did you see this? - hey dummies nklr

[nakedwaterskier]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztWs7RJ6Ne0>

[James W. Flower]

Makes me ashamed to ride. The clip starts with the gang blocking the Rover in for no known reason, then one of them pulling in front and stopping. I'd do exactly what the Rover did (drive through or over as many bikers as I had to to escape). Too bad guns are practically outlawed in NY; the Rover driver could have used one, and s/he'd have had the right to, imho.

[Andy Walling]

I wonder what happened after the video stopped, I cant imagine it turned out well for the rover, he looked pretty trapped. -Andy

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:50 AM, James W. Flower wrote: [u][/u] Makes me ashamed to ride. The clip starts with the gang blocking the Rover in for no known reason, then one of them pulling in front and stopping. I'd do exactly what the Rover did (drive through or over as many bikers as I had to to escape). Too bad guns are practically outlawed in NY; the Rover driver could have used one, and s/he'd have had the right to, imho.

[Ronald Criswell]

These A holes give bike riders a bad image I don't particualrly like. It is hard enough to deal with irresponsible bad cage drivers as a motorcyclist. We shouldn't throw gas on the fire. It is laready hard to find places to ride in the dirt. They have blocked off the freeways a couple of times in Dallas / Ft. Worth on purpose pissing people off. I lamost like the Hell's Angel type better. Criswell Criswell

On Oct 2, 2013, at 11:50 AM, James W. Flower wrote:   Makes me ashamed to ride. The clip starts with the gang blocking the Rover in for no known reason, then one of them pulling in front and stopping. I'd do exactly what the Rover did (drive through or over as many bikers as I had to to escape). Too bad guns are practically outlawed in NY; the Rover driver could have used one, and s/he'd have had the right to, imho.

[Mike Frey]

He got beat up pretty good, was treated for lacerations. I saw the news report long before I saw the video. It appears to be a KLR rider who first bashed in the window when the SUV driver finally came to a stop. On youtube, the comments are full of anti-bike comments, how they wish that the bikers had been shot, etc. I certainly don't side with the apparent gang mentality that probably took place, or the events that unfolded. That said, I think there is a part of the story that has not yet been reported: something happened before all of the mayhem. We don't know. A motorcyclist is highly vulnerable to road rage from any 4 wheeled vehicle. Therefore, I never express any anger towards a driver who pulled out in front of me, shook his fist at me, whatever. I ride as if all cars and trucks are out to get me. If an aggressive driver is behind me, I am going to do my best to get out of the way, get behind them, or find another road. Mike "never wave your middle finger at a car" Frey

On 10/2/2013 3:26 PM, Andy Walling wrote: > I wonder what happened after the video stopped, I cant imagine it > turned out well for the rover, he looked pretty trapped. > > -Andy > > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:50 AM, James W. Flower > wrote: > > Makes me ashamed to ride. The clip starts with the gang blocking > the Rover in for no known reason, then one of them pulling in > front and stopping. I'd do exactly what the Rover did (drive > through or over as many bikers as I had to to escape). > Too bad guns are practically outlawed in NY; the Rover driver > could have used one, and s/he'd have had the right to, imho. > > >

[Desert Datsuns]

There is more to the video, as was posted on a website somewhere. The bikers were being asshats LONG before the Range Rover incident. The original poster of the video deleted it form his page, presumably so the rest of the video couldn't be used as evidence against them, but someone else had already copied the video(s). They could be seen cutting people off, riding on the shoulder, and even riding the wrong way through traffic swerving between oncoming cars. That bunch is lucky things didn't go further south than it did, they're extremely lucky they didn't get shot, killed, maimed, etc. Ryan Phoenix, AZ Mike Frey wrote:

> He got beat up pretty good, was treated for lacerations. I saw the news > report long before I saw the video. It appears to be a KLR rider who > first bashed in the window when the SUV driver finally came to a stop. > > On youtube, the comments are full of anti-bike comments, how they wish > that the bikers had been shot, etc. > > I certainly don't side with the apparent gang mentality that probably > took place, or the events that unfolded. That said, I think there is a > part of the story that has not yet been reported: something happened > before all of the mayhem. We don't know. > > A motorcyclist is highly vulnerable to road rage from any 4 wheeled > vehicle. Therefore, I never express any anger towards a driver who > pulled out in front of me, shook his fist at me, whatever. I ride as if > all cars and trucks are out to get me. If an aggressive driver is behind > me, I am going to do my best to get out of the way, get behind them, or > find another road. > > Mike "never wave your middle finger at a car" Frey > > On 10/2/2013 3:26 PM, Andy Walling wrote: >> I wonder what happened after the video stopped, I cant imagine it >> turned out well for the rover, he looked pretty trapped. >> >> -Andy >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:50 AM, James W. Flower > > wrote: >> >> Makes me ashamed to ride. The clip starts with the gang blocking >> the Rover in for no known reason, then one of them pulling in >> front and stopping. I'd do exactly what the Rover did (drive >> through or over as many bikers as I had to to escape). >> Too bad guns are practically outlawed in NY; the Rover driver >> could have used one, and s/he'd have had the right to, imho. >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6218 - Release Date: 10/02/13 > >

[RobertWichert]

I do wave at them though. Nicely. Like "Yoo Hoo! Bet you didn't see me!" Usually from the lane-line. That's the safest place to be when somebody is pulling out in front of you, in my experience. Almost never anybody there, and if the adjacent left lane is empty, you can keep on moving left. I just wave and gas it. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 10/2/2013 3:34 PM, Mike Frey wrote: > He got beat up pretty good, was treated for lacerations. I saw the news > report long before I saw the video. It appears to be a KLR rider who > first bashed in the window when the SUV driver finally came to a stop. > > On youtube, the comments are full of anti-bike comments, how they wish > that the bikers had been shot, etc. > > I certainly don't side with the apparent gang mentality that probably > took place, or the events that unfolded. That said, I think there is a > part of the story that has not yet been reported: something happened > before all of the mayhem. We don't know. > > A motorcyclist is highly vulnerable to road rage from any 4 wheeled > vehicle. Therefore, I never express any anger towards a driver who > pulled out in front of me, shook his fist at me, whatever. I ride as if > all cars and trucks are out to get me. If an aggressive driver is behind > me, I am going to do my best to get out of the way, get behind them, or > find another road. > > Mike "never wave your middle finger at a car" Frey > > On 10/2/2013 3:26 PM, Andy Walling wrote: >> I wonder what happened after the video stopped, I cant imagine it >> turned out well for the rover, he looked pretty trapped. >> >> -Andy >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:50 AM, James W. Flower > > wrote: >> >> Makes me ashamed to ride. The clip starts with the gang blocking >> the Rover in for no known reason, then one of them pulling in >> front and stopping. I'd do exactly what the Rover did (drive >> through or over as many bikers as I had to to escape). >> Too bad guns are practically outlawed in NY; the Rover driver >> could have used one, and s/he'd have had the right to, imho. >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[RobertWichert]

This gives a good explanation... They were trying to stop traffic so somebody could pull a trick. Makes sense. Getting hit by the Rover would piss me off good. Getting run over, well, that is inexcusable. He should have just stopped. Idiot. http://www.autoblog.com/2013/09/30/land-rover-driver-caught-on-video-mowing-down-nyc-motorcyclists/ Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 10/2/2013 3:34 PM, Mike Frey wrote: > He got beat up pretty good, was treated for lacerations. I saw the news > report long before I saw the video. It appears to be a KLR rider who > first bashed in the window when the SUV driver finally came to a stop. > > On youtube, the comments are full of anti-bike comments, how they wish > that the bikers had been shot, etc. > > I certainly don't side with the apparent gang mentality that probably > took place, or the events that unfolded. That said, I think there is a > part of the story that has not yet been reported: something happened > before all of the mayhem. We don't know. > > A motorcyclist is highly vulnerable to road rage from any 4 wheeled > vehicle. Therefore, I never express any anger towards a driver who > pulled out in front of me, shook his fist at me, whatever. I ride as if > all cars and trucks are out to get me. If an aggressive driver is behind > me, I am going to do my best to get out of the way, get behind them, or > find another road. > > Mike "never wave your middle finger at a car" Frey > > On 10/2/2013 3:26 PM, Andy Walling wrote: >> I wonder what happened after the video stopped, I cant imagine it >> turned out well for the rover, he looked pretty trapped. >> >> -Andy >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:50 AM, James W. Flower > > wrote: >> >> Makes me ashamed to ride. The clip starts with the gang blocking >> the Rover in for no known reason, then one of them pulling in >> front and stopping. I'd do exactly what the Rover did (drive >> through or over as many bikers as I had to to escape). >> Too bad guns are practically outlawed in NY; the Rover driver >> could have used one, and s/he'd have had the right to, imho. >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[jim reinhart]

I doubt his reaction was malicious in intent. I bet he was thinking about his wife and child. I can see myself gunning the engine to get out of a pretty perilous situation.

[Stephen Watson]

Seriously? The one guy break checked him and then he was surrounded. No time no place was this the cage drivers fault. Dude was scared for himself, wife and child. Are you really condoning that it is okay for people on bikes to break the law by forcefully stopping traffic to do a trick?   [b]From:[/b] RobertWichert [b]To:[/b] Mike Frey [b]Cc:[/b] List KLR DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, October 2, 2013 6:17 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Did you see this? This gives a good explanation... They were trying to stop traffic so somebody could pull a trick.  Makes sense.  Getting hit by the Rover would piss me off good.  Getting run over, well, that is inexcusable.  He should have just stopped. Idiot. http://www.autoblog.com/2013/09/30/land ... rcyclists/ Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 10/2/2013 3:34 PM, Mike Frey wrote: > He got beat up pretty good, was treated for lacerations. I saw the news > report long before I saw the video. It appears to be a KLR rider who > first bashed in the window when the SUV driver finally came to a stop. > > On youtube, the comments are full of anti-bike comments, how they wish > that the bikers had been shot, etc. > > I certainly don't side with the apparent gang mentality that probably > took place, or the events that unfolded. That said, I think there is a > part of the story that has not yet been reported: something happened > before all of the mayhem. We don't know. > > A motorcyclist is highly vulnerable to road rage from any 4 wheeled > vehicle. Therefore, I never express any anger towards a driver who > pulled out in front of me, shook his fist at me, whatever. I ride as if > all cars and trucks are out to get me. If an aggressive driver is behind > me, I am going to do my best to get out of the way, get behind them, or > find another road. > > Mike "never wave your middle finger at a car" Frey > > On 10/2/2013 3:26 PM, Andy Walling wrote: >> I wonder what happened after the video stopped, I cant imagine it >> turned out well for the rover, he looked pretty trapped. >> >> -Andy >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:50 AM, James W. Flower > > wrote: >> >>      Makes me ashamed to ride. The clip starts with the gang blocking >>      the Rover in for no known reason, then one of them pulling in >>      front and stopping. I'd do exactly what the Rover did (drive >>      through or over as many bikers as I had to to escape). >>      Too bad guns are practically outlawed in NY; the Rover driver >>      could have used one, and s/he'd have had the right to, imho. >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com/ Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com/ List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/ Your email settings:     Individual Email | Traditional To change settings online go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/join     (Yahoo! ID required) To change settings via email:     DSN_KLR650-digest@yahoogroups.com     DSN_KLR650-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:     DSN_KLR650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:     http://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/