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[Lee Dodge]

Last night after reading the latest issue of Cycle World and the powerful recommendation the 5 testers gave the KLR ( See earlier posting), I gave Fred a call about the article and added a recommendation of an accessory that will /is transforming the suspension of the KLR damper rod ft. fork. That product is the Ricor inserts that literally transform the KLR fork into a Cartridge fork in terms is dynamic responses. This morning I had more ideas, (the morning after thing), as I remembered the only complaints the test4ers had of the KLR were "the rubber footpegs" and "the front suspension". all things considered thats pretty tame criticism and though quite constructive. Therein was the genesis of a proposal I'll describe as follows: If enough of us combine an order of the Ricor fork inserts (see links below) we could then negotiate with the manufacturer for a lower price than the already low price when considering what the product does. My thought was to collect commitments to buy to 1 point and then leverage that volume buy so 'the KLR community' or a significant proportion of it can improve your KLR. So where's the focal point to be? My next thought was . . How about Arrowhead? To me it was amazing that for $200 the testing riders at Cycle world would not have had even those 2 complaints, and many of us have already gotten the right foot pegs now we need to improve the suspension. YOUR THOUGHT? Lee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Fred Hink]

I sell the Race Tech Cartridge Emulator which was the original damper insert and uses the same velocity sensitive valving just like the Ricor model. I have installed lots of the Race Tech Cartridge Emullators and they work great. I m not sure why the Ricor unit doesn t say anything about the orifice in the damper rod. Since that is still in the system, you need to enlarge this orifice so that it is not having an effect on the damping. The damping is controlled by the shim stack and the spring pressure on these shims. Both units work the same and if the Ricor unit is not taking out the fixed orifice then I wonder if they are any better than the Cartridge Emulator or the stock unit. For late model KLRs the regular price on the Ricor is $299 (they have a sale listing them now at $180) where the Race Tech unit is $170. I ll call Ricor on Monday to see what they have to say about a quantity discount. Anyone seriously interested in the Intiminators please send me an email with Intininator in the subject line. The same for the Race Tech Cartridge Emulators, send me an email with Cartridge Emulator in the subject line. My experience with quantity buys is that there is usually a 10% price break with ten units sold. But that is up to the manufacturer and the seller. If there is enough interest in either unit, I will pass on the savings. I ll let you know what Ricor has to say on Monday. http://www.racetech.com/HTML_FILES/EMULATORGV.HTML http://store.ricorshocks.com/product_p/041-20-1001klr.htm Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: Lee Dodge Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 7:41 AM To: KLR Group Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Improvng your KLR If enough of us combine an order of the Ricor fork inserts (see links below) we could then negotiate with the manufacturer for a lower price than the already low price when considering what the product does. My thought was to collect commitments to buy to 1 point and then leverage that volume buy so 'the KLR community' or a significant proportion of it can improve your KLR. So where's the focal point to be? My next thought was . . How about Arrowhead? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[kl650a14]

Fred, From what I read the Ricor is designed to use a lighter (5w) weight oil and therefore the existing orifice and valving has no effect . The emulator does all the work and they are much simpler to install. Simply drain the oil, remove the spring fill with new lighter weight oil, drop them in, and replace the spring. Optional to shorten the spacer the thickness of the emulator to retain same spring preload. Walt

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > I sell the Race Tech Cartridge Emulator which was the original damper insert and uses the same velocity sensitive valving just like the Ricor model. I have installed lots of the Race Tech Cartridge Emullators and they work great. I m not sure why the Ricor unit doesn t say anything about the orifice in the damper rod. Since that is still in the system, you need to enlarge this orifice so that it is not having an effect on the damping. The damping is controlled by the shim stack and the spring pressure on these shims. Both units work the same and if the Ricor unit is not taking out the fixed orifice then I wonder if they are any better than the Cartridge Emulator or the stock unit. For late model KLRs the regular price on the Ricor is $299 (they have a sale listing them now at $180) where the Race Tech unit is $170. I ll call Ricor on Monday to see what they have to say about a quantity discount. Anyone seriously interested in the Intiminators please send me an email with Intininator in the subject line. The same for the Race Tech Cartridge Emulators, send me an email with Cartridge Emulator in the subject line. My experience with quantity buys is that there is usually a 10% price break with ten units sold. But that is up to the manufacturer and the seller. If there is enough interest in either unit, I will pass on the savings. > > I ll let you know what Ricor has to say on Monday. > > http://www.racetech.com/HTML_FILES/EMULATORGV.HTML > http://store.ricorshocks.com/product_p/041-20-1001klr.htm > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > From: Lee Dodge > Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 7:41 AM > To: KLR Group > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Improvng your KLR > > > If enough of us combine an order of the Ricor fork inserts (see links below) we > could then negotiate with the manufacturer for a lower price than the already > low price when considering what the product does. > > My thought was to collect commitments to buy to 1 point and then leverage that > volume buy so 'the KLR community' or a significant proportion of it can improve > your KLR. So where's the focal point to be? My next thought was . . How about > Arrowhead? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[mark ward]

Thought? A day late, (6months) AND WHAT A DIFFERANCE. I Installed the Ricors, last summer, and could feel the DIFFERANCE just leaving my driveway, (a short 40ft+- paved drive) I went in search of pot holes, street Curbs, etc to test them. WELLLLLLL Worth the money, Not just for the Ride, (Pavement Stret and Freeway AND DIRT,) But Also BRAKING. (NOSE DIIIIIIIIVES) Feels BETTER! You WILL NOT regret it. Great Idea to get bulk discount. PS. I did the Pivot pegs (From Fred of coasre) 3yrs ago, I LOVE The PIVOT action.

--- On Sat, 3/2/13, Lee Dodge wrote: From: Lee Dodge Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Improvng your KLR To: "KLR Group" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, March 2, 2013, 2:41 PM Last night after reading the latest issue of Cycle World and the powerful recommendation the 5 testers gave the KLR ( See earlier posting), I gave Fred a call about the article and added a recommendation of an accessory that will /is transforming the suspension of the KLR damper rod ft. fork. That product is the Ricor inserts that literally transform the KLR fork into a Cartridge fork in terms is dynamic responses. This morning I had more ideas, (the morning after thing), as I remembered the only complaints the test4ers had of the KLR were "the rubber footpegs" and "the front suspension". all things considered thats pretty tame criticism and though quite constructive. Therein was the genesis of a proposal I'll describe as follows: If enough of us combine an order of the Ricor fork inserts (see links below) we could then negotiate with the manufacturer for a lower price than the already low price when considering what the product does. My thought was to collect commitments to buy to 1 point and then leverage that volume buy so 'the KLR community' or a significant proportion of it can improve your KLR. So where's the focal point to be? My next thought was . . How about Arrowhead? To me it was amazing that for $200 the testing riders at Cycle world would not have had even those 2 complaints, and many of us have already gotten the right foot pegs now we need to improve the suspension. YOUR THOUGHT? Lee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Fred Hink]

"no effect" I am sorry to disagree with you. The Cartridge Emulators install the same way and if you want to believe the fixed orifice has no effect using 5wt. oil, that is your choice. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com -----Original Message----- From: kl650a14 Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:40 AM To: Fred Hink ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Improvng your KLR Fred, From what I read the Ricor is designed to use a lighter (5w) weight oil and therefore the existing orifice and valving has no effect . The emulator does all the work and they are much simpler to install. Simply drain the oil, remove the spring fill with new lighter weight oil, drop them in, and replace the spring. Optional to shorten the spacer the thickness of the emulator to retain same spring preload. Walt

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > I sell the Race Tech Cartridge Emulator which was the original damper > insert and uses the same velocity sensitive valving just like the Ricor > model. I have installed lots of the Race Tech Cartridge Emullators and > they work great. I m not sure why the Ricor unit doesn t say anything > about the orifice in the damper rod. Since that is still in the system, > you need to enlarge this orifice so that it is not having an effect on the > damping. The damping is controlled by the shim stack and the spring > pressure on these shims. Both units work the same and if the Ricor unit > is not taking out the fixed orifice then I wonder if they are any better > than the Cartridge Emulator or the stock unit. For late model KLRs the > regular price on the Ricor is $299 (they have a sale listing them now at > $180) where the Race Tech unit is $170. I ll call Ricor on Monday to > see what they have to say about a quantity discount. Anyone seriously > interested in the Intiminators please send me an email with > Intininator in the subject line. The same for the Race Tech Cartridge > Emulators, send me an email with Cartridge Emulator in the subject line. > My experience with quantity buys is that there is usually a 10% price > break with ten units sold. But that is up to the manufacturer and the > seller. If there is enough interest in either unit, I will pass on the > savings. > > I ll let you know what Ricor has to say on Monday. > > http://www.racetech.com/HTML_FILES/EMULATORGV.HTML > http://store.ricorshocks.com/product_p/041-20-1001klr.htm > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > From: Lee Dodge > Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 7:41 AM > To: KLR Group > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Improvng your KLR > > > If enough of us combine an order of the Ricor fork inserts (see links > below) we > could then negotiate with the manufacturer for a lower price than the > already > low price when considering what the product does. > > My thought was to collect commitments to buy to 1 point and then leverage > that > volume buy so 'the KLR community' or a significant proportion of it can > improve > your KLR. So where's the focal point to be? My next thought was . . How > about > Arrowhead? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[kl650a14]

Should have said "no effect to the way the Ricors work as designed" anyway this is my interpretation from what I read. I will try to find the info and post. The other brand cartridge emulators need more disassembly so you can enlarge the orifice while with the Ricor that is not necessary. Walt

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > "no effect" I am sorry to disagree with you. The Cartridge Emulators > install the same way and if you want to believe the fixed orifice has no > effect using 5wt. oil, that is your choice. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: kl650a14 > Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:40 AM > To: Fred Hink ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: Improvng your KLR > > Fred, From what I read the Ricor is designed to use a lighter (5w) weight > oil and therefore the existing orifice and valving has no effect . The > emulator does all the work and they are much simpler to install. Simply > drain the oil, remove the spring fill with new lighter weight oil, drop them > in, and replace the spring. Optional to shorten the spacer the thickness of > the emulator to retain same spring preload. > > Walt > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > > > I sell the Race Tech Cartridge Emulator which was the original damper > > insert and uses the same velocity sensitive valving just like the Ricor > > model. I have installed lots of the Race Tech Cartridge Emullators and > > they work great. I m not sure why the Ricor unit doesn t say anything > > about the orifice in the damper rod. Since that is still in the system, > > you need to enlarge this orifice so that it is not having an effect on the > > damping. The damping is controlled by the shim stack and the spring > > pressure on these shims. Both units work the same and if the Ricor unit > > is not taking out the fixed orifice then I wonder if they are any better > > than the Cartridge Emulator or the stock unit. For late model KLRs the > > regular price on the Ricor is $299 (they have a sale listing them now at > > $180) where the Race Tech unit is $170. I ll call Ricor on Monday to > > see what they have to say about a quantity discount. Anyone seriously > > interested in the "Intiminators please send me an email with > > Intininator in the subject line. The same for the Race Tech Cartridge > > Emulators, send me an email with Cartridge Emulator in the subject line. > > My experience with quantity buys is that there is usually a 10% price > > break with ten units sold. But that is up to the manufacturer and the > > seller. If there is enough interest in either unit, I will pass on the > > savings. > > > > I ll let you know what Ricor has to say on Monday. > > > > http://www.racetech.com/HTML_FILES/EMULATORGV.HTML > > http://store.ricorshocks.com/product_p/041-20-1001klr.htm > > > > Fred > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > > > From: Lee Dodge > > Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 7:41 AM > > To: KLR Group > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Improvng your KLR > > > > > > If enough of us combine an order of the Ricor fork inserts (see links > > below) we > > could then negotiate with the manufacturer for a lower price than the > > already > > low price when considering what the product does. > > > > My thought was to collect commitments to buy to 1 point and then leverage > > that > > volume buy so 'the KLR community' or a significant proportion of it can > > improve > > your KLR. So where's the focal point to be? My next thought was . . How > > about > > Arrowhead? > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

[kl650a14]

OK found it. They say "less of an issue" •Do I need to drill my damper rods? No. We use a lighter oil so the damper rod hole size becomes less of an issue. •I've already drilled my damper rod for a different product, is that ok? Yes. The INTIMINATOR controls the dampening, NOT the damper rod. Full FAQ here: http://store.ricorshocks.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=41 Walt

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "kl650a14" wrote: > > Should have said "no effect to the way the Ricors work as designed" anyway this is my interpretation from what I read. I will try to find the info and post. > > The other brand cartridge emulators need more disassembly so you can enlarge the orifice while with the Ricor that is not necessary. > > Walt > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > > > "no effect" I am sorry to disagree with you. The Cartridge Emulators > > install the same way and if you want to believe the fixed orifice has no > > effect using 5wt. oil, that is your choice. > > > > Fred > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > >

[Fred Hink]

Do you see the conflict in these statements? "less of an issue" / "INTIMINATOR controls the dampening, NOT the damper rod." You have to understand that most any manufacturer is going to play the words to sell their product. I don't believe most anything a manufacturer tells me as I know they are only trying to "sell" their product. The way the Ricor works is the same as the way the Cartridge Emulators work. I believe in supporting original thinking and Race Tech was first with this idea long before Ricor came out with their product. Sometimes when a company has to catch up with the competition they can make some bold statements. If you already have the Ricor units, use them and enjoy them. I am sure they will make a huge difference in the way the KLR forks work, but I wouldn't belittle the Race Tech units because they are basically the same, only cheaper. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: kl650a14 Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:18 AM To: kl650a14 ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Improvng your KLR OK found it. They say "less of an issue" Do I need to drill my damper rods? No. We use a lighter oil so the damper rod hole size becomes less of an issue. I've already drilled my damper rod for a different product, is that ok? Yes. The INTIMINATOR controls the dampening, NOT the damper rod. Full FAQ here: http://store.ricorshocks.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=41 Walt

--- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, "kl650a14" wrote: > > Should have said "no effect to the way the Ricors work as designed" anyway this is my interpretation from what I read. I will try to find the info and post. > > The other brand cartridge emulators need more disassembly so you can enlarge the orifice while with the Ricor that is not necessary. > > Walt > > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > > > "no effect" I am sorry to disagree with you. The Cartridge Emulators > > install the same way and if you want to believe the fixed orifice has no > > effect using 5wt. oil, that is your choice. > > > > Fred > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Desert Datsuns]

When it comes to tuning motorcycle forks, $179 is stupid cheap. Usually tuning a set of MX forks starts at $400, and goes way up from there. So at that price point, I think it's already on the cheap side, and 1) wouldn't balk at that price, and 2) doubt we could get it much cheaper. In addition, off all the things I feel the need to spend money on the KLR for, the forks isn't one of them. They're fine for most of what the KLR will see. And I'm a guy who tunes his MX forks. But with that said, seems some guys really like them, and if that's the case, then $179 is a great deal if it makes things that much better for those guys. I've seen metal footpegs for the KLR for sale before, maybe on ebay, not sure. So that should be easy, and relatively cheap. Ryan Phoenix, AZ Lee Dodge wrote:

> > > Last night after reading the latest issue of Cycle World and the powerful > recommendation the 5 testers gave the KLR ( See earlier posting), I gave > Fred a > call about the article and added a recommendation of an accessory that > will /is > transforming the suspension of the KLR damper rod ft. fork. That product is > the Ricor inserts that literally transform the KLR fork into a Cartridge > fork in > terms is dynamic responses. > This morning I had more ideas, (the morning after thing), as I > remembered the > only complaints the test4ers had of the KLR were "the rubber footpegs" > and "the > front suspension". all things considered thats pretty tame criticism and > though quite constructive. Therein was the genesis of a proposal I'll > describe > as follows: > If enough of us combine an order of the Ricor fork inserts (see links > below) we > could then negotiate with the manufacturer for a lower price than the > already > low price when considering what the product does. > > My thought was to collect commitments to buy to 1 point and then > leverage that > volume buy so 'the KLR community' or a significant proportion of it can > improve > your KLR. So where's the focal point to be? My next thought was . . How > about > Arrowhead? > To me it was amazing that for $200 the testing riders at Cycle world > would not > have had even those 2 complaints, and many of us have already gotten the > right > foot pegs now we need to improve the suspension. > YOUR THOUGHT? > Lee > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com> > Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2641/5642 - Release Date: 03/02/13 >

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

Never heard of these Ricor inserts, but 10 years ago, I got RaceTech "cartridge emulators" and they worked great in my KLR650. Not sure if they still make 'em, but they went for about $125 back then. Mark

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At 6:41 AM -0800 3/2/13, Lee Dodge wrote: That product is the Ricor inserts that literally transform the KLR fork into a Cartridge fork in terms is dynamic responses. This morning I had more ideas, (the morning after thing), as I remembered the only complaints the test4ers had of the KLR were "the rubber footpegs" and "the front suspension". all things considered thats pretty tame criticism and though quite constructive. Therein was the genesis of a proposal I'll describe as follows: If enough of us combine an order of the Ricor fork inserts (see links below) we could then negotiate with the manufacturer for a lower price than the already low price when considering what the product does. To me it was amazing that for $200 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]