Address change and question

[jones/pike]

Group: I have a new e-mail address: thpthree@iglou.com. I am putting the cylinder head on block of TC 2481, getting ready to put rebuilt engine and transmission in restored chassis. Should I put washers under head nuts and, if yes, should they be lock or flat? What is torque setting for these nuts/studs? I know sequence but can't find a torque value. Tom Pike

[1939mgtb]

Hardened washers under the head nuts give you a more consistent torque reading and less brindling. Please, please don't put lock washers under head nuts (or bolts on other engines..) Best, Ray "Morology is our profession, our ONLY profession!"

----- Original Message ----- From: "jones/pike" hhjthp@iglou.com> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: [mg-tabc] Address change and question > Group: > > I have a new e-mail address: thpthree@iglou.com. > > I am putting the cylinder head on block of TC 2481, getting ready to put > rebuilt engine and transmission in restored chassis. Should I put washers > under head nuts and, if yes, should they be lock or flat? What is torque > setting for these nuts/studs? I know sequence but can't find a torque > value. > > Tom Pike > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[Liz Harris]

Hiya Tom, ...Ray`s right..no lockwashers of any kind...but I`m not sure of the benefits of hardened washers.....if I`m understanding Ray`s `brindling` as being the scoring of a mild steel washer by the nut/bolt head as it`s tightened, then this would provide enough of a locking action and presumably did when the engine was first built, ...........`if it ain`t broke, don`t mend it`.... Can`t help you with the torque value..only to say that the figure quoted in `Malcolm Green`s `T` RESTORATION GUIDE` for a TD is 500 lb/in...... All the best and enjoy your rebuild.....Tweed (not Liz....) TC 2259... 1939mgtb 1939mgtb@comcast.net> wrote: Hardened washers under the head nuts give you a more consistent torque reading and less brindling. Please, please don't put lock washers under head nuts (or bolts on other engines..) Best, Ray "Morology is our profession, our ONLY profession!"

----- Original Message ----- From: "jones/pike" To: Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: [mg-tabc] Address change and question > Group: > > I have a new e-mail address: thpthree@iglou.com. > > I am putting the cylinder head on block of TC 2481, getting ready to put > rebuilt engine and transmission in restored chassis. Should I put washers > under head nuts and, if yes, should they be lock or flat? What is torque > setting for these nuts/studs? I know sequence but can't find a torque > value. > > Tom Pike > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[David Lodge]

Hello Tweed, My wife insists that my motto should be: "If it isn't broken, fix it until it is broken!" The nerve! Regards, David Lodge ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- From: "Liz Harris" lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com,"jones/pike" hhjthp@iglou.com> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Address change and question Date: 8.5.2005 - 21:56:42

> Hiya Tom, ...Ray`s right..no lockwashers of any > kind...but I`m not sure of the benefits of hardened > washers.....if I`m understanding Ray`s `brindling` as > being the scoring of a mild steel washer by the > nut/bolt head as it`s tightened, then this would > provide enough of a locking action and presumably did > when the engine was first built, ...........`if it > ain`t broke, don`t mend it`.... > Can`t help you with the torque value..only to say that > the figure quoted in `Malcolm Green`s `T` RESTORATION > GUIDE` for a TD is 500 lb/in...... > > All the best and enjoy your rebuild.....Tweed (not > Liz....) TC 2259... > > 1939mgtb 1939mgtb@comcast.net> wrote: > Hardened washers under the head nuts give you a more > consistent torque > reading and less brindling. > Please, please don't put lock washers under head nuts > (or bolts on other > engines..) > Best, > Ray > "Morology is our profession, > our ONLY profession!" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jones/pike" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 5:54 PM > Subject: [mg-tabc] Address change and question > > > > Group: > > > > I have a new e-mail address: thpthree@iglou.com. > > > > I am putting the cylinder head on block of TC 2481, > > getting ready to put > > rebuilt engine and transmission in restored chassis. > > Should I put washers > > under head nuts and, if yes, should they be lock or > > flat? What is torque > > setting for these nuts/studs? I know sequence but > > can't find a torque > > value. > > > > Tom Pike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

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[1939mgtb]

There is no need of any locking device of any type on the head nuts. Brindling makes for inconsistant torque readings as the nut goes over the little shreded bits of steel. A hardened washer gives a true torque reading. But then these engines were put together in a somewhat less than modern manner, right? On the other hand, I don't build my V-8 racing engines the same way they were put together in the mid-60's, either. We use sonic cleaning, long-rod technology, etc. to make them more reliable. The old method works: use it if you like. No dog in this hunt! Best, Ray "Morology is our profession, our ONLY profession!"

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lodge" archie_ponsonby@post.cz> To: lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>; hhjthp@iglou.com> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Address change and question Hello Tweed, My wife insists that my motto should be: "If it isn't broken, fix it until it is broken!" The nerve! Regards, David Lodge ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- From: "Liz Harris" lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com,"jones/pike" hhjthp@iglou.com> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Address change and question Date: 8.5.2005 - 21:56:42 > Hiya Tom, ...Ray`s right..no lockwashers of any > kind...but I`m not sure of the benefits of hardened > washers.....if I`m understanding Ray`s `brindling` as > being the scoring of a mild steel washer by the > nut/bolt head as it`s tightened, then this would > provide enough of a locking action and presumably did > when the engine was first built, ...........`if it > ain`t broke, don`t mend it`.... > Can`t help you with the torque value..only to say that > the figure quoted in `Malcolm Green`s `T` RESTORATION > GUIDE` for a TD is 500 lb/in...... > > All the best and enjoy your rebuild.....Tweed (not > Liz....) TC 2259... > > 1939mgtb 1939mgtb@comcast.net> wrote: > Hardened washers under the head nuts give you a more > consistent torque > reading and less brindling. > Please, please don't put lock washers under head nuts > (or bolts on other > engines..) > Best, > Ray > "Morology is our profession, > our ONLY profession!" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jones/pike" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 5:54 PM > Subject: [mg-tabc] Address change and question > > > > Group: > > > > I have a new e-mail address: thpthree@iglou.com. > > > > I am putting the cylinder head on block of TC 2481, > > getting ready to put > > rebuilt engine and transmission in restored chassis. > > Should I put washers > > under head nuts and, if yes, should they be lock or > > flat? What is torque > > setting for these nuts/studs? I know sequence but > > can't find a torque > > value. > > > > Tom Pike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Ochrana proti p esm rov n na drah linky. Ji dn vysok ty! VOLN internet alarm - je t bezpe n j surfov n ! Sta en i pou v n je ZDARMA na http://alarm.volny.cz Yahoo! Groups Links

[CasioCZ1]

My thanks to those who responded to my question about washers. You confirmed my understanding that hardened steel flat washers make sense and lock washers are not used. I located hardened washers today and torqued TC2481's head, looking forward to a few months from now XPAG 3148 firing up for teh first time sense 1969. Tom Pike on 5/8/05 4:44 PM, 1939mgtb at 1939mgtb@comcast.net wrote:

> There is no need of any locking device of any type on the head nuts. > Brindling makes for inconsistant torque readings as the nut goes over the > little shreded bits of steel. > A hardened washer gives a true torque reading. > But then these engines were put together in a somewhat less than modern > manner, right? > On the other hand, I don't build my V-8 racing engines the same way they > were put together in the mid-60's, either. We use sonic cleaning, long-rod > technology, etc. to make them more reliable. > The old method works: use it if you like. No dog in this hunt! > Best, > Ray > "Morology is our profession, > our ONLY profession!" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Lodge" archie_ponsonby@post.cz> > To: lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>; hhjthp@iglou.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:10 PM > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Address change and question > > > Hello Tweed, > > My wife insists that my motto should be: "If it isn't broken, fix > it until it is broken!" The nerve! > > Regards, David Lodge > > > > ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- > From: "Liz Harris" lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk> > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com,"jones/pike" hhjthp@iglou.com> > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Address change and question > Date: 8.5.2005 - 21:56:42 > >> Hiya Tom, ...Ray`s right..no lockwashers of any >> kind...but I`m not sure of the benefits of hardened >> washers.....if I`m understanding Ray`s `brindling` as >> being the scoring of a mild steel washer by the >> nut/bolt head as it`s tightened, then this would >> provide enough of a locking action and presumably did >> when the engine was first built, ...........`if it >> ain`t broke, don`t mend it`.... >> Can`t help you with the torque value..only to say that >> the figure quoted in `Malcolm Green`s `T` RESTORATION >> GUIDE` for a TD is 500 lb/in...... >> >> All the best and enjoy your rebuild.....Tweed (not >> Liz....) TC 2259... >> >> 1939mgtb 1939mgtb@comcast.net> wrote: >> Hardened washers under the head nuts give you a more >> consistent torque >> reading and less brindling. >> Please, please don't put lock washers under head nuts >> (or bolts on other >> engines..) >> Best, >> Ray >> "Morology is our profession, >> our ONLY profession!" >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "jones/pike" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 5:54 PM >> Subject: [mg-tabc] Address change and question >> >> >>> Group: >>> >>> I have a new e-mail address: thpthree@iglou.com. >>> >>> I am putting the cylinder head on block of TC 2481, >>> getting ready to put >>> rebuilt engine and transmission in restored chassis. >>> Should I put washers >>> under head nuts and, if yes, should they be lock or >>> flat? What is torque >>> setting for these nuts/studs? I know sequence but >>> can't find a torque >>> value. >>> >>> Tom Pike >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Send instant messages to your online friends >> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >