Fwd: Safety question from T-ABC member Jim Pomeraning

[FDShade@aol.com]

In a message dated 3/25/2005 7:55:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, jimmich@charter.net writes: I would like to add seat belts to my TC this spring. I have my floor boards out of the car right now and I am in the process of replacing them and re-carpeting the car. So, its the perfect time to add belts if I am going to do it. I would prefer 3 point vs 2 point belts (to save my teeth from the steering wheel in case of an accident). I wonder things like: do I mount the base brackets under or above the floorboards, and where? If I go with traditional shoulder harness belts behind the driver & passengers, how and where do I mount the bases without cobbling up highly visual spots on my beautiful little car, and so on. I wonder, if any club members have gone through this exercise and have found a fit with any aftermarket belts, of if someone has gone out to a salvage yard and found a more late model vehicle that had belts that were compatible with a TC? I am considering going to a salvage yard myself, but, suspect I will be doing lots of trial-and-error efforts to find what I need. If anyone out there has gone though this, found their supply link and wishes to share details.....it would be much appreciated by many of us who love to drive the T cars. Please include even minor details (leanings) if you respond to this request. Thank You, Jim Pomeraning TC # 7157 Brighton, Michigan, USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Rick Waters]

I chose two-point belts, the "vintage" style from Moss. I used the body mounts just behind the door pillars for the outboard mounts. I made a right angle bracket to hold the belt. Inboard, I used the driveshaft tunnel mounting bolts (rear pair), again, using a bracket bent out of steel to hold the seat belt anchor bolt. I would like the third point, but my personal feeling is that there is not much point in attaching the third point to the wooden body structure, and to route it through a shoulder height swivel, then down to the floor is no better, as it would still depend on the wooden structure in the area above the rear wheel arch. The lap belts do add to the comfort on bumpy roads, and mounted as they are to the frame, undoubtedly contribute to occupant safety. -TC 7881 FDShade@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/25/2005 7:55:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, jimmich@charter.net writes: I would like to add seat belts to my TC this spring. I have my floor boards out of the car right now and I am in the process of replacing them and re-carpeting the car. So, its the perfect time to add belts if I am going to do it. I would prefer 3 point vs 2 point belts (to save my teeth from the steering wheel in case of an accident). I wonder things like: do I mount the base brackets under or above the floorboards, and where? If I go with traditional shoulder harness belts behind the driver & passengers, how and where do I mount the bases without cobbling up highly visual spots on my beautiful little car, and so on. I wonder, if any club members have gone through this exercise and have found a fit with any aftermarket belts, of if someone has gone out to a salvage yard and found a more late model vehicle that had belts that were compatible with a TC? I am considering going to a salvage yard myself, but, suspect I will be doing lots of trial-and-error efforts to find what I need. If anyone out there has gone though this, found their supply link and wishes to share details.....it would be much appreciated by many of us who love to drive the T cars. Please include even minor details (leanings) if you respond to this request. Thank You, Jim Pomeraning TC # 7157 Brighton, Michigan, USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -Rick Waters --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Terry Sanders]

We have beat this subject into the ground many times before so I suggest you research the archives before getting the thread going again. I won't repeat my TA T-bone story but if you are unfortunate enough to T bone a 4 door Chevy as I did, you will be very happy to have a 3 point belt and not a broken sternum or worse. Terry in oakland Rick Waters rwmgtc@yahoo.ca> wrote: I chose two-point belts, the "vintage" style from Moss. I used the body mounts just behind the door pillars for the outboard mounts. I made a right angle bracket to hold the belt. Inboard, I used the driveshaft tunnel mounting bolts (rear pair), again, using a bracket bent out of steel to hold the seat belt anchor bolt. I would like the third point, but my personal feeling is that there is not much point in attaching the third point to the wooden body structure, and to route it through a shoulder height swivel, then down to the floor is no better, as it would still depend on the wooden structure in the area above the rear wheel arch. The lap belts do add to the comfort on bumpy roads, and mounted as they are to the frame, undoubtedly contribute to occupant safety. -TC 7881 FDShade@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/25/2005 7:55:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, jimmich@charter.net writes: I would like to add seat belts to my TC this spring. I have my floor boards out of the car right now and I am in the process of replacing them and re-carpeting the car. So, its the perfect time to add belts if I am going to do it. I would prefer 3 point vs 2 point belts (to save my teeth from the steering wheel in case of an accident). I wonder things like: do I mount the base brackets under or above the floorboards, and where? If I go with traditional shoulder harness belts behind the driver & passengers, how and where do I mount the bases without cobbling up highly visual spots on my beautiful little car, and so on. I wonder, if any club members have gone through this exercise and have found a fit with any aftermarket belts, of if someone has gone out to a salvage yard and found a more late model vehicle that had belts that were compatible with a TC? I am considering going to a salvage yard myself, but, suspect I will be doing lots of trial-and-error efforts to find what I need. If anyone out there has gone though this, found their supply link and wishes to share details.....it would be much appreciated by many of us who love to drive the T cars. Please include even minor details (leanings) if you respond to this request. Thank You, Jim Pomeraning TC # 7157 Brighton, Michigan, USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -Rick Waters --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Charles Hill]

I don't have any belts in my TC yet. I do have 3-point belt in my Morgan +4 which has similar construction to the TC. They were installed by a previous owner. The 2 lap belt mounts on this car are easier as there is a convenient chassis crossmember. For the shoulder strap, there is an inertia reel mounted on the inner wheel arch with a steel achor strap from the reel to the chassis. So all 3 points are secured to the chassis. For a couple of pictures check http://chillmog.home.att.net/seatbelt.html Charles Hill Rick Waters wrote:

>I chose two-point belts, the "vintage" style from Moss. I used the body mounts just behind the door pillars for the outboard mounts. I made a right angle bracket to hold the belt. > >Inboard, I used the driveshaft tunnel mounting bolts (rear pair), again, using a bracket bent out of steel to hold the seat belt anchor bolt. > >I would like the third point, but my personal feeling is that there is not much point in attaching the third point to the wooden body structure, and to route it through a shoulder height swivel, then down to the floor is no better, as it would still depend on the wooden structure in the area above the rear wheel arch. > >The lap belts do add to the comfort on bumpy roads, and mounted as they are to the frame, undoubtedly contribute to occupant safety. > >-TC 7881 > >FDShade@aol.com wrote: > > >In a message dated 3/25/2005 7:55:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, >jimmich@charter.net writes: > >I would like to add seat belts to my TC this spring. I have my floor boards >out of the car right now and I am in the process of replacing them and >re-carpeting the car. So, its the perfect time to add belts if I am going to do >it. > >I would prefer 3 point vs 2 point belts (to save my teeth from the steering >wheel in case of an accident). I wonder things like: do I mount the base >brackets under or above the floorboards, and where? If I go with traditional >shoulder harness belts behind the driver & passengers, how and where do I mount >the bases without cobbling up highly visual spots on my beautiful little >car, and so on. > >I wonder, if any club members have gone through this exercise and have found >a fit with any aftermarket belts, of if someone has gone out to a salvage >yard and found a more late model vehicle that had belts that were compatible >with a TC? I am considering going to a salvage yard myself, but, suspect I >will be doing lots of trial-and-error efforts to find what I need. > >If anyone out there has gone though this, found their supply link and wishes >to share details.....it would be much appreciated by many of us who love to >drive the T cars. Please include even minor details (leanings) if you >respond to this request. > >Thank You, > >Jim Pomeraning > >TC # 7157 >Brighton, Michigan, USA > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >-Rick Waters > > >--------------------------------- >Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

[tony goodall]

Jim Terry is right - see the technology files on the TABC website for pictures and description of 3 point fixing Tony TC9825

On 31 Mar 2005, at 06:02, Terry Sanders wrote: > > We have beat this subject into the ground many times before so I > suggest you research the archives before getting the thread going > again. I won't repeat my TA T-bone story but if you are unfortunate > enough to T bone a 4 door Chevy as I did, you will be very happy to > have a 3 point belt and not a broken sternum or worse. > Terry in oakland > > Rick Waters rwmgtc@yahoo.ca> wrote: > > I chose two-point belts, the "vintage" style from Moss. I used the > body mounts just behind the door pillars for the outboard mounts. I > made a right angle bracket to hold the belt. > > Inboard, I used the driveshaft tunnel mounting bolts (rear pair), > again, using a bracket bent out of steel to hold the seat belt anchor > bolt. > > I would like the third point, but my personal feeling is that there is > not much point in attaching the third point to the wooden body > structure, and to route it through a shoulder height swivel, then down > to the floor is no better, as it would still depend on the wooden > structure in the area above the rear wheel arch. > > The lap belts do add to the comfort on bumpy roads, and mounted as > they are to the frame, undoubtedly contribute to occupant safety. > > -TC 7881 > > FDShade@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/25/2005 7:55:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, > jimmich@charter.net writes: > > I would like to add seat belts to my TC this spring. I have my floor > boards > out of the car right now and I am in the process of replacing them and > re-carpeting the car. So, its the perfect time to add belts if I am > going to do > it. > > I would prefer 3 point vs 2 point belts (to save my teeth from the > steering > wheel in case of an accident). I wonder things like: do I mount the > base > brackets under or above the floorboards, and where? If I go with > traditional > shoulder harness belts behind the driver & passengers, how and where > do I mount > the bases without cobbling up highly visual spots on my beautiful > little > car, and so on. > > I wonder, if any club members have gone through this exercise and have > found > a fit with any aftermarket belts, of if someone has gone out to a > salvage > yard and found a more late model vehicle that had belts that were > compatible > with a TC? I am considering going to a salvage yard myself, but, > suspect I > will be doing lots of trial-and-error efforts to find what I need. > > If anyone out there has gone though this, found their supply link and > wishes > to share details.....it would be much appreciated by many of us who > love to > drive the T cars. Please include even minor details (leanings) if you > respond to this request. > > Thank You, > > Jim Pomeraning > > TC # 7157 > Brighton, Michigan, USA > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -Rick Waters > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

[Terry Sanders]

Hey Charles, is that the petrol pipe I see running over the top of the wheel well inside the car? Terry Charles Hill candahill@worldnet.att.net> wrote: I don't have any belts in my TC yet. I do have 3-point belt in my Morgan +4 which has similar construction to the TC. They were installed by a previous owner. The 2 lap belt mounts on this car are easier as there is a convenient chassis crossmember. For the shoulder strap, there is an inertia reel mounted on the inner wheel arch with a steel achor strap from the reel to the chassis. So all 3 points are secured to the chassis. For a couple of pictures check http://chillmog.home.att.net/seatbelt.html Charles Hill Rick Waters wrote:

>I chose two-point belts, the "vintage" style from Moss. I used the body mounts just behind the door pillars for the outboard mounts. I made a right angle bracket to hold the belt. > >Inboard, I used the driveshaft tunnel mounting bolts (rear pair), again, using a bracket bent out of steel to hold the seat belt anchor bolt. > >I would like the third point, but my personal feeling is that there is not much point in attaching the third point to the wooden body structure, and to route it through a shoulder height swivel, then down to the floor is no better, as it would still depend on the wooden structure in the area above the rear wheel arch. > >The lap belts do add to the comfort on bumpy roads, and mounted as they are to the frame, undoubtedly contribute to occupant safety. > >-TC 7881 > >FDShade@aol.com wrote: > > >In a message dated 3/25/2005 7:55:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, >jimmich@charter.net writes: > >I would like to add seat belts to my TC this spring. I have my floor boards >out of the car right now and I am in the process of replacing them and >re-carpeting the car. So, its the perfect time to add belts if I am going to do >it. > >I would prefer 3 point vs 2 point belts (to save my teeth from the steering >wheel in case of an accident). I wonder things like: do I mount the base >brackets under or above the floorboards, and where? If I go with traditional >shoulder harness belts behind the driver & passengers, how and where do I mount >the bases without cobbling up highly visual spots on my beautiful little >car, and so on. > >I wonder, if any club members have gone through this exercise and have found >a fit with any aftermarket belts, of if someone has gone out to a salvage >yard and found a more late model vehicle that had belts that were compatible >with a TC? I am considering going to a salvage yard myself, but, suspect I >will be doing lots of trial-and-error efforts to find what I need. > >If anyone out there has gone though this, found their supply link and wishes >to share details.....it would be much appreciated by many of us who love to >drive the T cars. Please include even minor details (leanings) if you >respond to this request. > >Thank You, > >Jim Pomeraning > >TC # 7157 >Brighton, Michigan, USA > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >-Rick Waters > > >--------------------------------- >Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

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[Jeff Redman]

G'day Gents, FWIW... I have run for a number of years a full-harness in my TC. Either side of the lap is much as has been described. The shoulder belts are attached to the bolt holding the tank strap on the R/H side. (This has proved quite acceptable to scrutineers at numerous race meetings!) If I go in a big way, well, it's not going to matter much, as the tank will most likely come with me... literally in blaze of glory! I don't know about you blokes, but if my time's up... and I'm in the TC, at least I'll be happy to go in the way of my choosing... and we'll probably be an item on the six o'clock news. 15 minutes of flame? Reddo -----Original Message----- From: tony goodall [mailto:tonygoodall@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2005 5:57 PM To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Fwd: Safety question from T-ABC member Jim Pomeraning Jim Terry is right - see the technology files on the TABC website for pictures and description of 3 point fixing Tony TC9825

On 31 Mar 2005, at 06:02, Terry Sanders wrote: > > We have beat this subject into the ground many times before so I > suggest you research the archives before getting the thread going > again. I won't repeat my TA T-bone story but if you are unfortunate > enough to T bone a 4 door Chevy as I did, you will be very happy to > have a 3 point belt and not a broken sternum or worse. > Terry in oakland > > Rick Waters rwmgtc@yahoo.ca> wrote: > > I chose two-point belts, the "vintage" style from Moss. I used the > body mounts just behind the door pillars for the outboard mounts. I > made a right angle bracket to hold the belt. > > Inboard, I used the driveshaft tunnel mounting bolts (rear pair), > again, using a bracket bent out of steel to hold the seat belt anchor > bolt. > > I would like the third point, but my personal feeling is that there is > not much point in attaching the third point to the wooden body > structure, and to route it through a shoulder height swivel, then down > to the floor is no better, as it would still depend on the wooden > structure in the area above the rear wheel arch. > > The lap belts do add to the comfort on bumpy roads, and mounted as > they are to the frame, undoubtedly contribute to occupant safety. > > -TC 7881 > > FDShade@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/25/2005 7:55:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, > jimmich@charter.net writes: > > I would like to add seat belts to my TC this spring. I have my floor > boards > out of the car right now and I am in the process of replacing them and > re-carpeting the car. So, its the perfect time to add belts if I am > going to do > it. > > I would prefer 3 point vs 2 point belts (to save my teeth from the > steering > wheel in case of an accident). I wonder things like: do I mount the > base > brackets under or above the floorboards, and where? If I go with > traditional > shoulder harness belts behind the driver & passengers, how and where > do I mount > the bases without cobbling up highly visual spots on my beautiful > little > car, and so on. > > I wonder, if any club members have gone through this exercise and have > found > a fit with any aftermarket belts, of if someone has gone out to a > salvage > yard and found a more late model vehicle that had belts that were > compatible > with a TC? I am considering going to a salvage yard myself, but, > suspect I > will be doing lots of trial-and-error efforts to find what I need. > > If anyone out there has gone though this, found their supply link and > wishes > to share details.....it would be much appreciated by many of us who > love to > drive the T cars. Please include even minor details (leanings) if you > respond to this request. > > Thank You, > > Jim Pomeraning > > TC # 7157 > Brighton, Michigan, USA > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -Rick Waters > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links