson
To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:36 pm
Subject: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
The TC spec shows a Lucas Altette horn HF1234 as correct for the TC.
I've heard or read that th HF934 was used for a very brief time at the
beginning of TC production. This is essentially the same horn as the HF1234
except it has a pressed steel body and those pretty fluted chrome nuts.
Does anyone know details or particulars about the horns on early TCs?
Tom Wilson
TC0272 & 0273
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Re: Altette Horns
Hi George,
Thanks for the info on the horns.
It appears that there is a lot of 'wiggle room' with respect to nuts on the horns, and elongated dome nuts may be what are used rather than fluted, will have another look.
Also look for more dates, now that we know where to look. With all the crud on the horns, the date was probably not on the casting after all. My error.
Cheers, Lee Jacobsen, Dearborn, MI TC0780
-----Original Message-----
From: George Wolf
To: 'David Lodge' ; TWilson@indy.rr.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com; diecuts@aol.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:17 pm
Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
Tom, Lee, Lodge, & all.
The 1234 horn was in 2 varieties, early ones had no notch
on the top of the reverse side, later ones had the notch. Both were the
same model and part number, HF1234 and 069248. I can find no reference to
any other horn being used, though the boys at Morris Garages would have happily
substituted another horn if Lucas was out of the 1234s for some reason, instead
of having cars sit waiting only for horns that would otherwise have been
shipped.
Both of the varieties of horn had acorn nuts around the rim that
had elongated domes, but neither used the fluted nuts. (Lucas later began
supplying the HF1234 horns with standard acorn nuts that were not elongated, I
have a NOS one of those.) The part number and date are stamped on the phenolic
insulator/wire holder over the 2 wire connections on the back side of the horn.
The cast metal bodies were not stamped.
Cheers,
George Wolf
British Auto Specialty
TC3452
From:
mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
Lodge
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:49 PM
To: TWilson@indy.rr.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com; diecuts@aol.com
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
Hello Tom. Lee,
I always understood that the taller, fluted nuts were pre-war and the notched
body was later in the TC production run, and I've never seen a date-stamped
body (unusually for Joe Lucas!). Always something new!
Regards, Lodge
--- On Tue, 3/11/09, diecuts@aol.com
wrote:
From: diecuts@aol.com
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
To: TWilson@indy.rr.com, mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 3 November, 2009, 6:01 PM
Hi Tom,
Mine is dated Feb 46, has the notch at the top in the body, and has fluted
chrome nuts, which are probably add-ons.
Will check out the #s and get back to you.
Cheers, Lee Jacobsen , Dearborn, MI TC0780
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom & Emily Wilson
To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:36 pm
Subject: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
The TC spec shows a Lucas Altette horn HF1234 as correct for the TC.
I've heard or read that th HF934 was used for a very brief time at the
beginning of TC production. This is essentially the same horn as the HF1234
except it has a pressed steel body and those pretty fluted chrome nuts.
Does anyone know details or particulars about the horns on early TCs?
Tom Wilson
TC0272 & 0273
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Thanks for the info on the horns.
It appears that there is a lot of 'wiggle room' with respect to nuts on the horns, and elongated dome nuts may be what are used rather than fluted, will have another look.
Also look for more dates, now that we know where to look. With all the crud on the horns, the date was probably not on the casting after all. My error.
Cheers, Lee Jacobsen, Dearborn, MI TC0780
-----Original Message-----
From: George Wolf
To: 'David Lodge' ; TWilson@indy.rr.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com; diecuts@aol.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 5, 2009 2:17 pm
Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
Tom, Lee, Lodge, & all.
The 1234 horn was in 2 varieties, early ones had no notch
on the top of the reverse side, later ones had the notch. Both were the
same model and part number, HF1234 and 069248. I can find no reference to
any other horn being used, though the boys at Morris Garages would have happily
substituted another horn if Lucas was out of the 1234s for some reason, instead
of having cars sit waiting only for horns that would otherwise have been
shipped.
Both of the varieties of horn had acorn nuts around the rim that
had elongated domes, but neither used the fluted nuts. (Lucas later began
supplying the HF1234 horns with standard acorn nuts that were not elongated, I
have a NOS one of those.) The part number and date are stamped on the phenolic
insulator/wire holder over the 2 wire connections on the back side of the horn.
The cast metal bodies were not stamped.
Cheers,
George Wolf
British Auto Specialty
TC3452
From:
mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David
Lodge
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:49 PM
To: TWilson@indy.rr.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com; diecuts@aol.com
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
Hello Tom. Lee,
I always understood that the taller, fluted nuts were pre-war and the notched
body was later in the TC production run, and I've never seen a date-stamped
body (unusually for Joe Lucas!). Always something new!
Regards, Lodge
--- On Tue, 3/11/09, diecuts@aol.com
wrote:
From: diecuts@aol.com
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
To: TWilson@indy.rr.com, mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 3 November, 2009, 6:01 PM
Hi Tom,
Mine is dated Feb 46, has the notch at the top in the body, and has fluted
chrome nuts, which are probably add-ons.
Will check out the #s and get back to you.
Cheers, Lee Jacobsen , Dearborn, MI TC0780
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom & Emily Wilson
To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:36 pm
Subject: [mg-tabc] Altette Horns
The TC spec shows a Lucas Altette horn HF1234 as correct for the TC.
I've heard or read that th HF934 was used for a very brief time at the
beginning of TC production. This is essentially the same horn as the HF1234
except it has a pressed steel body and those pretty fluted chrome nuts.
Does anyone know details or particulars about the horns on early TCs?
Tom Wilson
TC0272 & 0273
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Altette Horns
If this is a duplicate message, my apologies. The first one I wrote may
have gone to the TABC group owner instead of the group, as it's not yet
posted on the list.
What Altette horns used the fluted nuts, and what used the domed nuts to
attach the chrome ring on the front of the horn?
The Altette horn had many different Lucas part numbers, depending on type of
ring (chrome or painted) and the series. The HF917 (1930 to 1936) was
followed by the HF934 (1934 to 1948), followed by the HF1234 (1937 on).
The HF917 (1930 to 1936) and HF934 (1934 to 1948) Altette horn bodies were
pressed steel. These had 1/4" BSF or BSCY slotted cheesehead screws
inserted from the back of the body through the 6 holes to hold the chrome
ring. The FLUTED nut fit onto these screws, and this hardware was tightened
by using a screw driver on the screw head.
The HF1234 (1937 on) had a cast iron body, and the chrome ring was placed
onto 4 1BA and 2 1/4"BSF studs that are threaded into the cast iron body.
Then the DOME nuts (4 1BA and 2 1/4BSF) were tightened onto these studs to
hold the chrome ring (and internal parts) in place. The hardware on these
is tightened by using a socket or spanner on the dome nut.
The spanner size of the chrome dome nuts is smaller than a standard 1/4BSF
size.
The recess on the top of the cast iron body on the HF1234 appeard in 1949.
I THINK this information is accurate, but do not know for sure. Source of
info is data supplied by Lynn Isaac (Taff the Horn).
Tom Wilson
TC0272 & 0273
Zionsville, IN USA
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have gone to the TABC group owner instead of the group, as it's not yet
posted on the list.
What Altette horns used the fluted nuts, and what used the domed nuts to
attach the chrome ring on the front of the horn?
The Altette horn had many different Lucas part numbers, depending on type of
ring (chrome or painted) and the series. The HF917 (1930 to 1936) was
followed by the HF934 (1934 to 1948), followed by the HF1234 (1937 on).
The HF917 (1930 to 1936) and HF934 (1934 to 1948) Altette horn bodies were
pressed steel. These had 1/4" BSF or BSCY slotted cheesehead screws
inserted from the back of the body through the 6 holes to hold the chrome
ring. The FLUTED nut fit onto these screws, and this hardware was tightened
by using a screw driver on the screw head.
The HF1234 (1937 on) had a cast iron body, and the chrome ring was placed
onto 4 1BA and 2 1/4"BSF studs that are threaded into the cast iron body.
Then the DOME nuts (4 1BA and 2 1/4BSF) were tightened onto these studs to
hold the chrome ring (and internal parts) in place. The hardware on these
is tightened by using a socket or spanner on the dome nut.
The spanner size of the chrome dome nuts is smaller than a standard 1/4BSF
size.
The recess on the top of the cast iron body on the HF1234 appeard in 1949.
I THINK this information is accurate, but do not know for sure. Source of
info is data supplied by Lynn Isaac (Taff the Horn).
Tom Wilson
TC0272 & 0273
Zionsville, IN USA
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