Another Rear Axle question

[Greg Hoeft]

Hi All Coincidently I am also working a rear axle problem. The offside (drivers side) axle is stuck in the housing somewhere. The hub was a wobbly fit on the splines (visible play when rotated) and the knock off was filled with dif oil. There was no problem with removing the hub but the axle is trapped somewhere. It easily slides in and out about an inch. When pushing in it stops with a sharp clank sound that appears to come the pumpkin. When pulling out it stops with more of a clunk sound. There should be a bushing at the end of the axle shaft but I can move the axle up, down, left and right quit a lot so, if present, this bushing must be quite worn. The condition of the wheel end of the spline looks perfect. there is no sign of wear or rounding over on either the hub or the axle so, considering the wobbly fit to the hub, it seems that not many miles have been put on the car since the axle was fitted. Any advice on how to extract the axle? Greg Hoeft TC1814 "Venerable Vernette" _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

[Peter Roberts]

Greg, I'm sure others will comment that you can drive the shaft out of the differential from the other side. As I recall, I used a length of 1 inch pipe. What you do if both shafts are compromised I will leave to much wiser heads than mine. What has happened is that the interior splines have become compromised, possibly as a result of trying to "rock" the car between first and reverse. Burrs have built up at the free end of the splines and are preventing you from removing the shaft. There should be little or no wobble of the shaft in the tube. The shaft is supported in the tube by a brass bushing that has its internal surface grooved to throw diff oil back up the tube....which a brand new bushing will do for a few miles. Then, you get diff oil in the hub....and on your brake shoes! The solution to this is a set of Bob Grunau's hub nuts with integral oil seal. Put them on and you will be blessed with dry rear brake shoes. BTW, you will still want to install a new set of the brass bushings for support of the shaft...just drive them in about an inch or so from the face of the tube so you can clear the Speedy Sleeves that come with Bob's kit. _Peter

----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Hoeft" greghoeft@hotmail.com> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: [mg-tabc] Another Rear Axle question > Hi All > > Coincidently I am also working a rear axle problem. The offside (drivers > side) axle is stuck in the housing somewhere. > > The hub was a wobbly fit on the splines (visible play when rotated) and > the > knock off was filled with dif oil. There was no problem with removing the > hub but the axle is trapped somewhere. It easily slides in and out about > an > inch. When pushing in it stops with a sharp clank sound that appears to > come the pumpkin. When pulling out it stops with more of a clunk sound. > There should be a bushing at the end of the axle shaft but I can move the > axle up, down, left and right quit a lot so, if present, this bushing must > be quite worn. > > The condition of the wheel end of the spline looks perfect. there is no > sign of wear or rounding over on either the hub or the axle so, > considering > the wobbly fit to the hub, it seems that not many miles have been put on > the > car since the axle was fitted. > > Any advice on how to extract the axle? > > Greg Hoeft > TC1814 "Venerable Vernette" > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[fnitz]

Greg, I'm pretty sure you are having the same problem that I had. My axle shaft was loose in the hub and slid back and forth enough times that it had mushroomed on the inner end from banging against the spider. I had to drive it out from the other side using a 4 foot long piece of 1/2" drill rod. Good luck. Fred TC1353 -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Hoeft Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:51 AM To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mg-tabc] Another Rear Axle question Hi All Coincidently I am also working a rear axle problem. The offside (drivers side) axle is stuck in the housing somewhere. The hub was a wobbly fit on the splines (visible play when rotated) and the knock off was filled with dif oil. There was no problem with removing the hub but the axle is trapped somewhere. It easily slides in and out about an inch. When pushing in it stops with a sharp clank sound that appears to come the pumpkin. When pulling out it stops with more of a clunk sound. There should be a bushing at the end of the axle shaft but I can move the axle up, down, left and right quit a lot so, if present, this bushing must be quite worn. The condition of the wheel end of the spline looks perfect. there is no sign of wear or rounding over on either the hub or the axle so, considering the wobbly fit to the hub, it seems that not many miles have been put on the car since the axle was fitted. Any advice on how to extract the axle? Greg Hoeft TC1814 "Venerable Vernette" _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Yahoo! Groups Links

[Paroor]

Dear Peter, As you wrote the best solution comes from Bob. But in the original differential carrier there are two bushes at the ends throwing the oil back and keeping the brakes shoes dry. Very often these invisible bushes are neglected. Mistake is also done while replacing by pressing in the wrong direction. There is a difference between the near side (passenger side) bush and off side ( driver side )bush. It also had to be replaced when worn out. If it is sitting proper the oil will not come out that easy. That is how it came out from the factory. Very often the after market bushes are made out of inferior Bronze. Madhu TC 0448 -----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- Von: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Peter Roberts Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Juli 2005 22:10 An: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com; Greg Hoeft Betreff: Re: [mg-tabc] Another Rear Axle question Greg, I'm sure others will comment that you can drive the shaft out of the differential from the other side. As I recall, I used a length of 1 inch pipe. What you do if both shafts are compromised I will leave to much wiser heads than mine. What has happened is that the interior splines have become compromised, possibly as a result of trying to "rock" the car between first and reverse. Burrs have built up at the free end of the splines and are preventing you from removing the shaft. There should be little or no wobble of the shaft in the tube. The shaft is supported in the tube by a brass bushing that has its internal surface grooved to throw diff oil back up the tube....which a brand new bushing will do for a few miles. Then, you get diff oil in the hub....and on your brake shoes! The solution to this is a set of Bob Grunau's hub nuts with integral oil seal. Put them on and you will be blessed with dry rear brake shoes. BTW, you will still want to install a new set of the brass bushings for support of the shaft...just drive them in about an inch or so from the face of the tube so you can clear the Speedy Sleeves that come with Bob's kit. _Peter

----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Hoeft" greghoeft@hotmail.com> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: [mg-tabc] Another Rear Axle question > Hi All > > Coincidently I am also working a rear axle problem. The offside (drivers > side) axle is stuck in the housing somewhere. > > The hub was a wobbly fit on the splines (visible play when rotated) and > the > knock off was filled with dif oil. There was no problem with removing the > hub but the axle is trapped somewhere. It easily slides in and out about > an > inch. When pushing in it stops with a sharp clank sound that appears to > come the pumpkin. When pulling out it stops with more of a clunk sound. > There should be a bushing at the end of the axle shaft but I can move the > axle up, down, left and right quit a lot so, if present, this bushing must > be quite worn. > > The condition of the wheel end of the spline looks perfect. there is no > sign of wear or rounding over on either the hub or the axle so, > considering > the wobbly fit to the hub, it seems that not many miles have been put on > the > car since the axle was fitted. > > Any advice on how to extract the axle? > > Greg Hoeft > TC1814 "Venerable Vernette"

[Greg Hoeft]

Here is a follow up on my original request. Thanks to all for responding to this question. Invaluable help and information! Since my near side axle and hub doesn't leak oil and appears to be tight I didn't want to yank it to drive out the off side. Also, my off side hub just slid off in my hand once the gasket seal was freed exposing only the end of the axle sticking out of the bearing carrier. As a last ditch effort I drilled and tapped the end of the axle shaft (1/4-20) and rigged up a puller using a short piece of pipe and a good quality bolt. It worked!! The axle slowly eased out. Result is as expected. The axle spline had been damaged (notched) where engaged with the spider causing excessive play mushrooming of material and prevented extraction. Time for some new parts. Greg Hoeft TC1415 "Venerable Vernette"

>From: "Greg Hoeft" greghoeft@hotmail.com> >To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [mg-tabc] Another Rear Axle question >Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:51:18 -0500 > >Hi All > >Coincidently I am also working a rear axle problem. The offside (drivers >side) axle is stuck in the housing somewhere. > >The hub was a wobbly fit on the splines (visible play when rotated) and the >knock off was filled with dif oil. There was no problem with removing the >hub but the axle is trapped somewhere. It easily slides in and out about >an >inch. When pushing in it stops with a sharp clank sound that appears to >come the pumpkin. When pulling out it stops with more of a clunk sound. >There should be a bushing at the end of the axle shaft but I can move the >axle up, down, left and right quit a lot so, if present, this bushing must >be quite worn. > >The condition of the wheel end of the spline looks perfect. there is no >sign of wear or rounding over on either the hub or the axle so, considering >the wobbly fit to the hub, it seems that not many miles have been put on >the >car since the axle was fitted. > >Any advice on how to extract the axle? > >Greg Hoeft >TC1814 "Venerable Vernette" > >_________________________________________________________________ >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

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