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[Bruce J. Obbink]

Whom ever it is that is in charge of removing names, please remove me from the list. There is way too much infection and too many people that are not interested in prevention. I'm out of here. Sooner or later this stuff will get past Norton and McAfee and what ever else is out there. And that will be costly and too much trouble to deal with. Please, take me off the list, NOW! Bruce Obbink bruceobbink@mbayweb.com. Bruce

[Chip Old]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Bruce J. Obbink wrote to TABC List:

> Whom ever it is that is in charge of removing names, please remove me > from the list. There is way too much infection and too many people that > are not interested in prevention. I'm out of here. Sooner or later this > stuff will get past Norton and McAfee and what ever else is out there. > And that will be costly and too much trouble to deal with. > > Please, take me off the list, NOW!

Bruce, *you* subscribed to the MG-TABC list, so *you* are in charge of unsubscribing. When you subscribed you received instructions for using the list, including how to unsubscribe. You did save that information, didn't you? If not, I'm sure Jim or Walter will be kind enough to explain it to you. Your assessment of the virus situation on the MG-TABC list is completely unfair. There is a huge difference between not being interested in preventing viruses (your assessment) and not knowing how. I've seen no indication that MG-TABC list members don't care, but I *have* seen a lot of evidence that they don't know how. I run an ISP business, so I deal with this every day. The average ISP customer got a PC, heard about this neat thing called the Internet, wanted it, and signed up for an Internet connection before they even knew how to use the PC very well. They know almost nothing about the perils of the Internet (viruses, spam, porno, etc), so they have a pretty steep learning curve ahead of them. That's why I try to keep my customers informed about the latest virus threats. That's also why when a virus hits the MG-TABC list I try to provide as much information as possible about it. Most of the people on this list aren't sophisticated PC or Internet users, but they're doing the best they can and seem willing to learn. Now, if you're really so afraid of viruses that might get past your anti-virus software, then whether or not you stay on the MG-TABC list isn't going to make a bit of difference. You might as well pack your PC back into the boxes it came in and stash it away in the attic. That's the only way to be completely safe. -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E fold@bcpl.net

[Orlando llenza]

please remove my name also. --- Chip Old fold@bcpl.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Bruce J. Obbink wrote to TABC > List: > > > Whom ever it is that is in charge of removing > names, please remove me > > from the list. There is way too much infection and > too many people that > > are not interested in prevention. I'm out of here. > Sooner or later this > > stuff will get past Norton and McAfee and what > ever else is out there. > > And that will be costly and too much trouble to > deal with. > > > > Please, take me off the list, NOW! > > Bruce, *you* subscribed to the MG-TABC list, so > *you* are in charge of > unsubscribing. When you subscribed you received > instructions for using > the list, including how to unsubscribe. You did > save that information, > didn't you? If not, I'm sure Jim or Walter will be > kind enough to explain > it to you. > > Your assessment of the virus situation on the > MG-TABC list is completely > unfair. There is a huge difference between not > being interested in > preventing viruses (your assessment) and not knowing > how. I've seen no > indication that MG-TABC list members don't care, but > I *have* seen a lot > of evidence that they don't know how. I run an ISP > business, so I deal > with this every day. The average ISP customer got a > PC, heard about this > neat thing called the Internet, wanted it, and > signed up for an Internet > connection before they even knew how to use the PC > very well. They know > almost nothing about the perils of the Internet > (viruses, spam, porno, > etc), so they have a pretty steep learning curve > ahead of them. That's > why I try to keep my customers informed about the > latest virus threats. > > That's also why when a virus hits the MG-TABC list I > try to provide as > much information as possible about it. Most of the > people on this list > aren't sophisticated PC or Internet users, but > they're doing the best they > can and seem willing to learn. > > Now, if you're really so afraid of viruses that > might get past your > anti-virus software, then whether or not you stay on > the MG-TABC list > isn't going to make a bit of difference. You might > as well pack your PC > back into the boxes it came in and stash it away in > the attic. That's the > only way to be completely safe. > > -- > Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 > XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 > Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO > CT3479E > fold@bcpl.net > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

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[David & Joyce Edgar]

I really hate to see anyone leave the list but if you really, really must, it should be quite easy. At the top of each message I receive from the Yahoo TABC groups is a line: List-Unsubscribe: mg-tabc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Click on that and you are off. No fuss or muss. If you don't see it there, just click on the link above. One other less permanent option that might work and you could have control over would be to set your email program to trash any messages from the mg-tabc. Your incoming messages from the group would go straight to the trash. I'm a Mac person so not sure if the infected messages could do any harm from the program's trash on a PC. It would probably make it harder to for you to open an infected message by mistake though. David Edgar, TC 5108 El Cajon, California

[Austin R. Baer]

To Chip and the group... I count myself among those who rely on others more knowledgeable than I to help to keep my emails clean, so I'm grateful that my ISP provides a service called POSTINI that screens both junk mail and viruses before they put it in my mailbox. It takes seconds to access the stuff on they keep on hold, and gives the user an opportunity to read it without opening it to make sure it's [i]not [/i]from someone you know, and then go through a global or selective delete for the rest. It also categorizes viruses separately from junk mail and porn. So far (about 1-1/2 years since the ISP added the service at no extra charge), it's caught it [b]all[/b], including the MG list's current problems. I assume (I hope correctly) that POSTINI uses its own anti-virus software as well as all the well-known products to sift the email for the ISP. I get, on average, 50-75 pieces of junk weekly, plus a varying (much smaller) collection of viruses that get stopped. They notify me to check the screened stuff at least once a week, and hold the trash for 14 days before automatically deleting it on their own. I have no participatory interest, of course, in this service, but I thought I'd pass it along for anyone who wants to suggest it (or there may be others that are similar) to their own ISP. A sample of the notices I get appears below. Similar notices that have collected junk mail only will also be sent. If anyone is interested in obtaining more information, you might want to access www.postini.com Chip is exactly right in his observations. The only safer thing I can think of (besides never getting on the web) is to own a computer store, print out all your email, and then scrap your machine every time it gets infected. Regards to all, Austin

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[Bullwinkle]

All: Unsubscribing from the list isn't going to help much. These viruses are sent from computers that have your email address stored in an address book or on old or new messages. You can still be sent a virus months or years later unless you change your email address. So, besides unsubscribing, you also need to get a new email address and all of the other problems that can create. Even after that, any infected computer which gets your new email address can infect you again. Blake