fasteners & vinyl

[John Patterson]

Hi T Fans- What is a good USA source for Whitworth fasteners. Have a friend who is doing a ground up restoration and needs nuts, bolts, etc to put the car together. He also needs some green vinyl to match the green upholstery set he bought from Moss and has tried to get some from Moss but they won't sell him any. Surely someone in this group knows where this vinyl (Naugahide) comes from. John Patterson Frankfort, MI TC7025

[Skip Kelsey]

John: Moss will sell the vinyl by the 54" yard. If they give you trouble let me know. I can get the vinyl from them. Skip Kelsey......................................................... At 04:12 PM 12/7/01 -0500, John Patterson wrote:

>Hi T Fans- What is a good USA source for Whitworth fasteners. Have a friend >who is doing a ground up restoration and needs nuts, bolts, etc to put the >car together. He also needs some green vinyl to match the green upholstery >set he bought from Moss and has tried to get some from Moss but they won't >sell him any. Surely someone in this group knows where this vinyl >(Naugahide) comes from. >John Patterson >Frankfort, MI >TC7025 > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Badger]

"..............a friend who is doing a ground up restoration and needs......................" A couple of technical questions relating to MGs: How does a "ground up" restoration differ from a "chassis up" restoration? Does a "chassis up" restoration ignore all parts from the chassis down? If so, does anyone ever do a chassis down restoration? Does a "ground up" restoration mean, as it implies - from the ground on up, that the lowest parts of the car, the tires I guess, are completed first and then restoration progresses in an upwardly fashion with the windscreen, sidescreens, and hood being the final parts to receive restoration attention? Has anyone ever attempted a sky-down restoration? Headlamp to tail lamp? Tail lamp to headlamp? Left front fender to right rear fender? I think it would be fun to do a restoration which started with the ignition key and radiated out in all directions. And finally: How can a car be "original" and "fully restored" at the same time? These two descriptions would seem to be mutually exclusive. I'm sure we would all benefit from having a working knowledge of the meanings of many of the terms which I see bandied about in list chatter. I, for one, would certainly like to have some of these confusing issues cleared up. The Badger

[Andrew Bradley]

I personally prefer a wax-in restoration. I tried a wax-out by mistake and got all embroiled with cosmic forces and such before throwing in the towel. Cheers...Andy

[paulhuck@bellsouth.net]

I am frequently ask, "did you restore it yourself?" When is the car 'restored' vs just 'fixed' ? If I rebuilt the brakes, re-wired the car and painted it, is that restored ? Not to me. I just repaired what was needed. There is no clear definition of the line between fixed or fixed up, repaired and the 'restored' condition. I find the less a person knows about old cars, the more these terms are used. PTH

----- Original Message ----- From: Badger mrbadger@home.com> To: MG-TABC mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] fasteners & vinyl > "..............a friend who is doing a ground up restoration and > needs......................" > > > A couple of technical questions relating to MGs: > How does a "ground up" restoration differ from a "chassis up" restoration? > Does a "chassis up" restoration ignore all parts from the chassis down? If > so, does anyone ever do a chassis down restoration? > Does a "ground up" restoration mean, as it implies - from the ground on up, > that the lowest parts of the car, the tires I guess, are completed first and > then restoration progresses in an upwardly fashion with the windscreen, > sidescreens, and hood being the final parts to receive restoration > attention? > Has anyone ever attempted a sky-down restoration? > Headlamp to tail lamp? > Tail lamp to headlamp? > Left front fender to right rear fender? > I think it would be fun to do a restoration which started with the ignition > key and radiated out in all directions. > And finally: > How can a car be "original" and "fully restored" at the same time? These > two descriptions would seem to be mutually exclusive. > I'm sure we would all benefit from having a working knowledge of the > meanings of many of the terms which I see bandied about in list chatter. I, > for one, would certainly like to have some of these confusing issues cleared > up. > The Badger > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[paulhuck@bellsouth.net]

Maybe you should have done a 'rust out' restoration.

----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Bradley abradley@cnw.com> To: Badger mrbadger@home.com>; MG-TABC mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] fasteners & vinyl > I personally prefer a wax-in restoration. I tried a wax-out by mistake and > got all embroiled with cosmic forces and such before throwing in the towel. > > Cheers...Andy > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[Want1937hd@aol.com]

Let's not forget all the good folks with 1958 Chevrolets that are "Classics", they wouldn't know a Blower Bentley if it ran them over! Bob TC4956

I am frequently ask, "did you restore it yourself?" When is the car 'restored' vs just 'fixed' ? If I rebuilt the brakes, re-wired the car and painted it, is that restored ? Not to me. I just repaired what was needed. There is no clear definition of the line between fixed or fixed up, repaired and the 'restored' condition. I find the less a person knows about old cars, the more these terms are used.