Engine Gray Paint

[TMcNam4510@aol.com]

Hey you folks, I am looking at Eastwoods "Ford Engine Gray" to paint TC 2850's engine. Does anyone know of this color and how close it is to original? The books tell me that the engine should be "dark gray". I am open to any opinions or ideas. Thanks, Tom TC 2850 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[1939mgtb]

** "Ford Engine Gray" to paint TC

> 2850's engine. Does anyone know of this color and how close it is to > original? > The books tell me that the engine should be "dark gray". I am open to > any

**Oh, Lord, here we go again!! :-0 Sing along! -Roll out the barrel, and we'll have a barrel of paint. Roll out the barrel, in 50 years it will look so quaint. Just a dab out of the one, and then one out of the other! The folks in the future can't see the past! So. Roll out the barrel, and we'll have a barrel of laughs! Etc.- Best, Ray "Morology is our profession, our ONLY profession!"

[LuckyFloridaLin@aol.com]

Dear Lads & Lassies: Battleship Grey is close enough for the engine compartment. Mother England had a lot left over from WWII. Personally I would rather have the same as the outside color. I remember this starting some 6 years back with the Badger et al having some delightful comentaries that lit up our site ad infinitum. Tally Ho! Thom Collins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[ian thomson]

I believe that the original grey was quite light with a slight green tinge. Ian Thomson --- TMcNam4510@aol.com wrote:

> Hey you folks, I am looking at Eastwoods "Ford > Engine Gray" to paint TC > 2850's engine. Does anyone know of this color and > how close it is to original? > The books tell me that the engine should be "dark > gray". I am open to any > opinions or ideas. Thanks, Tom TC 2850 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mg-tabc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > >

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[Greg Hoeft]

Engine grey and scuttle grey are different colors. At least on some cars at some time. Perusing published pictures of the TC assembly line with captions identifying the year as '47 show a darker colored engine and a lighter colored scuttle. Too early to be a maroon engine (?!?). Interestingly, the valve cover appears to be dull in these pictures and about the same shade as the scuttle. This could be an effect of the photographic processing techniques used but the scuttle and engine show a full range of shadows so I think the colors were indeed different at one time. Greg Hoeft TC1415 "Venerable Vernette"

>From: ian thomson i.thomson@talk21.com> >To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Engine Gray Paint >Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:15:01 +0100 (BST) > >I believe that the original grey was quite light with >a slight green tinge. > >Ian Thomson > >--- TMcNam4510@aol.com wrote: > > Hey you folks, I am looking at Eastwoods "Ford > > Engine Gray" to paint TC > > 2850's engine. Does anyone know of this color and > > how close it is to original? > > The books tell me that the engine should be "dark > > gray". I am open to any > > opinions or ideas. Thanks, Tom TC 2850 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > mg-tabc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ >How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday >snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

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[Maurice Paton]

I think they just used any old grey paint they could get hold of. Presumably some of it could even have been WWII surplus. There is also a very good chance that the people painting the engines used a different batch of paint to the ones painting the scuttles as they wouldn't have been painted at the same time. Perhaps to be truly authentic you should paint the engine and scuttle different shades of grey. Just mix some black with some white, that's probably what they did! Maurice Paton. TC9357 -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Hoeft Sent: Friday, 6 May 2005 5:37 a.m. To: i.thomson@talk21.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Engine Gray Paint Engine grey and scuttle grey are different colors. At least on some cars at some time. Perusing published pictures of the TC assembly line with captions identifying the year as '47 show a darker colored engine and a lighter colored scuttle. Too early to be a maroon engine (?!?). Interestingly, the valve cover appears to be dull in these pictures and about the same shade as the scuttle. This could be an effect of the photographic processing techniques used but the scuttle and engine show a full range of shadows so I think the colors were indeed different at one time. Greg Hoeft TC1415 "Venerable Vernette"

>From: ian thomson i.thomson@talk21.com> >To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Engine Gray Paint >Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:15:01 +0100 (BST) > >I believe that the original grey was quite light with >a slight green tinge. > >Ian Thomson > >--- TMcNam4510@aol.com wrote: > > Hey you folks, I am looking at Eastwoods "Ford > > Engine Gray" to paint TC > > 2850's engine. Does anyone know of this color and > > how close it is to original? > > The books tell me that the engine should be "dark > > gray". I am open to any > > opinions or ideas. Thanks, Tom TC 2850 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > mg-tabc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ >How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday >snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

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[Roger Furneaux]

hi Greg - you are correct: engines and bodies were made in separate factories, all part of the Morris empire, and it would be remarkable if the shades used were the same. Incidently, I think we can now discount the theory often bandied about, that "battleship grey" paint was used! They were a matte finish, bluer than the greeny-grey found on our cars, and the paint would have been formulated for brush application, not spraying. Anyway, what about the green engines??? Mine is green, copied from a small patch underneath the water pump that had not subsequently been covered with maroon. BTW, has anyone worked out a possible timescale of engine colours from the orangey-red of the MPJG, though TB and early TC before the Morris engines factory in Coventry finally settled on "M.G. red" ? ocTagonally TCRoger, TC0978, TC2365 Greg Hoeft wrote:

>Engine grey and scuttle grey are different colors. At least on some cars at >some time. Perusing published pictures of the TC assembly line with >captions identifying the year as '47 show a darker colored engine and a >lighter colored scuttle. Too early to be a maroon engine (?!?). >Interestingly, the valve cover appears to be dull in these pictures and >about the same shade as the scuttle. This could be an effect of the >photographic processing techniques used but the scuttle and engine show a >full range of shadows so I think the colors were indeed different at one >time.

[FrankGraham]

Roger, TC1862, a '46 police spec home model had traces of a fairly light low gloss grey paint on the bulkhead and a much darker green engine color than the grey-green that is presumed to be correct for later '47 models. I matched the colours that I found when restoring the car 32 years ago despite the insistence of the experts of the time who said the bulkhead should be body colour and the engine MG maroon. About 15 years or so ago, at a GOF when Mike Sherrill was visiting shortly after 'TCs Forever' was first published, he looked at my car and said it was the only early TC he had encountered in the US that had the correct bulkhead and engine colours, so I felt vindicated. The TC green engine colour seems closest to the olive green colour that is seen on pre war VA engines which is still darker than the grey green found on some TCs. (I'm restoring a '38 VA Tickford at the moment). My TC engine colour seems a bit darker green than the VA with less of an olive cast. I have some photos that show the engine colour on my Sebring MGA web site at http://safetyfast.homestead.com/home.html from my home page click the button to 'My AUTObiography' at the bottom of the page and it will take you to some photos of the TC during restoration. Regards, -- Frank < frankgraham@msn.com > ______________________

----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Furneaux" roger.46tc@virgin.net> To: "Greg Hoeft" greghoeft@hotmail.com> Cc: ".T-ABCs" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Engine Gray Paint > Anyway, what about the green engines??? Mine is green, copied from a small > patch underneath the water pump that had not subsequently been covered with > maroon. BTW, has anyone worked out a possible timescale of engine colours > from the orangey-red of the MPJG, though TB and early TC before the Morris > engines factory in Coventry finally settled on "M.G. red" ? > > ocTagonally > > TCRoger, TC0978, TC2365

[candahill@worldnet.att.net]

I still contend that they used whatever WWII surplus paint that was available. Must have been 100s of gallons of the stuff laying around in 1945 and 46. Some would be painted battleship gray and the next batch army green. And very likely the 2 got mixed to create a gray-green color. If this is true, then there is no such thing as a "correct" color for early engines and firewalls. The green engine/gray firewall combination looks nice to me but I've seen original unrestored firewalls that were definitely green. Just don't paint the engine Badger pink! Regards, Charles Hill -------------- Original message from "FrankGraham" frankgraham@msn.com>: --------------

> Roger, > TC1862, a '46 police spec home model had traces of a fairly light low gloss > grey paint on the bulkhead and a much darker green engine color than the > grey-green that is presumed to be correct for later '47 models. I matched > the colours that I found when restoring the car 32 years ago despite the > insistence of the experts of the time who said the bulkhead should be body > colour and the engine MG maroon. About 15 years or so ago, at a GOF when > Mike Sherrill was visiting shortly after 'TCs Forever' was first published, > he looked at my car and said it was the only early TC he had encountered in > the US that had the correct bulkhead and engine colours, so I felt > vindicated. The TC green engine colour seems closest to the olive green > colour that is seen on pre war VA engines which is still darker than the > grey green found on some TCs. (I'm restoring a '38 VA Tickford at the > moment). My TC engine colour seems a bit darker green than the VA with less > of an olive cast. I have some photos that show the engine colour on my > Sebring MGA web site at http://safetyfast.homestead.com/home.html from my > home page click the button to 'My AUTObiography' at the bottom of the page > and it will take you to some photos of the TC during restoration. > > Regards, > -- > Frank > < frankgraham@msn.com > > ______________________ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Furneaux" > To: "Greg Hoeft" > Cc: ".T-ABCs" > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 6:11 AM > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Engine Gray Paint > > > > Anyway, what about the green engines??? Mine is green, copied from a > small > > patch underneath the water pump that had not subsequently been covered > with > > maroon. BTW, has anyone worked out a possible timescale of engine colours > > from the orangey-red of the MPJG, though TB and early TC before the Morris > > engines factory in Coventry finally settled on "M.G. red" ? > > > > ocTagonally > > > > TCRoger, TC0978, TC2365 > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

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[1939mgtb]

**contend that they used whatever WWII surplus paint that was available. Must have been 100s of gallons of the stuff laying around in 1945 and 46. Some would be painted battleship gray and the next batch army green. And very likely the 2 got mixed to create a gray-green color. ** There were a LOT of Chevy's, Fords and Chrysler products painted OD green after WW2 here, too. After all, what could they do with all the paint after the contracts for Army work was cancelled? There was so much paint left over at various Naval yards around the States that even airline aircraft, trains and mobile homes were painted gray, as well as that funny slime green found inside various service items. There was enough white left over from the star painted on the sides of various vehicles, that whole buildings were painted with it! It was a good idea, too, as it was a heat reflector. The White House bears the same paint to this day. Later on, in the late '40's and early '50's, it was found that by mixing the remnants, an attractive varied light to dark brown could be made. This was used on all National Park trail railings... It was certainly a frugal world back then! Kidding! No jabs! Just fun... Best, Ray "Morology is our profession, our ONLY profession!"