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[Eric Lewis]

Howzit listers, Well here's another one for ya. The two-wire plug that goes to the starter relay is being a little fart. I cant tell if it is a loose connection in the plug, or there is a break in the wire somewhere. I just finished rewiring the brown wire that connects the starter button and kill switch unit and it worked nicely. And now this! The guy who owned the bike before me really didn't know what he was doing, why he did all this splicing is beyond me. Anyway, is there a place to get a new connector like this one? Can't find the part #. I have read the post about bypassing the starter circuit relay and am considering this but I still ahve this loose connection on the starter relay. TIA. Aloha, Eric A8 GL 1200

[Mark Wilson]

Hi Eric, I'm not sure what connector your talking about right off hand, but I do know the 2 wire plug that goes to the fuses, is the same connector that goes to the sidestand safety switch, I used the side stand safety switch plug for my fuse box modification. If that is the one you need, maybe somebody has an old sidestand safety switch plug that can be salvaged. Just a thought. MotorMark http://www.geocities.com/motormark64/ http://www.angelfire.com/mo/motormark/ KLR-650 A-13 "warthogg" XR250R "superfly" Stone Mountain, Ga ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Lewis To: DSN_klr650@egroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:07 AM Subject: [DSN_klr650] Starter Relay > Howzit listers, > Well here's another one for ya. The two-wire plug that goes to the > starter relay is being a little fart. I cant tell if it is a loose > connection in the plug, or there is a break in the wire somewhere. I > just finished rewiring the brown wire that connects the starter > button and kill switch unit and it worked nicely. And now this! The > guy who owned the bike before me really didn't know what he was > doing, why he did all this splicing is beyond me. Anyway, is there a > place to get a new connector like this one? Can't find the part #. > I have read the post about bypassing the starter circuit relay and am > considering this but I still ahve this loose connection on the > starter relay. TIA. > Aloha, Eric > A8 > GL 1200

[Eric and Rheva Lewis]

Mark, No, this one plugs directly in to the starter relay, it's square and only fits one way, but I'll try look at it in the morning to see if the other one would work. Thanks for the quick reply! Eric

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Wilson" To: DSN_klr650@egroups.com>; "Eric Lewis" Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Starter Relay > Hi Eric, > I'm not sure what connector your talking about right off hand, but I do know > the 2 wire plug that goes to the fuses, is the same connector that goes to > the sidestand safety switch, > I used the side stand safety switch plug for my fuse box modification. > If that is the one you need, maybe somebody has an old sidestand safety > switch plug that can be salvaged. > Just a thought. > > MotorMark > http://www.geocities.com/motormark64/ > http://www.angelfire.com/mo/motormark/ > KLR-650 A-13 "warthogg" > XR250R "superfly" > Stone Mountain, Ga > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Eric Lewis > To: DSN_klr650@egroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:07 AM > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Starter Relay > > > > Howzit listers, > > Well here's another one for ya. The two-wire plug that goes to the > > starter relay is being a little fart. I cant tell if it is a loose > > connection in the plug, or there is a break in the wire somewhere. I > > just finished rewiring the brown wire that connects the starter > > button and kill switch unit and it worked nicely. And now this! The > > guy who owned the bike before me really didn't know what he was > > doing, why he did all this splicing is beyond me. Anyway, is there a > > place to get a new connector like this one? Can't find the part #. > > I have read the post about bypassing the starter circuit relay and am > > considering this but I still ahve this loose connection on the > > starter relay. TIA. > > Aloha, Eric > > A8 > > GL 1200 > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > >

[Bill Holton]

I repaired the same plug on my 89 model. When I first bought it you had to hold it down to start. So I took it loose from the starter relay and stuck a tool in the small socket on each of the two pins and tightened up the female copper connectors inside the housing. These had become loose. You can gently doing this without changing out the connector if that is the problem. I am a electronics tech by trade. - Bill

----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric and Rheva Lewis" To: DSN_klr650@egroups.com>; "Mark Wilson" Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 2:39 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Starter Relay > Mark, > No, this one plugs directly in to the starter relay, it's square and > only fits one way, but I'll try look at it in the morning to see if the > other one would work. Thanks for the quick reply! > Eric > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Wilson" > To: DSN_klr650@egroups.com>; "Eric Lewis" > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Starter Relay > > > > Hi Eric, > > I'm not sure what connector your talking about right off hand, but I do > know > > the 2 wire plug that goes to the fuses, is the same connector that goes to > > the sidestand safety switch, > > I used the side stand safety switch plug for my fuse box modification. > > If that is the one you need, maybe somebody has an old sidestand safety > > switch plug that can be salvaged. > > Just a thought. > > > > MotorMark > > http://www.geocities.com/motormark64/ > > http://www.angelfire.com/mo/motormark/ > > KLR-650 A-13 "warthogg" > > XR250R "superfly" > > Stone Mountain, Ga > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Eric Lewis > > To: DSN_klr650@egroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:07 AM > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Starter Relay > > > > > > > Howzit listers, > > > Well here's another one for ya. The two-wire plug that goes to the > > > starter relay is being a little fart. I cant tell if it is a loose > > > connection in the plug, or there is a break in the wire somewhere. I > > > just finished rewiring the brown wire that connects the starter > > > button and kill switch unit and it worked nicely. And now this! The > > > guy who owned the bike before me really didn't know what he was > > > doing, why he did all this splicing is beyond me. Anyway, is there a > > > place to get a new connector like this one? Can't find the part #. > > > I have read the post about bypassing the starter circuit relay and am > > > considering this but I still ahve this loose connection on the > > > starter relay. TIA. > > > Aloha, Eric > > > A8 > > > GL 1200 > > > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > >

[daveygwhiz]

If my relay is bad, does that account for everything else not working? Lights, signals, instrument lights are not working either? I can bump start the bike then everything lights up just fine. I tested the relay with an ohm meter (without battery connected) and get an open circuit across the coil and about 4 ohms across the switched terminals. Dave

[RobertWichert]

Well, I'm no electrician, but I would have expected an open circuit across the secondary contacts, that is, the contacts that are connected to make the starter go 'round. Four ohms through the relay coil sounds plausible. Are you sure about which is which? Again: Me no electrician. And I cannot imagine why a bad relay would result in nothing working until you started it, unless there was a master relay that cut everything off until the alternator was up to voltage or there was oil pressure, or something like that. And the starter relay isn't one of those, as far as I know. What is your battery voltage when the bike is not running? I'd start there. And then see if it drops or what happens when you push the starter switch. I'd be thinking "battery" not "relay". Good luck! Words of experience: "It's always a ground connection". Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 6/28/2012 11:40 AM, daveygwhiz wrote: > > If my relay is bad, does that account for everything else not working? > Lights, signals, instrument lights are not working either? I can bump > start the bike then everything lights up just fine. I tested the relay > with an ohm meter (without battery connected) and get an open circuit > across the coil and about 4 ohms across the switched terminals. > > Dave > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[daveygwhiz]

I can understand why you might think I had the terminal specs mixed up, but no, the coil was open and the small switch terminals was 4 ohms while completely removed from the bike.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, RobertWichert wrote: > > Well, I'm no electrician, but I would have expected an open circuit > across the secondary contacts, that is, the contacts that are connected > to make the starter go 'round. Four ohms through the relay coil sounds > plausible. Are you sure about which is which? > > Again: Me no electrician. > > And I cannot imagine why a bad relay would result in nothing working > until you started it, unless there was a master relay that cut > everything off until the alternator was up to voltage or there was oil > pressure, or something like that. And the starter relay isn't one of > those, as far as I know. > > What is your battery voltage when the bike is not running? I'd start > there. And then see if it drops or what happens when you push the > starter switch. > > I'd be thinking "battery" not "relay". > > > Good luck! > > Words of experience: "It's always a ground connection". > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > > > =============================================== > > On 6/28/2012 11:40 AM, daveygwhiz wrote: > > > > If my relay is bad, does that account for everything else not working? > > Lights, signals, instrument lights are not working either? I can bump > > start the bike then everything lights up just fine. I tested the relay > > with an ohm meter (without battery connected) and get an open circuit > > across the coil and about 4 ohms across the switched terminals. > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Jeff Saline]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:40:11 -0000 "daveygwhiz" writes:

> If my relay is bad, does that account for everything else not > working? Lights, signals, instrument lights are not working either? > I can bump start the bike then everything lights up just fine. I > tested the relay with an ohm meter (without battery connected) and > get an open circuit across the coil and about 4 ohms across the > switched terminals. > > Dave

<><><><><> <><><><><> What year is the bike? Maybe the charging system is backfeeding and you've got a bad wire or connection. A voltage drop test might be more helpful than an ohm reading. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2

[daveygwhiz]

The bike is a 2002 with 21,000 smiles. When the relay is in place and wired the voltage across the battery terminals drops to 10.5 volts. Not sure if that's what you mean by voltage drop test Jeff. Dave

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:40:11 -0000 "daveygwhiz" > writes: > > If my relay is bad, does that account for everything else not > > working? Lights, signals, instrument lights are not working either? > > I can bump start the bike then everything lights up just fine. I > > tested the relay with an ohm meter (without battery connected) and > > get an open circuit across the coil and about 4 ohms across the > > switched terminals. > > > > Dave > <><><><><> > <><><><><> > > What year is the bike? > > Maybe the charging system is backfeeding and you've got a bad wire or > connection. > > A voltage drop test might be more helpful than an ohm reading. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 > > . > . > > ____________________________________________________________ > Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. > http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2 >

[Jeff Saline]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 03:12:15 -0000 "daveygwhiz" writes:

> The bike is a 2002 with 21,000 smiles. > When the relay is in place and wired the voltage across the battery > terminals drops to 10.5 volts. Not sure if that's what you mean by > voltage drop test Jeff. > > Dave

<><><><><> <><><><><> Dave, That is helpful information. That's not what I mean by a voltage drop test. : ) What is the battery voltage when it's not connected to the electrical system? If you leave the battery positive cable off the starter relay (tape the end or protect it so it doesn't short) what happens when you turn the key on? What happens when the key is on and the starter button is depressed? Does the starter relay click? What is the condition of the 20 amp main fuse and the white wire from the battery positive terminal? Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fed20fdfed720fc125cst54vuc