my 1st klr650

[jwflower53]

Anybody have suggestions as to what timing light to buy, just for the KLR's needs?   Thanks- James

[Mike Huber]

[Jeff Saline]

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[mark ward]

Hey Jeff Timing? what would happen, IF, when doing the shims, you get the chain off by 1 (+) link? James: Why are you asking about timing? just doing general service? (tuning etc?) 

[b]From:[/b] Jeff Saline [b]To:[/b] jwflower53@... [b]Cc:[/b] DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, April 28, 2014 9:53 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR Shopping timing lights   On 27 Apr 2014 20:28:51 -0700 writes:   Anybody have suggestions as to what timing light to buy, just for the KLR's needs?    Thanks- James <><><><><><> <><><><><><>   James,   If you really want to check the timing and don't have a friend with a timing light maybe check a pawn shop.  Another solution might be to go to an automotive repair shop and pay a tech $5 to hook their timing light to the bike.  It would only take them about 30 seconds.   Should be nothing to check unless you put the rotor on without the key or something got loose in the engine and knocked the pickup out of alignment.   KLR ignition timing is normally very stable.  In 11 years I never recall hearing of one being out of time for ignition.   Best, Jeff Saline The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650   . . . . .   ____________________________________________________________[b]STOP eating carbs[/b] #1 Trick to do BEFORE you eat carbs (every time) info.fixyourbloodsugar.com

[Jeff Saline]

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[RobertWichert]

As has been pointedly pointed out to me, you can't adjust the timing on a KLR 650, so a timing light isn't going to be useful for timing adjustment, but it could be useful for checking, I suppose. For me, I always recommend buying an ADJUSTABLE timing light. Similar to this: http://www.sears.com/craftsman-advanced-timing-light/p-00914065000P?sid=IDx01192011x000001&kpid=00914065000&kispla=00914065000P You really want that little knob. It allows you to choose your target timing and just look for the TDC mark. No trying to put additional marks on the flywheel. Cheers! Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 4/27/2014 8:28 PM, jwflower53@... wrote:

Anybody have suggestions as to what timing light to buy, just for the KLR's needs? Thanks- James

[mark ward]

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[b]From:[/b] RobertWichert [b]To:[/b] jwflower53@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, April 28, 2014 10:32 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR Shopping timing lights   As has been pointedly pointed out to me, you can't adjust the timing on a KLR 650, so a timing light isn't going to be useful for timing adjustment, but it could be useful for checking, I suppose. For me, I always recommend buying an ADJUSTABLE timing light.  Similar to this: http://www.sears.com/craftsman-advanced-timing-light/p-00914065000P?sid=IDx01192011x000001&kpid=00914065000&kispla=00914065000P  You really want that little knob.  It allows you to choose your target timing and just look for the TDC mark.  No trying to put additional marks on the flywheel. Cheers! Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/27/2014 8:28 PM, jwflower53@... wrote:   Anybody have suggestions as to what timing light to buy, just for the KLR's needs?   Thanks- James

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[mark ward]

Hey Jeff 1st. Timing? wondering why he feels he has an "issue", OR just doing PMS? 2nd. MORE POWER, as you said (I didn't know) that you can increase power, leaving out your air filter also "helps" with "More" power, But, (as I think you are saying) AT WHAT COST? Shorter engine life and reliability? I often worry about some "mods", I was raised in the stock car racing life, and as a teen wanted to remove my air filter, using the "logic" that the guys in the Pits used. By our Mechanic (& driver) explained, WE DON'T EXPECT THESE MOTORS TO LAST. (Sand ETC ETC., drawn into the carb & cylinders, DAMAGING things.) Moral of the story: More is NOT always better.  (Want MORE? rebuild your engine into a larger engine, as John B. did.)  

[b]From:[/b] Jeff Saline [b]To:[/b] nomad59@... [b]Cc:[/b] DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, April 28, 2014 10:26 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR Shopping timing lights   On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 07:07:08 -0700 (PDT) mark ward writes:   Hey Jeff Timing? what would happen, IF, when doing the shims, you get the chain off by 1 (+) link? <><><><><><><> <><><><><><><>   Mark,   That would change cam/valve timing but not ignition timing.  Ignition timing is locked to the position of the crankshaft/rotor interface with the ignition pickup coil located in the left outer case cover.  You could remove the cam chain and the ignition timing would not be affected.   There is a mod called the MC mod that advances the exhaust cam one tooth.  If I recall correctly it gives about 5% more hp just for moving one cam one tooth.  More is not better.  I've done this for two bikes, both having a relationship with RevMaaatin.  On the first one he came back from a ten minute ride and couldn't shut up about how much better it pulled all the way to the top of the rpm range.  I've heard that from others too.  One guy was having trouble figuring out when to shift without looking at the tach as the engine never stopped pulling.  He mentioned 8,000 rpm if I recall correctly.  Just no indication the engine was ready to add a gear.   If you got the cam chain off one tooth affecting both cams I think it would just affect engine performance in a negative way.  Better to be careful and only do the job one time.   I'm guessing that more than one tooth off might result in valve/piston contact and an opportunity to explore the inside of the combustion chamber.   Best, Jeff Saline The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . . . . . .   ____________________________________________________________[b]Old School Yearbook Pics[/b] View Class Yearbooks Online Free. 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[Glenn Rutkoski]

hi john,  was out of town & internet contact     from 4/17 until today 28th & it was in my mail box when i got in late last night        I'm old school & a hard copy in my hands feels  great this will be a great help. will put a thank u reply in the mail today.have a beer  or (soda) on me       started to page through it all ready.thanksGlenn On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 10:05 PM, John Biccum wrote:   Did you get the manual Glenn?   I should have reached you by now.  [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Glenn Rutkoski [b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, April 09, 2014 8:11 AM [b]To:[/b] mark ward; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] My 1st KLR650    That would be great john, thanks  I just need help with some basics to get going   yesterday in the Dark I triedto open the gas cap key didn't go all the way in or turn @ first  ( not opened in 8 months )  when it did finally turn I was trying to twist it off like my bike 20 years ago worked. then it popped open on a hinge ( I couldn't see) I felt real dumb. Quick look @ owener's  manual would have been nice. The Clymer that came with it didn't have a chapter on the gas cap lol   Thanks        Glenn Rutkoski    22 Earley Dr New Egypt NJ 08533                                                                                                                                                                                     On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 10:08 AM, mark ward nomad59@...> wrote:Another web page you WILL want to see 7 SAVE. (Google, etc.) BigCee KLR650

[b]From:[/b] "rutkoskig@..." rutkoskig@...> [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, April 9, 2014 8:43 AM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] My 1st KLR650  Bought a 2000 KLR 650 w/ 4000mi on OD 3 days ago joined MCI motor cycle club in NJ had all fluids air&oil filters changed, new plug safety check done by local mech.  & took my 1st street ride to the gas station in 20 years 8mi round trip felt GREAT!1. what aprox mpg will i get?  2. can I view a owners manual for 2000 on line somewhere? 3. best sight to VIEW cam tension repair? seeing works better than reading for me when possible   4.best value for online parts or is OEM a Must?      this bike appears all orig. with 2 new tires   can't wait to turn wrenches on this & ride again.  TKS  Glenn

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